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Cheeze-It
10-09-2002, 10:02 AM
So, that whole Maryland Sniper issue is real creepy, aint it?
http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20021009/D7MI42S83.html

You know, if I lived in Maryland, I would probably be afraid to
go outside. The sniper's a nut; he's picking his targets at random...
Killed a lady reading a book on a bench, killed someone who was
mowing their lawn, killed someone vacuuming out their van.

I doubt this guy will get caught soon.

Jeez, is this going to be a yearly occurance from now on? It was
only a year ago that people were getting murdered by anthrax;
now a sniper.

::Packs up. Moves to Kuwait -- where it's safe::

dbaryl
10-09-2002, 10:11 AM
Well, the shooter has achieved what he/she wanted: put fear into people's lives. I'm not saying I wouldn't be afraid either.

kermi3
10-09-2002, 10:12 AM
I bet he'll get caught sooner than you think. He's thriving on the attention and the feeling of power. The "I am God" note was an indicator of this. To me the note says that he now wants people to recognize his power etc. as the coverage gets bigger and bigger he'll leave more and more notes etc like this. There will probably be at least one or 2 more killings unfortunatly, but I think he'll start makin mistakes in his drive to be recognized...

Oh and I'd be afraid to...though i don't think I'd let it effect my every day life to much, atleast to protect myself, not my style.

Brian
10-09-2002, 10:37 AM
It's not guns that kill people.
It's scopes, those goddamn telescopic scopes! Ban them!

RoD
10-09-2002, 11:43 AM
It's not guns that kill people.

Your right, people do. As we carry on day to day, there are people who thrive on trying to disturb our norm. As this guy has demonstrated, some people let this happen. The way i see it, the norm is what you make it. You can die at any moment, of anything, why limit your life in fear of a threat that has always been there, always existed, just never been exposed?

New fears and turn outs will expose themselves as time goes on, fear is natural. When we, as a nation, lose the ability to be shocked, scared, and amazed, will we not have ceased to live? Are these not factors that keep life , well life? Are we to become a nation who needs no censor because we fear everything or nothing at all??

There will always be a weaker who feels the need to shake things up. We should not fear the newly exposed, but adjust as a nation so that we may effectivly carry on and carry out justice.

IMO that is.

Brian
10-09-2002, 12:12 PM
People are made to kill or be killed. Giving a person the means to kill is just asking for trouble. Ban guns.

glowstick
10-09-2002, 12:25 PM
the "i am god" thing makes me think he is an unreal tournament sniper, or at least started his skills there.

endo
10-09-2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by glowstick
the "i am god" thing makes me think he is an unreal tournament sniper, or at least started his skills there.

Dont let the press hear you say that!!

Mind you video games are bound to be blamed for something soon anyway, its been a while since they were blamed for the current state of society.

BMJ
10-09-2002, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Brian
People are made to kill or be killed. Giving a person the means to kill is just asking for trouble. Ban guns. ... and knives, anything exlposive, anything poisonous, anything that weighs more than 5lbs, etc... I think you see my point.

This guy is probably thrilled that he's got this 'sniper' image, as they portray on the news. I say they stop calling him a sniper and call him what he really is; a serial killer.

Eibro
10-09-2002, 01:09 PM
Luckily, way up here in Canada, most can't tell the difference between a gun and their telephone.

BMJ
10-09-2002, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Eibro
Luckily, way up here in Canada, most can't tell the difference between a gun and their telephone. ROTFL :) :D

endo
10-09-2002, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by BMJ
I say they stop calling him a sniper and call him what he really is; a serial killer.


Good point, but I doubt the authorities will take it any more seriously. I bet its the top priority for all law enforcement agencies in the US at the moment!

glowstick
10-09-2002, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by endo
Dont let the press hear you say that!!

Mind you video games are bound to be blamed for something soon anyway, its been a while since they were blamed for the current state of society.

ahh they are gonna blame video gizames anyway.
it would be funny if the sniper's next message said "gg "
under my humor, however, i do give my sympathy for those effected by the sonof..........***.

Fountain
10-09-2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by BMJ
... and knives, anything exlposive, anything poisonous, anything that weighs more than 5lbs, etc... I think you see my point.

This guy is probably thrilled that he's got this 'sniper' image, as they portray on the news. I say they stop calling him a sniper and call him what he really is; a serial killer.


