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11-23-2002, 05:43 PM
At the beginning of anything i decide to do, i have a lot of energy and enthusiasm, like when i come up with a new game that i want to program, for example.

the first few days are spent almost entirely on the project that i have set for myself. i cant even imagine wanting to do anything except that particular project.

then, as suddenly as it came to me, my energy disappears. i begin putting off working on my project and eventually have a hard time getting back to it. this happens with everything i do. i wanted to be a writer at one time, and managed to write a few short stories. i began a novel and got about 30-40 pages into it and lost all interest.

i guess what im getting at is, does anyone here suffer from this problem? and if so, do you know of any way to cope with it? I have heard that it has to do with my personality type (INTP (http://www.typelogic.com/intp.html) for those familiar with meyers-briggs personality types). its frankly ruining my life and keeping me from doing anything worthwhile...[

Hammer
11-23-2002, 06:55 PM
Yeah, I have similar troubles. I start coding something I think will be great, get 95% of it done, and never actually implement it. This is in my personal coding, in my job, I have to complete it....

Ways round this..? Don't bite off more than you can chew I suppose. Do a few smaller projects that are easy to complete and build up a thirst for actually finishing things. Hey, I don't know really, I'm almost as stuck as you :D

Oh yer, meyers-briggs, I'm an INTJ (http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html), IIRC. It was a few years ago I did it, but I think thats what I am.

Magos
11-23-2002, 07:11 PM
Happens to me too. I have millions of unfinished projects, which all seemed really great and fun when I started but at some point I lost all interest in continuing with it...

...
11-23-2002, 07:14 PM
i just realized after reading that webpage that i have the same personality type as mary kate and ashley olsen :-\

Terrance
11-23-2002, 07:39 PM
It's called not having inspiration to finish a product ;)

I was talking to a guy that was writing a completely secure instant messaging system, that him and his friend were working on. They spent a long time on it, just to give up and quit.

He said, (not his exact words, but...)"If I was getting paid to do this, I would've finished it!"

Maybe that's the problem...? I guess Hammer's words summed it up...

Or I should say, you're not the only with this problem!

Anyways, if you have a lot of unfinished code, try putting it on the net in the public domain. Others might have some use for it :)

face_master
11-23-2002, 09:26 PM
I get bored after I have a problem in the code I cant fix. Some ideas (like my windows program that imitates the command line or my program that responded to user input like a conversation) just got boring after they were finished, so I never expanded them to make them better.

Stoned_Coder
11-23-2002, 09:37 PM
As an INTJ person myself I find I dont have this trouble. I have more the problem where I code too much and when I should be spending time with wife I'm actually coding.

Shadow12345
11-23-2002, 10:50 PM
Dude, we all have those problems, YOU AREN'T ALONE!!! Just remember that you don't absolutely HAVE to be interested ALL of the time.

I wish you had told us more about your problem, i.e do you feel like you HAVE to be interested all the time, that if you aren't highly motivated that you aren't a good programmer or something? Or are you feeling overwhelmed, that maybe you have some cool ideas you would like to implement, but you feel overwhelmed because the ideas are too much to take on at once?

I want to help you because I used to feel the exact same way. I don't think there is any easy cure because ultimately you are the one who has to end up doing the work. With that said and done I think we can give you tips that could change your thinking about programming and maybe make you more motivated.

Sebastiani
11-24-2002, 03:08 AM
Energy is very important. The best way to conserve it i think is to keep expectations reasonably low. I do have a lot of unfinished projects, but mainly because I cannot help it. I'm addicted! That's my problem!

Anyway, I'm lucky to have been raised by such an energetic father. We had a machine shop that cranked out all sorts of parts and the like and let me tell you, that man was happy working all day! He always had time for you, but only so long as he could do so while inspecting a valve or something!

On the other hand, sometimes I just feel exausted because I won't rest my mind in bed, and won't stop thinking about work even when I'm having dinner! I always seem to tell myself that "One Of These Days(tm)" I'm going to spend a good year or so just living life! :rolleyes:

Shadow
11-24-2002, 03:17 AM
> Happens to me too.
Count me in too.

