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Dude
08-21-2002, 04:27 PM
We all seen on TV, how Al Qaeda is training it's "jihadis"
to wage a war against the west.

Similar tapes were shown by the Indian media on terrorrist
groups like Laskhar -e- Toyba, etc. which also train young
pakistanis and some local kashmiris to attack the Indian
rule in Kashmir.

This has been going on for decades now but still United
States tells India to shut up, although Pakistan has been
in the "terrorist nations list" for the last decade or so.

When Indian Airlines flight was hijacked and taken into
afghanistan by pakistani-afghan based terrorrists, (this happened
in 1998 i think), one of the major millitants who was under
captivity of the Indian Military was asked to be released
in exchange of the innocent hostages of the IA flight.

The same guy was in the list of the prime suspects of the
September 11 attacks, this time, in the USA.

since 1947, there have been great killing of innocent people
in kashmir. (the population of hindus was 70% in that Kashmir
in those days). they were slowly killed...
today, the population of hindus in that state is 2%,
who are now indian citizens who are refugees in their own
country and running to New Delhi for shelter.

As most residents in Kashmir are now mulims who have been
infiltrating into the country for 50 yrs now, Pakistan is
asking for the "opinion" of "kashmiris"
(who, obviously, choose Pakistan because they *came* from
that country by infiltration and wiped out the local people
and especially all the hindus in Kashmir)

Musharraf said "as india is a big country and as we lose a
conventional war, we have to use nuclear weapons to deal
with it." Now, doesn't it sound like a nuclear threat ?

Think about it this way... a small neighbouring country of the US
says "as we can't fight a conventional war against US, we have
to use the Nukes"...
now, how should USA interpret this ? isn't that a nuclear
blackmail?

My question is, why does US keep quiet when it comes to the
issue of pakistani terrorrists in Kashmir ? or rather tells india
to calm down when terrorrists are infiltrating into the country?

mithrandir
08-21-2002, 04:37 PM
The US government (may I stress the government part of that) has it's own vested interests in what goes on.

Besides, surley you aren't that naive to think that only the Pakistani's are the one's using terrorism, or are the only one's killing innocent people. The Indian threat of using a nuclear bomb is in itself, perhaps the greatest example of this.

Dude
08-21-2002, 04:53 PM
FYI, I am not from India. I am from Singapore. And i am not an
Indian, nor a decendant of any indians for that matter

>The Indian threat of using a nuclear bomb is in itself, perhaps the greatest example of this.

Prove this.

golfinguy4
08-21-2002, 05:16 PM
Dude, would you rather protect someone else's country of half your population or your own country? The US needs (maybe not needs, but could definately use) Pakistan to protect itself. As selfish as this may sound, the US needs to protect itself before it can help others.

salvelinus
08-21-2002, 05:28 PM
Please see this thread (http://www.cprogramming.com/cboard/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18235&highlight=india) .
This isssue has been extensively and inconclusively (to either side's satisfaction) debated.
You can bring it up again, but don't expect any big change in opinion/replies unless there's some new and flagrant event. Might be easier to just read the opinions already held, since nobody's changing them.
Not flaming you, would write the same to anyone on this topic.
Opposing sides are not going to agree, regardless of facts/events.
Any rational person can see that the whole thing is lunacy, but since it's practiced by world leaders, it's national policy.

ygfperson
08-21-2002, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by golfinguy4
Dude, would you rather protect someone else's country of half your population or your own country?
i hate to break it to you, but india has maybe 3 or 4 times our population.

DISGUISED
08-21-2002, 06:39 PM
My question is, why does US keep quiet when it comes to the
issue of pakistani terrorrists in Kashmir ? or rather tells india
to calm down when terrorrists are infiltrating into the country?


That is simply not true. The US opposes terrorism in all forms. In the last few months there has been nonstop diplomatic pressure on both nations for the violence in and around Kashmir to stop.

We have sent our Defense Secretary, Deputy Secretary of State, and even the Secretary of State to the region to negotiate with both sides and attempt to get to the root of terrorism. Colon Powell has been in daily communication with the leaders of both countries.

