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Govtcheez
07-19-2002, 01:55 PM
I know we've had this discussion before, but one thing I've never heard before is the reason people say things like "wut" instead of "what", "ppl" instead of "people", and so on.

Is it really that fscking difficult to hit two extra keys and avoid sounding like a retard (Klinerr, I'm looking in your direction)???

I mean, I don't know the average typing speed in here, but I type ~50-60 words a minute, and I've always considered myself a little on the slow side. Even so, that means the time saved in typing "wut" instead of "what" is all of a fifth of a second or so...

C_Coder
07-19-2002, 01:59 PM
Agreed, what difference does a couple of seconds make to a message board anyway? It's not like it's a fast moving chat room with a couple of hundred pre-teens on speed.

Prelude
07-19-2002, 02:03 PM
>Is it really that fscking difficult to hit two extra keys and avoid sounding like a retard
When I see someone typing like that I'm not sure if they are simply trying to be different and failing at it, or they simply don't have decent enough spelling and grammer to type well. Usually I'll assume the latter for lack of information. I seriously doubt that it is because they want to type faster, it probably has something to do with trying to be a 1337 h@x0r. :D

-Prelude

Govtcheez
07-19-2002, 02:07 PM
> It's not like it's a fast moving chat room with a couple of hundred pre-teens on speed.

Well, I'm disappointed. I guess I should cancel my account.

> When I see someone typing like that I'm not sure if they are simply trying to be different and failing at it, or they simply don't have decent enough spelling and grammer to type well.

I think it's usually pretty apparent. I mean - compare Gamegod's posts (which are just spelled poorly), to someone saying "u r teh sux!". I think the difference is obvious.

DavidP
07-19-2002, 02:07 PM
wut u talkin bout? i dunno...i kinda like dis short chat lang stuff. it makes it much easier for ppl to talk..hahaha :D

The Dog
07-19-2002, 02:07 PM
I thnk tht ppl wu r addicted to snding mssgs via a mobile phne
tend to use th same syntax on mssg brds.:D :D

Prelude
07-19-2002, 02:10 PM
>I think the difference is obvious.
You do have to consider that if someone types fast then they may make a mistake. Things like teh and haev should be written off as failure to proof-read and not any lack of knowledge. Also, if english is not your native language then grammatical errors should be tolerated to a point.

-Prelude

Zeeshan
07-19-2002, 02:10 PM
The members of this board aren't just members of this board...they also participate in chats etc...

in doing so we develop a specific style which becomes a habit... i dont think theres anythink wrong with using short-forms/abbrev. .. the main point is 2 get ur message through ..

Govtcheez
07-19-2002, 02:15 PM
> the main point is 2 get ur message through ..

The problem (as adrian has pointed out many-a-time before) is that sometimes the phoenetic spellings don't get the message across to people who don't have English as their first language.

Also - would you write an email to a co-worker saying "i dun think ur right"?

> You do have to consider that if someone types fast then they may make a mistake. Things like teh and haev should be written off as failure to proof-read and not any lack of knowledge. Also, if english is not your native language then grammatical errors should be tolerated to a point.

I agree - I make typos all the time (I usually correct them, but that's because I'm pathetic and have nothing better to do than complain about people's grammar on the Internet). However, I still the difference between someone who doesn't speak English well or makes typos is different than 1337 h@x0r speak is obvious.

Govtcheez
07-19-2002, 02:19 PM
This illustrates what I'm talking about, Prelude...

13375P33K or typos? You decide...

http://www.rinkworks.com/badmovie/m/hackers.1995.shtml

Prelude
07-19-2002, 02:19 PM
>they also participate in chats etc...
Understandable, I spend a lot of time in chat rooms as well.

>in doing so we develop a specific style which becomes a habit
You should note that people take you more seriously if your style is based on proper written english.

>the main point is 2 get ur message through
Which is why most of us don't spend time complaining about it. If we understand the meaning then there isn't a problem.

>13375P33K or typos? You decide...
It appears to be a meshing of Ebonics, leet speak, White-Ebonics, and idiot. ;)

-Prelude

The Dog
07-19-2002, 02:21 PM
I think that using the shortened form is a way for people to show other members that they know the lingo. Perhaps they want to feel "accepted" in the company of other members.

Although I don't full agree, it's just an open opinion.

salvelinus
07-19-2002, 02:22 PM
My niece in Florida does that. She's incredibly smart, takes college classes at Georgetown in the summer before she has a drivers license.
But read her e-mail? Sometimes I can decipher it, sometimes I can't. It really makes me wonder if she's as smart as she's supposed to be. I have to believe the high schools in Tallahassee don't accept that lingo on exams and papers. At least I hope so. Florida's not known for getting ideas across clearly ("Punch the hole next to the candidate of your choice").

Prelude
07-19-2002, 02:25 PM
>Florida's not known for getting ideas across clearly ("Punch the hole next to the candidate of your choice").
Perhaps it isn't as much the message as the people reading it. That simple instruction makes perfect sense to me and I have no doubt I could follow it even at a hectic time like the election.