Although, it seems to only be with code that's redundant. Smaller programming projects that feature a wide-vareity of functions that aren't a mile long are far more interesting. I think it's the interesting, and fun part that keeps you in the game. The miles of tedious, and long code are what burns you out.

It only happens to me with coding because often enough it's a long process that's tiring.

I've done alot of other time consuming non-programming projects, but they were all several steps of different things. Most of those were completed.

Redundancy is a compete turn off to the gifted, smart, and knowledge seeker. I think you might just be the type of person who wants to be challenged and keep learning new skills.

face_master
11-24-2002, 04:43 AM
Originally posted by Sebastiani
Energy is very important. The best way to conserve it i think is to keep expectations reasonably low. I do have a lot of unfinished projects, but mainly because I cannot help it. I'm addicted! That's my problem!

Anyway, I'm lucky to have been raised by such an energetic father. We had a machine shop that cranked out all sorts of parts and the like and let me tell you, that man was happy working all day! He always had time for you, but only so long as he could do so while inspecting a valve or something!

On the other hand, sometimes I just feel exausted because I won't rest my mind in bed, and won't stop thinking about work even when I'm having dinner! I always seem to tell myself that "One Of These Days(tm)" I'm going to spend a good year or so just living life! :rolleyes: Wait, didn't you say your parents were hippies or somethin?

Wanna get high?

Sebastiani
11-24-2002, 04:50 AM
Not all hippies were lazy, yknow. ;) The main thing that annoyed me about that was their goofy views, permissiveness, and yes, drug culture. But they are good people, and quite productive.

face_master
11-24-2002, 05:05 AM
Wanna get high?

jessie23
11-25-2002, 09:26 AM
i kind of have the same problem as well especially when im sitting at school wishing i could just go home and play starcraft for a couple hours. star craft sure is fun. but getting back to your problem i sometimes that trouble, and ive done the writing thing too. i have several unfinished things at home. i just get started and then suddendly quit wor.............

deathstryke
11-25-2002, 09:32 AM
I seem to also have this problem. Lately I've been starting on second, third, eightieth... times through various rpgs and after about ten hours in, I just lose all interest. (Note that ten hour or less games cause this sooner).

After looking at the personality type link, I'd have to say that intp sounds a hell of a lot like me.

Shadow12345
11-25-2002, 08:18 PM
I am totally ENTP


ENTPs are usually verbally as well as cerebrally quick, and generally love to argue--both for its own sake, and to show off their often-impressive skills. They tend to have a perverse sense of humor as well, and enjoy playing devil's advocate. They sometimes confuse, even inadvertently hurt, those who don't understand or accept the concept of argument as a sport.


I pick on my friends ALL the time, seriously. They get ........ed at me constantly. I'm entp all the way baby

mithrandir
11-25-2002, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by ...
At the beginning of anything i decide to do, i have a lot of energy and enthusiasm, like when i come up with a new game that i want to program, for example.

the first few days are spent almost entirely on the project that i have set for myself. i cant even imagine wanting to do anything except that particular project.

then, as suddenly as it came to me, my energy disappears. i begin putting off working on my project and eventually have a hard time getting back to it. this happens with everything i do. i wanted to be a writer at one time, and managed to write a few short stories. i began a novel and got about 30-40 pages into it and lost all interest.

i guess what im getting at is, does anyone here suffer from this problem? and if so, do you know of any way to cope with it? I have heard that it has to do with my personality type (INTP (http://www.typelogic.com/intp.html) for those familiar with meyers-briggs personality types). its frankly ruining my life and keeping me from doing anything worthwhile...[

Well its normal to lose interest in things over time. I myself have had many projects go nowhere - sometimes it is due to poor planning, other times its due to other more pressing duties, sometimes I genuinely tire of what it is I'm doing. I wouldn't consider this an area of concern, unless you are not doing this with everything in your life (or in the major areas, such as study, relationships, work). The Road Less Travelled M. Scott Peck is a very good read and has some interesting insights into the issue of discipline (there is a chapter on why we procrastinate). Often the reason for it is the last that you would ever suspect.

BTW I believe personality types are a myth (i.e. - that our personalities are dynamic and change with our environment). I could fit myself into several of the Myers Briggs categories.