Maybe it's not enough...I am not expert .... But I think it's a far cry from keeping quiet and telling India to just calm down.

moonwalker
08-21-2002, 06:42 PM
>But I think it's a far cry from keeping quiet and telling India to just calm down.
i personally think that that should be told to pakistan first!

Before jumping into any conclusions, one should keep in mind
that Pakistan is an Islamic Fundamentalist country with a
military ruler, also a country where osama is suspected to
be residing safely whereas India is the largest democracy
where even muslims and christians can live freely. (for e.g.
the president of India is a Muslim right now).... that is the
greatness of a free country.
such freedom can not be had by non muslims
in Islamic Nations like pakistan.

golfinguy4
08-21-2002, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by ygfperson

i hate to break it to you, but india has maybe 3 or 4 times our population.

Ya, ignore me. I'm an idiot when it comes to those kind of things.

mithrandir
08-22-2002, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by Dude
FYI, I am not from India. I am from Singapore. And i am not an
Indian, nor a decendant of any indians for that matter

>The Indian threat of using a nuclear bomb is in itself, perhaps the greatest example of this.

Prove this.

I don't have to prove anything that's already known.

The fear created from the threat of using a nuclear bomb creates a sense of terror. Using violence (or the threat of violence) to gain demands whether they may be for peace or for revenge, is an act of terrorism.

vasanth
08-22-2002, 04:31 AM
hmm what is this... now .. I am an Indian... well i say.. dont debate it is a waste.. But being an Indian i have to say something here....



<QUOTE>We have sent our Defense Secretary, Deputy Secretary of State, and even the Secretary of State to the region to negotiate with both sides and attempt to get to the root of terrorism. Colon Powell has been in daily communication with the leaders of both countries. </QUOTE>



Well why did uncle sam come running to the region.. Because it found out tyhat the happenings here could harm its intrest.. it did not want India to engage it's troops with the pakistanis since it required pakistan troops to watch the afganistan border(asking the thief to gaurd the house).. America did not give a damm execpt send secratiries on tours... when India said that they were tired of terrorism.. But when India said we are ready for war.. US came running to stop it.. And said that Musharaf has promised.. WHAT PROMISE.. Then if Osama promises to the US that he will stop terrorism will the US leave afganistan..

US always plays a double sided game and it is going to regret one day... (waiting for US lovers to flame me..)


And about the population 1/6 th of the worlds humanity lives in India.. So we have every right to defend this 1/6 th of humanity against a small population of pakistan...

The US thinks it wants to do a balancing act instead of siding with one party... It wants pakistan now to fight a war in afganistan.. and it wants India for future in the area to balance the Chineese.. What type of game does the US think it is playing... Even after the promises there have been proof of inflitration.. and just 2 weeks befpore we had a killing... So now do we go the US secratiries and say what happened to you promise of Musharaf promise...

And you US guys blame india.. try living in pakistan and India for a year.... In pakistan you have no right... even in the court of law in pakistan if you are a non muslim you are doomed.. but in india particularly the US citizens are considered high(even though their brain is in a small nutshell which does not know anything outside America)...



Well i know many will flame here.. talk about peace and rubbish.. any way continue...

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by [stealth]


I don't have to prove anything that's already known.

The fear created from the threat of using a nuclear bomb creates a sense of terror. Using violence (or the threat of violence) to gain demands whether they may be for peace or for revenge, is an act of terrorism.
From your dumb logic, you can also come to
a conclusion that United States is among the
greatest threats to human kind from
the amount of nukes it has!
In fact, this fear even needn't be irrational because the only
country that used big nukes so far against another country,
and that too, twice is United states. (hiroshima & nagasaki)

I'm just giving this as an example of your stupid logic (not
here to teach anti US propaganda) i am just using your own
logic to prove how conclusions can be drawn.

i just want you to think before coming into conclusions.

>The fear created from the threat of using a nuclear bomb creates a sense of terror. Using violence (or the threat of violence) to gain demands whether they may be for peace or for revenge, is an act of terrorism.

although there is an invisible point in what you say,
you needn't come into dumb conclusions like these.
It's not just who possesses it, it is also who is more likely
to use!!!

and your so called "threat of violence" of using the nuke
first was giving by Musharraf itself, that too on a TV interview!!!
(i think it is also shown in CNN)

India can defend itself with conventional weapons, so it doesn't
really need to use a nuke (unless they use it first against
india) .. if any country wants to use a nuke because it loses
the conventional war, it is obviously pakistan.

