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black
09-28-2002, 11:08 PM
I go Bruce Eckel, a nice guys who get used to thinking with programming languages. :) what about you guys ?

xds4lx
09-28-2002, 11:43 PM
john carmack

black
09-28-2002, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by xds4lx
john carmack

could you describe him a little more for his magic skills ? ;)

xds4lx
09-28-2002, 11:52 PM
if you dont know who he is then you probally have never heard of quake or doom or id software..............

black
09-28-2002, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by xds4lx
if you dont know who he is then you probally have never heard of quake or doom or id software..............

it's shame for about 2 or 3 years I havent touch games based on computer. :o I think I am out of time now~ :p

with your words I remembered even read an article about him. That composition said he hates Microsoft and he looks not so strong, with nice glasses on his nose, yes ? :D

xds4lx
09-29-2002, 01:15 AM
Yeah he looks like a geek but who cares? And i dont know about hating microsoft, show me something that says so. But hes a genious, no college degree and hes the mand behing doom, doom II, the soon to be doom III, quake, quake II, quake III, castle wolfenstein, not to mention being a member of the openGL arb board.

Fordy
09-29-2002, 01:45 AM
Michael Abrash, John Carmack and Herb Schildt

:):eek: :p

Troll_King
09-29-2002, 01:53 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I think that Tom Swan is the best programmer that ever lived.

Fordy
09-29-2002, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Troll_King
I don't know about you guys, but I think that Tom Swan is the best programmer that ever lived.


Out of interest, how do you know of him?

I have a book he wrote on TASM years ago that's now out of print.

Its a pretty good book.

Troll_King
09-29-2002, 01:58 AM
I used to walk by the river and the birds were singing praises of The Swan. With all the lame ducks around here I'm surprised that he isn't more popular.

Fordy
09-29-2002, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by Troll_King
I used to walk by the river and the birds were singing praises of The Swan. With all the lame ducks around here I'm surprised that he isn't more popular.

LOL...ok

:)

Stoned_Coder
09-29-2002, 06:27 AM
I personally like Scott Meyers. Thats one guy who knows c++ exceptionally well.

Fordy
09-29-2002, 08:10 AM
>>I personally like Scott Meyers


I bought Effective C++ a while back after seeing it listed quite often in references and bibligraphies........Also after seeing this (http://www.accu.org/cgi-bin/accu/rvout.cgi?from=0au_m&file=e000504a)



I thoroughly recommend this book. It would be nice to see some of our training establishments adopt it as an end of course gift to those who have successfully completed in introduction to C++ for C programmers. The cost could easily be absorbed into most course fees and students would go away with some practical reading to improve their use of C++.

My only gripe was that it seemed a little expensive for the size of the book....but on reading the book, I now feel it was worth it

Fordy
09-29-2002, 08:12 AM
Hmm...just went to Amazon to see how much I paid for it......its shot down in price!!!! - here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201924889/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/026-5526184-9548468)

Not bad....might put in an order for More Effective C++ to complete the set :)

RoD
09-29-2002, 08:20 AM
John Carmack

Eibro
09-29-2002, 09:06 AM
Linus Torvalds

ZerOrDie
09-29-2002, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Eibro
Linus Torvalds
second that

Cheeze-It
09-29-2002, 09:58 AM
Tim Sweeney (Epic).
John Carmack (Id).
DJ Delorie (Delorie).

I'm sure if more programmers had the access that Carmack had
(as in getting cards/new versions of APIs months before their
release), they'd be able to do some amazing things, too.

As for worst professional programmer:

Dan Gookin. I think that's his name. I don't like "C for Dummies."

BMJ
09-29-2002, 10:22 AM
John Carmack

He lives my fantasy life.

lightatdawn
09-29-2002, 03:02 PM
I'm sure if more programmers had the access that Carmack had
(as in getting cards/new versions of APIs months before their
release), they'd be able to do some amazing things, too.

I'm with ethic here. I still think hes a damn fine programmer. Anyone whos seem some of what Doom III is bringing has got to bow to the man. Hes been an innovator in the gaming industry (specifically FPS) for years. He basically started to whole concept. Doom and Wolfenstein brought that genre into existance.

Cshot
09-29-2002, 06:20 PM
John Carmack. I think he's one of the few (maybe only)programmers who comes out with software that pushes the hardware community to catch up. And successfully too.

