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lightatdawn
07-12-2002, 01:25 PM
I'm sitting here eating lunch and reading the back of a "cold and hot compress"; The thing you freeze or heat up to put on injuries. Anyhow, I notice this line: "Though non-toxic, this product is not intended to be eaten."

WTF!? I should make a poll on this: Who here would eat a cold-pack? Mmm-mmm jelly goodness.

Slogans:

"Relieve sore muscles and hunger pangs at the same time!"
"You'll feel better! ... And it tastes good too!"
"Now in new strawberry goo flavour."

But the sad part is, they take the public for idiots because; fact: The public are idiots. The reason so much stuff has these moronic warnings is because people do moronic things with products.

In another thread C_Coder suggests stupid people should be made to wear signs. I suggest that anyone who puts their dog in the microwave to warm it up and then sues the manufacturer for not warning them, needs to be shot. Stop them from peeing in the gene pool.

Govtcheez
07-12-2002, 01:38 PM
Amen, brotha...

Kinda the same reason they put warning labels on hairdryers - "Do not use while sleeping"

C_Coder
07-12-2002, 01:38 PM
Talking about stupid signs on packaging, you can buy a packet of peanuts and find the warning "May contain nuts"!!!!!!
Now thats crazy. Surley it should just say "Contains nuts", but no, to cover their asses they only say it may contain nuts, just in case someone finds out what they really put in there.

MethodMan
07-12-2002, 01:40 PM
LMAO

Well I dont know if it is intended for older people, but for kids who may want to eat it, but they wont even be able to read the thing.

It just may be for legal purposes, in case you do eat it and get sick, they can say it was printed on the package not to consume the contents.

incognito
07-12-2002, 01:48 PM
check this out

tgm
07-12-2002, 02:00 PM
Didn't some one here mention the "this product contains nuts" warning on a package of nuts?

The sad thing about warning labels is you know somebody's done whatever it is it warns you about. :)

salvelinus
07-12-2002, 02:25 PM
Ever look at the ingredients for a Slim Jim? Along with various chemical sounding stuff, beek/pork products, etc, is "mechanically separated chicken". What is there in the process that the FDA makes them add "mechanically separated"? The cows get a bolt through the head, eviscerated and quartered, that's ok, but the chickens are "mechanically separated" - that has to be included.
I get this vision of chickens, wings and legs tied to 4 corners of the rack while while the crank is wound until...well, until the notice becomes mandatory.

Dual-Catfish
07-12-2002, 05:01 PM
How about the woman who sued McDonalds because she spilled the coffee on herself and got 3rd degree burns? She complained that there was no warning label saying the god-damned thing being hot! I mean, cmon, it's coffee, i'd at least expect mine to be hot.

The really sad part is she won. Had I been the judge she'd be wearing one of those signs.

Fountain
07-12-2002, 05:07 PM
and....lots of microwave type meals state-CONTENTS MAY BE HOT WHEN HEATED................


Really?

lightatdawn
07-12-2002, 06:52 PM
>>The really sad part is she won. Had I been the judge she'd be wearing one of those signs.

Had I been the judge I would have pummeled her to death with the mallet thingy. I dont care how damn old she was. They could throw the body in my basement with the other old woman who nuked her dog. I'd pour hot coffee on the the both of them.

I think large cartons of arsenic should be placed at ever street corner with the label: "Warning! Poison! May contain Arsenic. Please consume." Then sit back and wait while humanities worst are 'naturally selected'.

>>It just may be for legal purposes

Yes, it is. But thats only because people are so stupid and then they do something so idiotic that even they cant believe it; So they turn around and blame/sue (same thing) somebody else so that they can look better. Its the next closest thing to stealing if you ask me, only worse.

I just get so worked up over this I get such a headache. Its a good thing I have my cold compress. That way, as I sit here typing, I can slurp down the non-toxic smelly goop and nibble on the plastic while I wait for dinner.

dbaryl
07-12-2002, 11:41 PM
>>The really sad part is she won. Had I been the judge she'd be wearing one of those signs.