The whole world is facing terrorrism from islamic fundamentalists.
take a look at all the terrorrist organizations' names and you'd
know where they came from.

that is also the main reason why US is not selling its F16s to it.
There's also proof that the ammo that US gave to pakistan
to defend against terrorrists in afghanistan is being used by
pakistani soldiers in kashmir!!

During the kargil war, pakistan kept saying that there aren't
any military operations and that they are solely terrorrists,
(the word they used here was "freedom fighters")
but when 7 so called "freedom fighters" were killed in a coup
by the indian military, they all were in uniforms along with IDs
and they're from the pakistani army.

When india sent the bodies to pakistan (like every country does,
this is a convention of war), pakistan feared that their lies would
be proven by this and said they weren't pakistani soldiers and
disagreed take their bodies.
This is the respect it gives to it's own soldiers.

All those IDs and other things that prove they're pakistani
soldiers are still in India.

so don't come into blind conclusions and support
the fundamentalistic ideas of islam.



And you US guys blame india.. try living in pakistan and India for a year.... In pakistan you have no right... even in the court of law in pakistan if you are a non muslim you are doomed.. but in india particularly the US citizens are considered high(even though their brain is in a small nutshell which does not know anything outside America)...

This is absolutely true!!!!!

and here's a small example of how fundamentalist they are:-
right now, they're fighting in court whether or not to allow
banks to charge interest because taking interest on the principal
is unislamic.
i dont know if the bill has already been passed in their parliament,
well, maybe next year....
it's going to be funny how this is going to turn out to be :)

mithrandir
08-22-2002, 08:14 AM
moonwalker perhaps you should take a class in "how to take part in an adult discussion".

The power of the nuclear bomb is the greatest threat to humanity that exists. Any nation that has created a nuclear bomb is a threat to humanity.

This is the truth - accept it or do not accept it.

>>so don't come into blind conclusions and support
the fundamentalistic ideas of islam.<<

Do not misquote or misrepresent my words - I have not said I supported anybody in this issue. You are simply putting your own interpretation on the situation that I must be on somebody's side. The actions of both Pakistan and India are utterly despicable. Both nations should be ashamed of themselves for ever having started this whole situation. It is pure and simply ignorance of religion, lifestyle, and beliefs that have led to the tensions between India and Pakistan.

The simple truth is both sides are equally to blame as each other. Violence begets violence.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 08:21 AM
moonwalker perhaps you should take a class in "how to take part in an adult discussion".

and you have to take the course "how to think before i open
my wide mouth"

i am really ........ed now at your ignorance..



The power of the nuclear bomb is the greatest threat to humanity that exists. Any nation that has created a nuclear bomb is a threat to humanity.

This is the truth - accept it or do not accept it.

True.. i dont disagree...

the reason why i was quoting that was because this is bull crap
when it comes to a situation where one is threatening to use
it first, and the other is trying to defend itself and possesses
nukes.

I have a gun, you have a gun. i put the gun on you and say
i'm gonna kill you if you don't give me your wallet... you also
have a gun and say "if you shoot me, i'll shoot you too"..

and meanwhile someone pops in and says "since you both
have guns... you're equally a great threat to everyone here..
you both should stop"

now doesn't this logic look like bull crap?



>>so don't come into blind conclusions and support
the fundamentalistic ideas of islam.<<

Do not misquote or misrepresent my words - I have not said I supported anybody in this issue. You are simply putting your own interpretation on the situation that I must be on somebody's side.

When there're terrorrists and a civilization fighting against each
other... telling BOTH sides to stop, especially after a lot of
damage is already done (e.g. in kashmir), is same as supporting
the terrorrist.

mithrandir
08-22-2002, 08:31 AM
There is no need to get emotional about it - I just felt that you could learn to actually construct an argument based upon reason rather that poor logic. You call me ignorant, yet it is you who did not see my point in the first place. Now let us be done of these personal insults - we're getting off the issue and being selfish.