I know I had to upgrade my PC countless times in order to play his games at decent framerates.

black
09-29-2002, 07:39 PM
Hey, it's such strange that in C++ forum no one go Bjarne Stroustrup~ insteand of him John Carmack become new idol~ lol :p

Prelude
09-29-2002, 07:48 PM
>Hey, it's such strange that in C++ forum no one go Bjarne Stroustrup
Demi-Gods don't count. ;)

My vote would go to many, but Alexander Stepanov comes most readily to mind at the moment. I respect someone who can pick a project and stick with it for 20+ years.

-Prelude

golfinguy4
09-29-2002, 08:37 PM
At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what did stepanov do? A language?

Prelude
09-29-2002, 08:41 PM
>At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what did stepanov do? A language?
He is attributed to the design and implementation of the C++ STL.

-Prelude

ZerOrDie
09-29-2002, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by Fordy
Michael Abrash, John Carmack and Herb Schildt

:):eek: :p

and here i thought that herb schildt books where deemed by the people here to be awful :p

Nick
09-29-2002, 10:59 PM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Knuth. STL == totaly unreadable
stuft. There are others such has Wirth, Steele, Stroustrup, Dennis Ritchie, Aho, Ullman, Alan kay, Sussman, and many more.

Fordy
09-30-2002, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by ZerOrDie
and here i thought that herb schildt books where deemed by the people here to be awful :p

The last one was sarcastic ;)

(mind you, he didnt do a bad job on Windows 98 Programming from the ground up......)

Ruski
09-30-2002, 08:50 AM
I got a top ten list for the best programmers:

1. Ruski
2. Ruski
3. Ruski
4. Ruski
4. Ruski
6. Ruski
7. Ruski
8. Ruski
9. Ruski
10. and.. Oh.. Ruski

:p :p :p

Govtcheez
09-30-2002, 08:54 AM
Petzold gets my pick...

As for gaming people - Sid Meier and Will Wright.

Fordy
09-30-2002, 08:58 AM
>>Petzold gets my pick...

He's good, but the ones who impress me for Wincoding are Jeff Richter and Matt Peitrek any book or article by them is worth a read IMO

Ruski
09-30-2002, 09:03 AM
Tekken master?? You aren't.. I am!! I passed it all and got all the characters and my favourite is Howarang (Tekken3) .. I declare a vs. Match.. RIGHT NOW!! lol j/k :p .. I like tekken though..

Fordy
09-30-2002, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Ruski
Tekken master?? You aren't.. I am!! I passed it all and got all the characters and my favourite is Howarang (Tekken3) .. I declare a vs. Match.. RIGHT NOW!! lol j/k :p .. I like tekken though..

Kid, you wouldnt stand a chance.......

LOL

BMJ
09-30-2002, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by black
Hey, it's such strange that in C++ forum no one go Bjarne Stroustrup~ insteand of him John Carmack become new idol~ lol :p John Carmack is an idol to anyone who plays 3D games... I mean the man is probably the #1 reason OpenGL is still alive and kicking

lightatdawn
09-30-2002, 10:53 AM
>>John Carmack is an idol to anyone who plays 3D games... I mean the man is probably the #1 reason OpenGL is still alive and kicking

Exactly. I dont even like OGL and I still respect what he does with it. Its like hes two steps a head of everyone else. People buy his _old_ crap and use it to make new games because its still better than what _they_ can do.

Eibro
09-30-2002, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by Fordy
>>Petzold gets my pick...

He's good, but the ones who impress me for Wincoding are Jeff Richter and Matt Peitrek any book or article by them is worth a read IMO
I agree, he's very good. Read "Programming C++ Applications for Microsoft Windows"?

Cheeze-It
09-30-2002, 12:36 PM
Yeah, Carmack is a genius. Just read hs super-intelligent quote
about the IGDA.

http://www.igda.org/Membership/Studios/studios.htm#id

Hehe.

BMJ
09-30-2002, 12:38 PM
"..."

That's my catch phrase!

DavidP
09-30-2002, 02:18 PM
John Carmack

He is the best of the best.

Ruski
10-01-2002, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by Fordy
Kid, you wouldnt stand a chance.......

LOL

I just wish there was Tekken on PC and we could play over the internet.. I would beat you up like crap.. Even if you make a time limit to 2 secs, I'll beat you in less than 1 :P (no offence)