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sentienttoaster
12-04-2002, 08:33 PM
Exactly how hard would it be to create an alternite internet, and how long would it take?

Cgawd
12-04-2002, 08:34 PM
whats wrong with the one we have now? if it tis not borkededed aint gonna fix tit

ygfperson
12-04-2002, 08:36 PM
every time you create a LAN you're doing that. i guess you would have to connect up as many LAN's as you can, upgrading systems along the way. but as cgawd said, if it isn't broken, why fix it?

sentienttoaster
12-04-2002, 08:37 PM
there isn't exactly anything wrong with it now, but in a few years, it will be so cluttered, it may jsut be easier to create an alternite internet, possible even an enhanced internet!

Cgawd
12-04-2002, 08:40 PM
it will be so cluttered
how will it be cluttered!:rolleyes:

possible even an enhanced internet
new technologies come out everyday

sentienttoaster
12-04-2002, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Cgawd
how will it be cluttered!:rolleyes:

well think about it. Already most of the domain names out there are being used up. We have to keep creating new domain extensions (I know thats not the name but I can't think of it right now... .com, .usa...). plus for 56k users like me, every few months our connection gets slower from all the net congestion caused by so many people using the internet.

Cgawd
12-04-2002, 08:52 PM
a) the name problem- new methods of creating names to direct to servers are coming out, like IPV.6 is it? i dunno, something weird like [..a] or something, but anyways, thats not a problem

b)56k is almost practicly not technicly but in my eyes obsolete, its slow a) so many people on it(ur right there) b)websites are creating interactive media and php and database access and what not, as new technologies like the ones i just mentioned, new technology needs to take over to handle it, like broadband connection. a new internet doesnt need to be created because youre still using 56k, you just need to upgrade to broadband.

Sentaku senshi
12-04-2002, 08:59 PM
well think about it. Already most of the domain names out there are being used up. We have to keep creating new domain extensions (I know thats not the name but I can't think of it right now... .com, .usa...). plus for 56k users like me, every few months our connection gets slower from all the net congestion caused by so many people using the internet.


A new internet would not solve the problem with 56k users slowing down, as that is the result of the limed bandwith of a phone line and goverment regulations. You would still need the phone line to connect to an ISP witch connects to the internet structure. As for conguestion the problem is not domain names it's the limit of how many ipv4 can support witch is resolved by IPv6 (http://www.ipv6.org/)

dP munky
12-04-2002, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by sentienttoaster
Exactly how hard would it be to create an alternite internet, and how long would it take?

go to google and search for a map of the internet....then ask that question again!!!

novacain
12-05-2002, 02:53 AM
>>a new internet doesnt need to be created because youre still using 56k, you just need to upgrade to broadband.

this assumes that broadband is available to you.

I live in a remote area of Australia (according to our Minister for Telecommunications Richard Alston may he be sentenced to download images of trains from the outback at less than 56K for the rest of his natural or at least a few Saturday evenings).

That is I own a home within 8Kms of the Central Business District of one of Australias' capital cities.

face_master
12-05-2002, 03:54 AM
Why do you live in the outback with such a crappy connection? That would drive me to the nearest town with broadband

*ClownPimp*
12-05-2002, 08:03 AM
>Exactly how hard would it be to create an alternite internet
not as hard as you may think... considering one is already being created (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=internet2)

okay, maybe not. I could have sworn I remembered reading a year or so ago that Internet2 was an actual physical network outside of the internet with the purpose of avoiding the mishaps currently affecting the current internet. Oh well

mithrandir
12-05-2002, 08:13 AM
>> okay, maybe not. I could have sworn I remembered reading a year or so ago that Internet2 was an actual physical network outside of the internet with the purpose of avoiding the mishaps currently affecting the current internet. Oh well<<

It went live in Feb. 1999 on the Abilene fibre optic network, though it remains part of the Internet iteself.



Is Internet2 a separate network? Will Internet2 replace the current commercial Internet?

Internet2 is not a separate physical network and will not replace the Internet. Internet2 brings together institutions and resources from academia, industry and government to develop new technologies and capabilities that can then be deployed in the global Internet. Close collaboration with Internet2 corporate members will ensure that new applications and technologies are rapidly deployed throughout the Internet. Just as email and the World Wide Web are legacies of earlier investments in academic and federal research networks, the legacy of Internet2 will be to expand the possibilities of the broader Internet.

source: http://www.internet2.edu/about/faq.html

TechWins
12-05-2002, 04:31 PM
Sorry if this has been mentioned in the past few posts, but how would you create another Internet? Wouldn't you have to double up on all the connection lines? No offense but that's not one of the brighter things that I've heard.

mithrandir
12-05-2002, 05:34 PM
Well the Internet is run by a set of standardised protocols (TCP/IP, PPP, SLIP, POP etc.). Theoretically, you could create a new Internet, with different protocols, running on the same cabling as the Internet currently is. Otherwise different cabling would need to be put down, but this seems hardly practical to do. (Here in Brisbane they are testing wireless Internet, so that you can use it from your own home. The future of hard line connections is looking doomed). Either way, for it to remain separate from the Internet, I would say a change in protocols would be necessary. How long would this take? I should imagine several years.

Just on another point, I think many people donít understand is that the Internet and the WWW is not the same thing. The WWW is the software component Ė HTML, HTTP, and CGI. We could create a new and improved WWW, but honestly, what would be the point at this stage?

>>this assumes that broadband is available to you.

I live in a remote area of Australia (according to our Minister for Telecommunications Richard Alston may he be sentenced to download images of trains from the outback at less than 56K for the rest of his natural or at least a few Saturday evenings).

That is I own a home within 8Kms of the Central Business District of one of Australias' capital cities.<<

That's disgusting. I live about 30km from the CBD, and I can get broadband. The government hasn't got a ****ing clue - look how long it took Telstra to get its act together and establish broadband connections. I never thought they would, but now the subscription costs are quite high, and the service is limited.

novacain
12-05-2002, 10:19 PM
Sorry to be too subtle for you face_master. I was being sarcastic.

Our outlying station in the outback has access to ISDN, ASDL and gets a discount on install (if not free satallite dish). It is 20Km from the nearest person. Its closest neigbour is a salt mine. I used to sit and wait for trains and watch them build huge salt pyramids.


I live 8Kms from a CBD in a capital city. I can't get better than 56K. Telstra has said "It will be a long time if ever that your house will get broadband".


>>The government hasn't got a ****ing clue - look how long it took Telstra to get its act together and establish broadband connections.<<

I now read Telstra have invoked a 1649 law to protect their anti compeditive behaviour. (Where does Australia get a law created before we were settled?)

They have used govt money to give free satallite dishes to compainies and residences (that will sign-up for thier services) in remote areas where there other compaines were trying to establish themselves.
That is they have compeated unfairly and then invoked a law saying the government consumer protection agencies can't take action against other government agencies.