>>When there're terrorrists and a civilization fighting against each
other... telling BOTH sides to stop, especially after a lot of
damage is already done, is same as supporting the terrorrist.<<

Firstly, there are two sides to every argument - to the Islam in the streets of Pakistan, he is right. To the Indian in the streets of India, he is right. Neither side is right. There is no side to be taken that is right. Right and wrong are merley emotional perceptions.

There are no victors in war.

The only way to end this conflict is through non-violence and through communication. Many have died, and many more will continue to die until both nations (and indeed all of humanity) realise this.

Until we rid ourselves of the need to kill to solve problems, there will be no peace.

Now you will say perhaps "you're very naive" - well no I'm not, because it will be a long time yet before there is ever peace and an end to war. I believe that both sides in this conflict will destory each other before they find peace.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 08:41 AM
>There are no victors in war.
in one way, it is true..

>There are no victors in war.
against terrorrists? the above statement becomes bull crap!



There is no need to get emotional about it - I just felt that you could learn to actually construct an argument based upon reason rather that poor logic. You call me ignorant, yet it is you who did not see my point in the first place. Now let us be done of these personal insults - we're getting off the issue and being selfish.


>personal insults - we're getting off the issue and being selfish.
this started with you talking about "adult arguments" ...
and of course, i continued, 'cause i got ........ed..


>There is no need to get emotional about it - I just felt that you could learn to actually construct an argument based upon reason rather that poor logic.
your quote against war is kindly taken and the answer is given
above already..

this obviously looks like another indirect flaming saying that i can't
construct and argument, blah blah blah..

the poor logic was of course, yours... again i quote..


>>When there're terrorrists and a civilization fighting against each
other... telling BOTH sides to stop, especially after a lot of
damage is already done, is same as supporting the terrorrist.<<

is true...
although it may not seem as directly supporting the terrorrist,
it is one way of supporting the terrorrist.

you may not be able to see it because you're from australia.
when something unjust happens to you and someone plays
uncle sam teaching ethics, how would you feel?

>You call me ignorant, yet it is you who did not see my point in the first place.
your point was the quote on war... i agree in general,
but disagree in a terrorrist context.

>Now you will say perhaps "you're very naive" - well no I'm not, because it will be a long time yet before there is ever peace and an end to war. I believe that both sides in this conflict will destory each other before they find peace.

hopefully yes... but with islamic jihadis who consider themselves
the brave soldiers of a holy war?

no, don't take this as a personal flame... you're the one that's
getting emotional here. not me.

mithrandir
08-22-2002, 08:54 AM
>>although it may not seem as directly supporting the terrorrist,
it is one way of supporting the terrorrist.<<

Support for the terrorists to me would imply that I were condoning their actions, were claiming that their cause was just, stating that those who oppose them are wrong and should be killed.

Now I have not really implied any of these things have I? I realise that bin Laden and other Al Quada members have said that the US are terrorists. But yet they do not consider themselves terrorists which is obviously because they don't understand what terrorism really is.

It is the use of fear, which in turn creates terror, in order to manipulate the actions of others.

Terrosim does not have to be active or agressive. It is the concept that makes terrosim what it is. People are conditioned to think that terrorism is only the action - this is in fact only one part of terrorism.

>>you may not be able to see it because you're from australia.
when something unjust happens to you and someone plays
uncle sam teaching ethics, how would you feel?<<

The US done its fair share of screwing us around, as have the British, as has the Australian government. Are you forgetting WWII and the Japanese - the Burma Railroad where hundreds of Australian POWs were left to starved and worked to death? Obvioulsy you have if you're going to make such a ludicrous assumption as this. Don't talk to me of being ignorant.

Troll_King
08-22-2002, 09:01 AM
I say, phone the president of India and Pakistan and tell them to deliver peace to the region. If this does not happen in 24 hrs than send a plane over and nuke them.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 09:02 AM
The US done its fair share of screwing us around, as have the British, as has the Australian government. Are you forgetting WWII and the Japanese - the Burma Railroad where hundreds of Australian POWs were left to starved and worked to death? Obvioulsy you have if you're going to make such a ludicrous assumption as this. Don't talk to me of being ignorant. [/B]
So you're saying US has done it's fair share of screwing us around... etc etc..

then why would you want to use the same uncle sam logic ?
this is screwing indians now..