-Prelude

-KEN-
07-19-2002, 02:39 PM
I've got two of those ballots still, and holy cow they couldn't be simpler even if it was pre-punched for you or write-in. These 5 billion year old democrats just think that they deserve to win...so why not make up an excuse!

Anyhow, where'd you find that link? Jeffk? :)

MethodMan
07-19-2002, 03:01 PM
Are people so afraid to lose a few precious seconds of their life if they type u, instead of you, or l8er instead of later, etc. They are just lazy. I think that type of typing should be left in chats, but if people are so accustomed to it, and it makes it easier to use their lingo, im all for it.

Dual-Catfish
07-19-2002, 03:24 PM
I see it as practice, experience, the more I type the better I get. Within the last year or so I learned to use all my fingers :)

Also, I can't stand people who type like that... although I find the more experience someone has with the internet, the less abbreviations are used.

Also, most don't realize what morons they look like... and most of them probably don't care. (Like those who use the internet souly for Chat, Gamez, Porn)

salvelinus
07-19-2002, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Prelude
>Florida's not known for getting ideas across clearly ("Punch the hole next to the candidate of your choice").
Perhaps it isn't as much the message as the people reading it. That simple instruction makes perfect sense to me and I have no doubt I could follow it even at a hectic time like the election.

-Prelude
Yes, I was just taking an easy shot at Florida. There was enough other election hijinks there to make my post a cheap shot. Sad when an election comes down to hijacking a few hundred votes (no matter who you believe hijacked/tried to hijack them).
Maybe it's because I was a Humanities major at college (uni, for you Brits), but I see no reason people in/coming out of/done with high school (don't know what you Brits call it - A levels?) can't string together a reasonable sentence with reasonable spelling. Not perfect. Just fairly understandable.
The chat level stuff just makes you look stupid, and a neophyte AOL'er. If you post to the board, presumably you want to be understood by others. Use understandable language.


Mr Grumpy Language Man

mithrandir
07-19-2002, 06:08 PM
Online chatting is so passť. How many times can one be asked "a/s/l" and not feel like venting his/her frustrations in the form of some well selected profanities?

lightatdawn
07-19-2002, 06:10 PM
Personally I actually find it easier (and thus faster) to type 'later' over 'l8er'. I have simular results with various other 'short cuts'. I type somewhere around 70-75 words per minute but only when I'm not trying. The fingers know what to do. When actually thinking about the words, I tend to slow down.

I feel that since we're communicating in an already limited medium, why would we wish to further reduce the information we convey? Abbreviating the hell out of everything causes the sentance to lose all sense of flow.

Excessive use of non-intuitive whitespace, extremly long elipses, and repetetive exclamation or quesion marks will also cause an electronic conversation to feel abrupt and fractured.

But what the heck; If I can read it, I dont really care. It just feels like more of a real conversation (and thus, a real person on the other end of the cable) when the commuication flows nicely.

The Dog
07-19-2002, 06:17 PM
This is off the point but does anyone know of any typing apps that teach you type properly?

Hammer
07-19-2002, 06:19 PM
>This is off the point but does anyone know of any typing apps that teach you type properly?
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=typing+tutor+software
:)

Betazep
07-19-2002, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by The Dog
This is off the point but does anyone know of any typing apps that teach you type properly?

I am sorry, but it is 'typing applications'.... ;)

[humorous sarcasm]

Please do not shorten words because it makes Govtcheez very mad, and we all know the world revolves around him.

[/humorous sarcasm]

:) ;)


(I have been feeling ZESTY lately.)

Dual-Catfish
07-19-2002, 09:43 PM
> (I have been feeling ZESTY lately.)

One entry found for zesty.

Main Entry: zesty
Pronunciation: 'zes-tE
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): zest∑i∑er; -est
Date: 1930
: having or characterized by zest

fox
07-19-2002, 10:02 PM
I'm glad someone finally did a post on this. Sometimes it is easy to tell by the word and the mistake if it's just a typing error. If it's just a person's style, then I usually don't mind as long as the meaning is clear. However, if the meaning is not clear, I lose interest fast and don't care to keep reading.

-fox

doubleanti
07-20-2002, 12:17 AM
>One entry found for zesty.

Main Entry: zesty
Pronunciation: 'zes-tE
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): zest∑i∑er; -est
Date: 1930
: having or characterized by zest<

Oh really? Sheesh I that was character of a half eaten banana section of a make-shift David in contraposto!!! Wow, phew... thanks for clarifying!

billholm
07-20-2002, 02:35 AM
Hey I dont consider it laziness. Imagine trying to type every last character if your beating the time limit alloted to you by the manager of the Internet cafe you're in. nyway, the ideas are still understandable even when expressed in such shortcut method. :)

Shortcuts are necessary. If you can't finish what you're typing, then you might as well not type it at all. :rolleyes:

Shiro
07-20-2002, 03:56 AM
>The members of this board aren't just members of this
>board...they also participate in chats etc...

Not all.

Posts in which the mentioned "words" like ppl are sometimes hard for me to understand, note that English is not my first language and I'm not the only one. I can imagine that a lot of people like me, who have just little mastering of the English language and who aren't familiar with the chat-language are confused when they see things like that.

This doesn't mean that I am against using such words, but it makes things often harder to understand.