People have always had the means to kill. In fact in days gone by your own survival depended upon it.

You can kill just as easy with no weapons , but you cant 'ban' hands/feet can you.

And IMO calling him a serial killer may make him worse-say it like he is, call him a 'nutter' on TV. That may do the job.

minesweeper
10-09-2002, 04:49 PM
A 'sniper' is someone who kills people in cold blood

A 'serial killer' is someone who kills people, usually in cold blood

Amazing, how to some, one can seem so much more 'glamorous' than the other.

I'm no psycologist and know nothing about the reasons why. But I would be interested to find out.

Shadow12345
10-09-2002, 06:26 PM
who cares who this guy is, he's harming others, he needs to be stopped.

Nick
10-09-2002, 06:27 PM
I live in maryland, what really scared us was when the
13 year old got shot.

BMJ
10-09-2002, 06:28 PM
snip·er
n.
One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

serial killer
n.
A person who attacks and kills victims one by one in a series of incidents.

minesweeper
10-09-2002, 06:48 PM
Hey mate I didn't use a dictionary.

Surely it is acceptable to assume that both a sniper and a serial killer are both intent on killing people whom they have never really known.

I just wonder why labelling a rifleman a 'sniper' makes him feel more empowered than a man who stabs people and would consequently be recognised as a serial killer.

Nick
10-09-2002, 06:58 PM
A sniper has skill. Usually when you say
sniper you don't mean a serial killer but a
FBI snipper or military sniper.

xds4lx
10-09-2002, 07:20 PM
This person makes me sick. My little sister goes to school in DC and every day my family worries about her. And how in the hell could you shoot an innocent 10 year old kid?????? The world we live in is a very sick place. I hope that when they find him that they dont arrest him but instead just execution him on the spot and show no mercy towards him.

vasanth
10-09-2002, 11:50 PM
Inu'r country guns are legal and these are some of the problems you have to face.. here in india you need to get a liscence and which is usually very tuff to get.. You are not sold a gun untill u get one and you can own only one gun and a gun say a shot gun or a rifel and stuff and not hitech stuffs.... Here every person who has a gun has a amo quota.. say 50 catrdges per year per gun... And each catridge has its number noted and connectd to the owner of the weapon so the shot will reveal to whom the catridge belonged and so on..


in your country buyin a gun seems like buyin a book from a store.. Strange......

kermi3
10-10-2002, 06:49 AM
There's a very good chance the gun he is using isn't high tech at all. It could simply be a well made hunting rifle with a scope on it. Purchasable at wal-mart.

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 06:54 AM
vasanth, I never bought a gun but as I understand it there are permits and background checks that must be done before purchase. I don't believe its as simple as "buying a book". I will say this though... if a guy like this wanted a gun while in india, there are most likely illegal ways he could obtain one.

Brian
10-10-2002, 10:39 AM
Asshat. Obviously has aimhack.

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 12:04 PM
ok there have been multiple references to gaming. Can somebody elaborate on this? Is there really something obviously related to online gaming about "I am God"?

hk_mp5kpdw
10-10-2002, 12:44 PM
I've bought two handguns in my life. I traded in the first to buy my second. Here in Virginia, all you need to do is buy a gun, fill out a form, and show the guy behind the counter your Driver's License to prove you live where you said you did on the form. They will hold your gun at the store while the background check is made. After a period of four or five days you can return to the store and if your background check didn't reveal any problems, then you can take your gun home.

Zewu
10-10-2002, 01:04 PM
I believe this is much a result of the American conservative society. It leaves many people at the bottom of it's pyramid, who will rage. It's police is much for protecting the upper-class and the middle-class from this under-class rage, which will only cause more rage.

I believe it's not the right way.

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 01:12 PM
that makes sense Zewu :rolleyes:

capitalism has allowed the american "poor" to do better than some of the more wealthy in many other nations. The thing about unequal distribution is that there isn't a fixed amount of wealth that has to be divided up. The rising of the wealthy can coincide with the rising of the wealth of the poor. Increased production results in more "stuff" to go around. socialism prevents this type of production. That's what some people don't get. Wealth is not about how many dollar bills a nation has but how productive its people are. So you can't just evenly divide to be fair.

aside from that, economy has nothing to do with this thread

Zewu
10-10-2002, 01:15 PM
Conservatism hasn't got anything to do with economy. It's an ideology

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 01:15 PM
It leaves many people at the bottom of it's pyramid This is not a statement of economic status?