My assumption holds true.
when a thief puts a gun at you and threatens to kill you,
and you point a gun at him for self defence..
someone pops in and says "peace" ... who's winning ?
the thief... 'cause otherwise, he'd go to jail....

>Don't talk to me of being ignorant.
who's getting emotional ?
also, don't talk to me about adult discussions..


anyway..... one thing left for me to say...

India wins a war against Terrorrism.
Truth always triumphs!

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 09:05 AM
I say, phone the president of India and Pakistan and tell them to deliver peace to the region. If this does not happen in 24 hrs than send a plane over and nuke them.


huh....

"For the rich and prosperous, it is unacceptable
and quiet impossible to conceive and comprehend,
that there can be other cultures, civilizations,
people, works, nations, doctrines that
are far greater than theirs!"

Govtcheez
08-22-2002, 09:07 AM
If something came along and sliced off the middle east and parts of asia and let them float away into space, would anyone really miss it?

mithrandir
08-22-2002, 09:14 AM
I am not getting emotional, just bemused by your lack of insight into this situation, and your ignorance of Australia and Australians in general. Tell me, where are you from? What generalisation can I come up with about that?

>>when a thief puts a gun at you and threatens to kill you,
and you point a gun at him for self defence..
someone pops in and says "peace" ... who's winning ?
the thief... 'cause otherwise, he'd go to jail....<<

You must get over this whole "winner/loser" concept that you are so fond of! Winning and losing are just terms for "what I have" and "what I don't have". It is this desire to have or not have that is the cause of suffering - the cause of war. Why not be content with just being?

>>India wins a war against Terrorrism.
Truth always triumphs!<<

You have taken a side - that of India. The deaths of innocent people from both sides are really what should be your concern - not that of who you are supporting. This isn't a f**king spectator sport. We are all human - race, color, creed do not matter. Support for one group over the other or the belief that one group has a greater right to live is wrong.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 09:30 AM
go talk about humanity to islamic jihadis, tell me what they
told you.... no, let me see if you'll come back to me at all..

go talk aboug humanity to indians, tell me what they told you..
and i have no doubt you'll be back unharmed.

>You have taken a side - that of India. The deaths of innocent >people from both sides are really what should be your concern - >not that of who you are supporting.

yes, i have taken the side of india.. the deaths of innocent
people are my concern.. and i'd rather work to stop the cause
of terrorrism rather than just teaching both sides to calm down.
terrorrists are not innocent people, by the way.

india knows more about peace than any other nation in the
world. it showed an example to the world that freedom can
be achieved with peace. it is the first country that got its
independence via non violence.
it never had a history of slavery nor did it have a fundamentalist
view. it is a hindu country where you can still be a christian
or a muslim and shout on the road, the name of your god,
and walk proudly and peacefully.
you can not do that in pakistan.
playing uncle sam against india is an act of shame.


>and your ignorance of Australia and Australians in general.
i can tell the same thing for you about the issue in kashmir
and indians in general..

all you see is the western tv telling "innocent people are being
killed" ... look at these countries... (they're nasty)... 3rd world
countries with no... etc etc..

but when it comes to the issue of israel/palestine... they proudly
take the side of israel

they're the same jihadis (with the same concept) killing people
in kashmir and they're from pakistan...

>This isn't a f**king spectator sport

true, tell that to the jihadis and tell them to stop..
don't tell indian military that's trying to stop terrorrists from
infiltrating.

Troll_King
08-22-2002, 11:54 AM
I live in a nice country, Canada. I can hardly imagine what it would be like to live in India or Pakistan. It must be crowded and depressing. Why wouldn't they want to kill each other?

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 12:19 PM
If only a country like the UK stood on Canada's ass for over
a 100 yrs and tortures it perpetually like it did to india,
you wouldn't make this statement today!!! sitting on a
nice sofa with your rich candy ass and watching TV,
eating chips, thinking that the only heavenly paradise
is your own country.

