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Malcar Morab
01-07-2003, 01:27 PM
I am curious to wonder how many of you view science as the only way to find answers to both absolute truth and life?

Then, how relevant are other types of study, say theology and math to the study of truth?

How much bearing does theology have with science? Do you view it as just as credible in the search for answers?

Govtcheez
01-07-2003, 01:29 PM
/me isn't touching this with a 10-foot-pole.

FillYourBrain
01-07-2003, 01:30 PM
I move for the deletion of this thread. No doubt it will be another annoying argument from the dopes who can't keep their mouths shut. If you really want to know what people here think about that, you can most certainly search and find stuff. I hate this topic.

PJYelton
01-07-2003, 01:36 PM
Unfortunately I'd have to agree. Physically impossible to have a civilized discussion about theology vs science in a place like this. If you want to know more, just read the 800 pages or so of the God thread that ended a couple of weeks ago.

adrianxw
01-07-2003, 01:37 PM
I don't think it is valid to seperate Science and Mathematics, they are integrated into a whole.

As for the other thing, no comment.

This thread will deteriorate rapidly and be deleted, just watch.

Govtcheez
01-07-2003, 01:39 PM
> don't think it is valid to seperate Science and Mathematics, they are integrated into a whole.

I agree.

I believe that through a more thorough understanding of science, we'll eventually get to the truth. If you believe that's God, then that's cool for you. It's just not what I think.

ober
01-07-2003, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Govtcheez
I agree.

I believe that through a more thorough understanding of science, we'll eventually get to the truth. If you believe that's God, then that's cool for you. It's just not what I think.

Where'd you get that 11 foot pole? :D

RoD
01-07-2003, 03:37 PM
>>where'd u get the 11 foot pole

i sold it to him for the avatar!

salvelinus
01-07-2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by ober5861
Where'd you get that 11 foot pole? :D
I was born with it. Only 6 feet then, but I've grown.

I thought this thread was about the Mackinac Bridge. You mention the "Bridge" here, that's what you mean. :p

Malcar Morab
01-07-2003, 04:12 PM
I'm sorry if a few people are offended by what seems to be repetitive arguments revolving around science and God. I find some of the people here to be very logical, knowlegable people with interesting insites to things.

However, people who are labled this don't bother responding to threads like "ever met a hot girl programmer" or other shallow, brainless( I still understand the humor involved, yet the threads can get so foolish) threads of the like. I have noticed, however, that these people post more on threads partaining to things more intelectually based.

Respond to this or not, maybe this thread will wither and die, I was just curious as to how many people agreed, or disagreed. I like to study psychology, the way people reacte to questions and the way they can present an argument, may show the direction with which our society is going.

"I thought this thread was about the Mackinac Bridge. You mention the "Bridge" here, that's what you mean."

I am almost done reading a book by a man named William Dembski that presents interesting thoughts on how Theology and science are much alike, yet our culture now relys almost totally on science to find answers, while forgetting that theology is also needed. He has Ph.D's in mathematics and philosophy. With degrees in theology and psychology. (how many years it took him to get through school, I do not know! From the picture on the back he doesn't look much older than 30) His book is called "Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science and Theology" so, that's where I got the title of this thread. :)

SilentStrike
01-07-2003, 04:37 PM
There have been 10 posts on this thread, and there has still be no mindless flaming. I am quite disappointed :).

Unregd
01-07-2003, 05:04 PM
I think I'll do the unconscienceable and dive into discussing the subject itself! First, my opinion is that theology is a science (Latin, knowledge) but not a modern (objective) science along the lines of physics, chemistry, biology, geology, etc. As a nonreligious atheist, I disagree with the statement that society needs both science and theology to find answers (i.e., develop meaning) to life and the universe. Science is a description; alone, it does not build meaning to life. Philosophies and religions--some more based on science, others less--attempt to fill this role.

At a certain point in all religions and philosophies guiding how one should live one's life, questions are raised that have little scientific relevancy, although science can still be dragged back in: For example, what is a moral life? I can look to biology and the social sciences of history, sociology, and anthropology; but even they cannot provide definitive answers. Because of this, I have been stuck with the task of developing my own moral outlook without the "easy answer" of divine commandments. Old wisdom, found in religious texts, may still have validity; and I cannot attack someone for coming to their own conclusions based on that.

With my experience growing and my mind continuing to sharpen, my opinions on morality have changed and taken depth; yet they are still changing. I do not have the perfect solution to living a good life, but that does not mean I will end the exploration!

salvelinus
01-07-2003, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Malcar Morab


"I thought this thread was about the Mackinac Bridge. You mention the "Bridge" here, that's what you mean."

I am almost done reading a book by a man named William Dembski that presents interesting thoughts on how Theology and science are much alike, yet our culture now relys almost totally on science to find answers, while forgetting that theology is also needed. His book is called "Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science and Theology" so, that's where I got the title of this thread. :)
Yes, although don't know that specific book, I did get the idea. Just my lame attempt at humor that probably doesn't translate beyond Michigan.
Here's (http://dialogos3.tripod.com/) a site a friend of mine has that is somewhat in this line. He's a hermit priest. He and a physicist wrote a book about the intersection of theology and science, but their publisher recently fell through.
Good luck with the thread if you can keep the loonies out.

compjinx
01-08-2003, 01:09 AM
"I think I'll do the unconscienceable and dive into discussing the subject itself! First, my opinion is that theology is a science (Latin, knowledge) but not a modern (objective) science along the lines of physics, chemistry, biology, geology, etc. As a nonreligious atheist, I disagree with the statement that society needs both science and theology to find answers (i.e., develop meaning) to life and the universe. Science is a description; alone, it does not build meaning to life. Philosophies and religions--some more based on science, others less--attempt to fill this role."

I do not see how our society could exsist on just using science as a guied in our quest for answers. For example, you can look at a bug sitting in a jar and you know that that bug has no clue as to anything outside the jar, he may see it, he may smell it, feel it, whatever, but all that bug is conserned with is food and shelter. Now, you can't look at any animal and base the same intelligence on humans. We feel love, we think, we find answers to things, where as the bug just wants food. If a person studies science, they cannot get away from the fact that theology needs to also be aplied.

I agree that science does not build meaning to life, of what that meaning may be (our happiness maybe? To know all?) other studies must also be taken into consideration.



"At a certain point in all religions and philosophies guiding how one should live one's life, questions are raised that have little scientific relevancy, although science can still be dragged back in: For example, what is a moral life? I can look to biology and the social sciences of history, sociology, and anthropology; but even they cannot provide definitive answers. Because of this, I have been stuck with the task of developing my own moral outlook without the "easy answer" of divine commandments. Old wisdom, found in religious texts, may still have validity; and I cannot attack someone for coming to their own conclusions based on that."

I am curious, and please answer, and is your own moral outlook based entirely on science, psychology, and anthropology?

"With my experience growing and my mind continuing to sharpen, my opinions on morality have changed and taken depth; yet they are still changing. I do not have the perfect solution to living a good life, but that does not mean I will end the exploration!"

Good, I like to see people who don't give up on the quest for truth, I know people who have found truth so I know it is there.

rick barclay
01-08-2003, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by Govtcheez
/me isn't touching this with a 10-foot-pole.


Better get a longer pole, cheez.