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 01:18 PM
conservatism is hardly about upper and lower class their chief. I'm afraid you misunderstand America.

Zewu
10-10-2002, 01:22 PM
Partly. I believe many who grow up in the under-class, which is also poorer economically than the upper classes, don't get a chance to build their lives and to rise. The richer often have support to education etc. by their parents, while the poorer don't. In the "ghetto", even the elementary schools are worse than in the "finer areas". That's why I don't believe in conservatism:

I don't believe in Conservatism, as I don't think it provides equal circumstanses to start with, although it allows people to build their lives.

Nor do I believe in Socialism, as I think that although it provides equal circumstanses to start with, it doesn't allow people to build their lives.

I believe in Liberalism, as I think it provides equal circumstanses to start with, and it does allow people to build their lives.

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 01:37 PM
I once heard a saying:

if you aren't liberal in college, you don't have a heart.
if you aren't conservative after 35, you don't have a brain.

so go on ranting about class warfare. The rest of us evil conservatives will go on improving our social/economic status.... for ourselves (the basis of conservatism).

again, politics has nothing to do with the murderer in Maryland

Zewu
10-10-2002, 01:41 PM
Indeed I think it has. Don't you think there are opposers to the current way of ruling, who might show their unhappines in ways like this?

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 01:42 PM
That would seem foolish as we are not ruled but rule ourselves.

you can't trip up a logical thinker with emotional babble.

Zewu
10-10-2002, 01:51 PM
You rule yourselves? Erm, I think you have quite strict laws over there, and you even have death-penalty.

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 01:53 PM
what you "think" doesn't matter, yes the death penalty exists and that is by our design, not some evil ruling class.

so yes, we rule ourselves

Zewu
10-10-2002, 01:58 PM
I have never called any class evil.

What you think does never matter, it matters if you express it. And please don't think that you are uniqe with that, since I have seen many Americans who believe that.

I do think it matters a bit in the USA. If this man would have written a book and gone out in media telling what he wants to do, and try to get people with him, I think your government would like to stop it.

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 02:01 PM
You're throwing out "I think"s all over the place. Congratulations, you don't like America. I believe you are not unique in that either. The world despises our success. They adopt a mindset of demanding that we redistribute our acquisitions. But we established that wealth on our own. Perhaps if you and the rest of the world would adopt some of our conser... well you know.

Zewu
10-10-2002, 02:06 PM
So you are saying that America has found the ideal ideology? I don't think so, because I think that every civilization would have attended that ideology, way before the USA were founded.

I don't have anything againt the USA. I don't have anything against conservatism, I just don't believe in it.

If there was such a thing as an ideal ideology, everyone would have it, so there can't be one.

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 02:07 PM
no, because not everyone is intelligent.

Zewu
10-10-2002, 02:10 PM
Are you implying that America is the nation of the intelligent? Erm, I don't think so, although there is a minority of intelligent people, I have seen many unintelligent Americans, and I am afraid I'll have to count you to one of them.

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 02:13 PM
that was inappropriate to say the least.

If there was such a thing as an ideal ideology, everyone would have it, so there can't be one.
no, because not everyone is intelligent.The reason that not everyone would have it is that not everyone recognizes the obvious. Please refrain from insults. That's why I tried to stop your political injection into this thread.

RoD
10-10-2002, 02:16 PM
It was kind of expected this thread would end up this way, i mean read the first post....


I say we just end it.

Zewu
10-10-2002, 02:17 PM
I thought you were the one to begin with insulting. Yes, I should refrain from insults

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Ride -or- Die
I say we just end it. agreed

Nick
10-10-2002, 02:24 PM
Zewu, this guy isn't out there to spread his ideological reasons or
underclass rage. This guy is a hunter and kills
for pleasure.

Zewu
10-10-2002, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by FillYourBrain
agreed

Agreed

FillYourBrain
10-10-2002, 02:29 PM
Nick, don't get him started:eek:

most people understand that you can't make excuses for cold blooded murder. Certain Arab groups and some users who's handle starts with 'Z' are obvious exceptions. (jk)