Govtcheez
08-22-2002, 12:23 PM
>watching TV, eating chips

You forgot drinking beer. And I have to say, Dean's right - Canada's a pretty nice place. I've got nothing but good to say about them (especially their vomit resistan rugs in their casinos). Michigan's a nice place, too. I'm glad I can live here and let that other side of the world do what they feel like without it ever happening to me. Bad things don't happen to people like me - they always happen to someone else.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 12:30 PM
>Bad things don't happen to people like me - they always happen to someone else.

yeah, let's talk about the great history of bad things
of our own country, the USA...
where blacks are enslaved and butchered, Klu Klux Klan,
lots of drug problems in school, lots of divorce cases (average
marriage life... 8 freakin years!!!), legalisation of prostitution
in nevada, first time use of nukes, etc.. etc... the list goes on..

yet we look at ourselves and say, bad things never happen
to me... it only happens to other (indirectly saying bad) people..

this is a typical example of a rich ass's thoughts.

Govtcheez
08-22-2002, 12:38 PM
OK, now you're just making things up. We never did any of those things. Nukes? What're those?

Seriously, Mr. Moon Man, every country has skeletons in their closet. I'd like to note a couple things about what you said.

1) Even thought the bombs dropped on Japan killed thousands, they did force the Japanese into surrender. If there was no surrender, there would have been a ground invasion of Japan, which would have claimed WAY more lives than the A-bombs did. Look it up - it was esitmated American casualties ALONE would have been over a million.

2) Blacks haven't been enslaved for almost 150 years. Learn to read. The KKK are nowhere NEAR as active as they were in the past.

3) Not looking at it from a totally religious point of view, what's so terrible about prostitution?

As for drugs and divorces, I can't say anything about that...

Where do you actually live, Mr. moonwalker, that is so ..........ing perfect?

Oh yeah, and before you start pointing fingers at everyone here calling us "rich asses", remember - you've got a computer - that makes you wealthier than 95% of the people in the world.

Troll_King
08-22-2002, 12:47 PM
Yes, I'm a rich candy ass, and I'm proud of it.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 12:50 PM
hey, idiot... will just shut the .......... up?

i gave those examples to prove that the paradise
you're talking about is not exactly a paradise.

NOTHING can justify using nukes... US used TWO nukes.
now don't talk about casuality things.. that's a whole different
story where again, ignorance is from our own side.

slavery is long gone... but still the human rights is fighting
to remove the traces of racism that still exist in this country.

although the number of whites who use/sell drugs is 5 times
more than the number of blacks, about 85% of all the
drug cases are registered only against blacks.

yeah, i am a rich ass... but i dont think like you do.

i pointed to you guys because of the way you were
talking here..
>I live in a nice country, Canada. I can hardly imagine what it would be like to live in India or Pakistan. It must be crowded and depressing. Why wouldn't they want to kill each other?

now what kind of a crazy ass idiot talks like this when there's
a discussion of 2 relatively poorer countries ???

and you seconded it by saying
>Bad things don't happen to people like me - they always happen to someone else.

but when i pointed out bad things on our own country..
you end up saying nothing's perfect..

now you call yourself a person with a brain? shame on you!

you damn well know it's not proper to talk like that in situations
like these so just shut the hell up and learn to respect others.

jumping over in forums like these will not make you any better
than the rest.

Troll_King
08-22-2002, 12:55 PM
Actually times are quite good. I wonder why those people live like ants. Can't they see that their land is overcrowded? I don't feel sory for their stupidity. Why is it always our fault?

Govtcheez
08-22-2002, 01:00 PM
>NOTHING can justify using nukes... US used TWO nukes.
now don't talk about casuality things.. that's a whole different
story where again, ignorance is from our own side.<

Really? We could kill 170,000 Japanese or 1,000,000+ Americans and far more than that in Japanese. Sounds pretty damned justified to me.

>the human rights is fighting to remove the traces of racism that still exist in this country.

That's right. No matter how good things are going to get, there'll still be morons that feel the need to hate others. It's the same everywhere - it's not like hate was invented in the US.

