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mfc2themax
09-29-2001, 10:34 PM
I wanted to upgrade one of my machines to 768MB of RAM, it currently uses 256MB, however my motherboard says it can only handle up to 384.... what happens if i put more than the motherboard says it can handle?

doubleanti
09-29-2001, 10:37 PM
maybe it just can't recognize 256 meg DIMMs...

mfc2themax
09-29-2001, 10:38 PM
DIMM, SIMM, its all too much. I hate hardware......

doubleanti
09-29-2001, 10:51 PM
haha... you can tell this guy was raised on software...

hardware first i say! [reference to an old post o mine...]

mithrandir
09-29-2001, 11:26 PM
It won't read more than what your motherboard allows. Even then, that is only a guide - it may not read 384Mb. So you either put up with 256 or buy a new mobo.

mfc2themax
09-30-2001, 04:31 AM
Well the RAM was $45 bucks, not much at all so i decided to give it shot.... the problem was that i couldnt even get it to snap into the memory slot. So im stuck, better call someone that knows about all this horrific hard-ware stuff...

Carlos
09-30-2001, 05:10 AM
Well the RAM was $45 bucks, not much at all so i decided to give it shot.... the problem was that i couldnt even get it to snap into the memory slot.

:D

You'd better take a look at your motherboard's documentation, before you buy *anything*.

E.g. you buy some RAMBUS mem. modules, but you have slots for SDRAM only, or a PCI 2.2 card, while your motherboard supports only PCI 2.1 standard.

I once enabled memory ECC in the BIOS, while there was normal SDRAM module in the board - as a result, Windows freezed every 5-10 minutes in average.
Newer BIOS-es come with lot of stuff and settings, which are poorly documented.
Though, if you optimize the setup settings, the speed of your computer can grow with 10-30%(not speaking of overclocking :))!


DIMM, SIMM, its all too much. I hate hardware......
That's because some of you, guys, started programming in a visual environment, with 4GL ("Wow, great, I made my first program without touching the keyboard!" :)).
I once had a discussion with Sunlight (btw, where is he?). My opinion was that everybody should start programming "from scratch", e.g. with Assembly (we used to make programs even using the good, old debugger).

Nowadays, Universities don't really seem to prepare real informaticians, but M$-library technicians instead (you guys here are of course exceptions, at least, hope so ;)), who know all WinAPI and MFC stuff, and nothing more.

Try some ASM, program ports directly, beep the speaker, flash the keyboard leds, make some DOS TSR-s, try to understand and debug a virus' code, and you'll feel the real joy of programming!
The lowest level!

Unfortunately, in the professional world, you won't have much success with Assembly, but you'll feel how it really works! That's it.

gamegod3001
09-30-2001, 03:01 PM
> once had a discussion with Sunlight (btw, where is he?).

He is esss, athough he has yet to confirm it. But I know who he is.

mfc2themax
09-30-2001, 05:37 PM
>Try some ASM, program ports directly, beep the speaker, flash the keyboard leds, make some DOS TSR-s, try to understand and debug a virus' code, and you'll feel the real joy of programming!
The lowest level!

Unfortunately, in the professional world, you won't have much success with Assembly, but you'll feel how it really works! That's it.<

I've messed with ASM, evil language...... :D

mithrandir
09-30-2001, 05:45 PM
If you put more RAM in than is allowed, it won't read it, and it will cause problems.

cozman
09-30-2001, 08:14 PM
my friend had an emachines (ewww.. non-custom computer) and we tried to install some "extra" ram (it said the max was 256 we were going for 512) well after looking for a way to do it for about an hour i pulled off a metal cover and guess what it was... Another Ram Slot!!! if you happen to have one of those factory built things you may wanna see if they're just trying to scam you into sending it in to them to remove a flimsy metal thing.

doubleanti
09-30-2001, 08:18 PM
>(ewww.. non-custom computer)

agreed...

>Another Ram Slot!!!

geezeus... i've never heard that kind of story... neato...

Carlos
10-01-2001, 04:13 AM
if you happen to have one of those factory built things you may wanna see if they're just trying to scam you into sending it in to them to remove a flimsy metal thing.

That's definitely weird, really. On the other hand, in the PC-world, you won't find such "tricks" ;).
If the hardware manufacturer says, your motherboard can handle only 256Mbytes of RAM, then it won't handle more. It's all hardware stuff, so don't try to discover a "hidden" memory slot :D.

The software part (mean there BIOS) has improved, since flash-ROMs are used for BIOS storage. Sometimes, you don't have to buy a new motherboard if the old one cannot handle newer devices, just do a BIOS-update/upgrade (Warning, can be risky, not for novice users!). I'd recommend a uninterruptable power supply in case you start a flash-BIOS upgrade.

Finally, I'd recommend you a new motherboard, for 100$ you can buy a good one, which will satisfy your needs (as a programmer).

mol
10-01-2001, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Carlos



That's because some of you, guys, started programming in a visual environment, with 4GL ("Wow, great, I made my first program without touching the keyboard!" :)).
I once had a discussion with Sunlight (btw, where is he?). My opinion was that everybody should start programming "from scratch", e.g. with Assembly (we used to make programs even using the good, old debugger).

Nowadays, Universities don't really seem to prepare real informaticians, but M$-library technicians instead (you guys here are of course exceptions, at least, hope so ;)), who know all WinAPI and MFC stuff, and nothing more.

I was just having a discussion with my boss about something similar. New programmers are not being taught with any consistency today.

I decided to hit the college trail and actually get a real degree (since the company wants to pay for it) and I was grief stricken when in my first 'c' language class the professor says: "Dont use a short data type...in fact, just use floats. Todays machines have enough ram. This way you wont run into problems."

I wanted to scream! I had always heard that this type of crap was being taught, but I never really believed it.

Anyway, just thought I would share my disgust with academia.

doubleanti
10-01-2001, 04:36 PM
yes yes, ground up to a point... (which point, i don't know... somewhere around DOS...)

oh, and hey everybody... i still need more ideas on the BEHOLD! thread... bring it alive again!!!