...
11-26-2002, 08:21 AM
well i have solved my problem. or, not solved it, but pinpointed it.

after doing some research and a few discussions i have learned that i have ADD. my parents had me diagnosed when i was younger but decided not to put me on any medication thinking i would outgrow and/or learn to control it. we have never discussed it since then until recently.

i never suspected this partly because of my own personal confusion over the definition of ADD. i always thought it meant the person doesnt feel like he gets enough attention and does things to attract it, but it really means the person does not have enough attention to give to the things he does (i.e. short attention span).

it at least makes me feel better to know what it is causing all of this. i still dont know what to do about it though... :rolleyes:

Prelude
11-26-2002, 09:09 AM
That's the problem with those personality pages, I always find three or four that match me almost exactly. It appears that I'm ENTP (http://www.typelogic.com/entp.html), INTP (http://www.typelogic.com/intp.html), and ISTP (http://www.typelogic.com/istp.html). :rolleyes:
An interesting read though.

-Prelude

Shadow
11-26-2002, 10:49 AM
http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html
http://www.typelogic.com/enfj.html

Those are me, I would assume.
That's a very interesting read though..very engrossing.

Hillbillie
11-26-2002, 04:53 PM
>At the beginning of anything i decide to do, i have a lot of energy and enthusiasm, like when i come up with a new game that i want to program, for example.
[snip]<

I have that all of the time too, and I hate it. Anyway, it's one of the several traits of ADHD. I'm not saying you have it, but you might want to look into ADHD. You could live happier if it turns out that you do indeed have it, then seek treatment.

Hammer
11-26-2002, 05:13 PM
Well, like I said in my earlier post, I took my original test a few years ago, and it gave me an INTJ.

I just took this test (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp), and I'm still an INTJ, which suprised me a bit 'cos I thought I'd changed over time. Guess not.... :)

Why don't you lot who are guessing your personalities give the test a go and see it's it comes out correct too. There's more test sites give at the bottom of this page (http://www.typelogic.com/faq.html).

mithrandir
11-26-2002, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by ...
well i have solved my problem. or, not solved it, but pinpointed it.

after doing some research and a few discussions i have learned that i have ADD. my parents had me diagnosed when i was younger but decided not to put me on any medication thinking i would outgrow and/or learn to control it. we have never discussed it since then until recently.

i never suspected this partly because of my own personal confusion over the definition of ADD. i always thought it meant the person doesnt feel like he gets enough attention and does things to attract it, but it really means the person does not have enough attention to give to the things he does (i.e. short attention span).

it at least makes me feel better to know what it is causing all of this. i still dont know what to do about it though... :rolleyes:

Well a lot of people are misdiagnosed as ADD or ADHD. I would recommend seeing a couple of doctor's to confirm this. Not that I doubt your parents, but it's always best to make sure of such things. As you said "I still don't know what to do about it" - speak to a couple of doctors and find out.

Good luck!

Sebastiani
11-26-2002, 06:32 PM
Interesting, it pegged me as an INFP, and the description was not far off....:D

wimpy poster
11-26-2002, 10:57 PM
as to me, just do it in "segments"

create a "to do" list and go back to it once in a while.

when you are in stress at times, go meditate or do some yoga or go out there and shoot some hoops.
release that anger.

then go back and do another percent of the work.

if successful, better ideas hop into mind and then I have the urge to start the program all over with new ideas thus improving my programs (I soon want to patent some of these ideas).
most of these programs of mine tend to be very customizable (I always have changes in interests and tastes so it suits me well.)

*goes back into his dark little corner of the room*

Hillbillie
11-26-2002, 11:15 PM
>after doing some research and a few discussions i have learned that i have ADD.<

Hmm...I didn't even see that post! Well, it looks like I could have been right?

Stealth is right, however. You should get a second opinion.

But I can tell you from experience that prescription medication can help tremendously. Not only does one of my friends have ADHD and takes Adderall for it, I do also. You should study all of the treatments, available, though. You might find one that better suits you. If you'd like to PM me and discuss all of this, I'd be happy to answer any questions and give you resources for learning more about the disorder.