>although the number of whites who use/sell drugs is 5 times
more than the number of blacks, about 85% of all the
drug cases are registered only against blacks.<

You give numbers, you sure as hell be able to back that up with some sort of proof.

Oh yeah, and 85% of Hindus have sex with donkeys.

>and you seconded it by saying
>Bad things don't happen to people like me - they always happen to someone else.<

I was joking. If you're too dense to figure that out, it's not my fault.

>you damn well know it's not proper to talk like that in situations
like these so just shut the hell up and learn to respect others.<

Said the man whose major method of debate is calling the other people names...

>Why is it always our fault?

Good question.

Troll_King
08-22-2002, 01:09 PM
I don't like Blacks too much because they are violent, but Packies are okay. I usually get along with Orientals.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 01:10 PM
my above numbers are wrong, but close enough to prove
what's actually happening..

for real statistics -
Human Rights website : http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/drugs/war/key-facts.htm

>I don't like Blacks too much because they are violent, but Packies are okay. I usually get along with Orientals.

anther rascistic idiot here..

anyway, for your information, Indians are not blacks.. they're
brown, and so are your "Packies"
and they don't have hierarchies based on skin color like you do.

yeah, and about Hindu's having sex with donkeys... who taught
you that ?
didn't the same guy tell you that jesus is a transsexual and
that 95% of christians have group sex with dogs ?

Govtcheez
08-22-2002, 01:12 PM
>yeah, and about Hindu's having sex with donkeys... who taught
you that ?
didn't the same guy tell you that jesus is a transsexual ?<

Not to quick, are you? I was making a point. And if you're trying to insult me, you're going to have to try harder than that.

> anyway, for your information, Indians are not blacks.. they're
brown, and so are your "Packies">

Dean didn't say anything about not liking indians. He said he didn't like blacks. If that's his opinion, good for him.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 01:15 PM
I showed the proof for what i said about discrimination against
blacks.

and what about what you just said?
if you're trying to make a point, you can be nice and still
make it without insulting anybody, and especially other
religions in particular.

Troll_King
08-22-2002, 01:17 PM
The East developed more spiritual philosophy and the West headed technology. The West became wealthy and the East wanted a part of the technology so that it could share the material benefit. Something like that right...

Govtcheez
08-22-2002, 01:20 PM
>if you're trying to make a point, you can be nice and still make it without insulting anybody,

>From your dumb logic,
>your stupid logic
>your rich candy ass
>this is a typical example of a rich ass's thoughts.
>now you call yourself a person with a brain? shame on you!
>hey, idiot... will just shut the .......... up?
>now what kind of a crazy ass idiot talks like this when there's a discussion of 2 relatively poorer countries ???
>anther rascistic idiot here..

Practice what you preach, there, skippy.

Oh yes, and I'll insult whatever religion I damn well please (even though I wasn't really insulting the religion). I'm sick of being politically correct.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 01:20 PM
phh... indians invented algebra and did a lot of research in
mathematics (they also invented the 0, by the way)

"We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
-Albert Einstein

Troll_King
08-22-2002, 01:21 PM
BTW the nukes that Japan recieved were not necessary. Russia had defeated Germany and were now prepared to join forces against Japan. The Japanese would have surrendered. At that time Russia had the largest army on earth and was prepared to claim all of Europe, but the American nukes made were a message to the Russians. it was also significant that they used two bombs.

Troll_King
08-22-2002, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by moonwalker
phh... indians invented algebra and did a lot of research in
mathematics (they also invented the 0, by the way)

"We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
-Albert Einstein

Yes they did, and also China contributed to science and technology, but the West exploded forth with technological advances that impacted the whole world and they had more resources than any other place on earth.

golfinguy4
08-22-2002, 05:45 PM
Moonwalker, troll_king was just trying to get a rise out of you.

Govt. was kidding around about the hindus. He was making a point. You mentioned the drug cases, but provided no facts. He did the same thing in a sarcastic manner.

Jeez, some people need to chill out.

mithrandir
08-22-2002, 07:55 PM
moonwalker - you are very angry, and you don't know how to deal with your anger except to lash out at the people you aren't angry with. What does this acomplish? Has any of this anger helped you to feel like you've justified your position on this topic?

Do not assume that I am ignorant of world politics just because I am an Australian. For heaven's sake man! I probabaly know more than half of the people here about the Kashmir situation - and let me tell you plainly and simply it is just a game of tit for tat. Once side strikes, so does the other. Both sides fail to see that Kashmir is just a f**king piece of ground - just as Israel is just a f**king piece of ground. It is the religious ignorance that has led to this situation.

You have to learn that not everything to see on the news is the truth. The media have a vested interest here as much as do both the Indians and Pakistanis.

>>true, tell that to the jihadis and tell them to stop..
don't tell indian military that's trying to stop terrorrists from
infiltrating.<<

That very statement demonstrates you do not know what a jihad even is. Please, get a copy of the qu'ran and read about jihad. Stop wasting our time with such bull.............

Do not twist my words about okay? I am not saying it is wrong for the indian military to defend INDIA from being attacked. I'm not saying it is wrong to defend life. I am simply saying that this defence will not solve the problem. Do you understand? Just as how muslim's blowing themselves up will not solve anything. Using terrorism to kill off terrorists is not going to solve anything.

It all just creates more violence, more death.

golfinguy4
08-22-2002, 08:10 PM
Stealth repeated himself to make sure everyone understood him.:D

ihsir
08-22-2002, 09:12 PM
You know such serious topics get very funny after the first few posts. :D


In most posts you could pick each line and thrash the hell out of the other guy.

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 09:29 PM
Translated from quran: (not manipulated by me)

Jihad - an act of war against non muslims for the propagation of islam.
there are 3 such wars, and the 3rd war will bring the whole world
under the rule of the great shariya law, the law of islam.

Ghazi - the honorary name given to a muslim when he kills a non muslim

moonwalker
08-22-2002, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by golfinguy4
Moonwalker, troll_king was just trying to get a rise out of you.

Govt. was kidding around about the hindus. He was making a point. You mentioned the drug cases, but provided no facts. He did the same thing in a sarcastic manner.

Jeez, some people need to chill out.

FYI, I provided a link to the human rights website that proves
what i said.

novacain
08-22-2002, 11:45 PM
Just wanted to say,

India was not the first country to gain independence without a war. India lost the war of independence (often called the Sepoy Riots) in 1857.

India gained independence in 1947, I don't know which country was first (without a war) but Australia federated in 1901 (without a war).

On the 'blacks' in prison;

Australian Aborigines are ~3% of the population but closer to 25% of the prison population.

This either (depending on your point of view) means Australian Aborigines commit more crimes OR Australian Aborigines are treated more hashly by the courts than non Aborigines.


Kashmir is (was, I was there nearly two decades ago) one of the most beautiful places on earth.

Unregistered
08-23-2002, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by moonwalker
Translated from quran: (not manipulated by me)

Jihad - an act of war against non muslims for the propagation of islam.
there are 3 such wars, and the 3rd war will bring the whole world
under the rule of the great shariya law, the law of islam.

Ghazi - the honorary name given to a muslim when he kills a non muslim
I am a muslim and I have no idea where did you get this translation from because I never heard of it.

If you want to know anything about Islam go to this site http://english.islamway.com/

If you want the translation of the Holy Qur'an go here http://english.islamway.com/sindex.php?section=erecitorslist

vasanth
08-23-2002, 09:02 AM
I am an Indian here... Isee a lot of so called kashmiri experts here.. one saying he know more than the other and the other saying it is a game of tit for tat.. Well i say let all the world leaders shut their ass and leave us alone to settle our issue for once for all.......

The world tells us to talk peace.. but amerioca jumps to war why did it not talk peace with Osama...

Every time there was a war like situation.. India sent home pakistan officials with honour requesting them politely but pakistan always arrested indian officials from the Indian embasy in pakistan and sent them home with broken legs and hands... How i wish this onece happens to American officials..(America will instantly jump to war and preach peace to everyone..)

It looks like America is more comfortable with a fundamental dictatorship country than with the worlds largest democracy... Well i ask god to put all American ass in pakistan for a month before they talk....