>>Had I been the judge I would have pummeled her to death with the mallet thingy. I dont care how damn old she was. They could throw the body in my basement with the other old woman who nuked her dog. I'd pour hot coffee on the the both of them.

What about the judge/jury that gives out that decision? I mean, ho dumb does the judge have to be?

Cheeze-It
07-14-2002, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by Dual-Catfish
How about the woman who sued McDonalds because she spilled the coffee on herself and got 3rd degree burns? She complained that there was no warning label saying the god-damned thing being hot! I mean, cmon, it's coffee, i'd at least expect mine to be hot.

The really sad part is she won. Had I been the judge she'd be wearing one of those signs.

That's crap. I'm glad she won. The lid was faulty;
it wasn't placed on tight. How would you like it
if some dork, 15 year old McDonald's employee put
150+ degree liquid in a cup and didn't fasten the
lid on tight? Then that liquid spilled on you
and caused scars? It was McD's fault; not the
woman's.

She didn't sue because it was hot, she sued because
the idiot kid didn't know how to work a lid.
I rapped.

Also, it's "Jeez." Not "Geez." "Jesus." Not "Gesus."

Clyde
07-14-2002, 11:46 AM
"She didn't sue because it was hot, she sued because
the idiot kid didn't know how to work a lid"

What i read said she sued because it was too hot, and as a result MDs have reduced the temperature of their coffee. If she had used an ounce of common sense she wouldnt have put hot coffe on her lap and then driven in the first place.

oh and:

"150+ degree liquid in a cup "

I don't think so.

Dual-Catfish
07-14-2002, 12:00 PM
Even IF the lid wasn't on tight... thats no excuse to spill coffee all over yourself is it? That would deserve an even bigger sign.

Cheeze-It
07-14-2002, 12:50 PM
Yeah, because everybody who spills something on
themselves is an idiot, right? Nice try...

She didn't spill it while driving, she was parked
and it spilled. Whether it was the lid or not*,
she still deserved to be paid, Coffee is suppose
to be hot, yes. But it isn't suppose to be so hot
that it causes 3rd degree burns when it touches
the skin. That's way too hot. Here are the actual
facts:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

Oh, you'll notice that the coffee was between 180
and 190 degrees farenheit. Remember when I said
150+ degrees? Yeah, I was right about that.

*About the lid. I think I got this case confused
with that episode of Seinfeld. You know, where
Kramer spilled coffee on himself because the
lid was faulty...

lightatdawn
07-14-2002, 01:07 PM
>>Yeah, because everybody who spills something on themselves is an idiot, right?

Hmm... Yes. If you spill, you've goofed up. Emphasis: YOU!!!

>>But it isn't suppose to be so hot that it causes 3rd degree burns when it touches the skin.

But wait... *suspense* It is! I dont know about the rest of the world but I do this really cool thing called _boiling_. Yup, boiling. I wonder how hot _boiling_ water gets... Yes, thats right; Pretty damn hot. 100 degrees C (~210 i think (?) in Farenheight) to be more specific.

>>That's crap. I'm glad she won.

I'm sorry she was ever born. What I dont understand is how she lived long enough to be able to purchase a coffee. Not only are we the only species to protect our stupid, but now we reward their non-existant intelect with money. It doesnt pay to be smart, it pays to be a retard with somebody elses product.

C_Coder
07-14-2002, 01:45 PM
*hands lightatdawn a couple of signs*
Go get them buddy

Dual-Catfish
07-14-2002, 01:47 PM
Yeah, because everybody who spills something on
themselves is an idiot, right? Nice try...

She didn't spill it while driving, she was parked
and it spilled. Whether it was the lid or not*,
she still deserved to be paid, Coffee is suppose
to be hot, yes. But it isn't suppose to be so hot
that it causes 3rd degree burns when it touches
the skin. That's way too hot. Here are the actual
facts:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

Oh, you'll notice that the coffee was between 180
and 190 degrees farenheit. Remember when I said
150+ degrees? Yeah, I was right about that.

*About the lid. I think I got this case confused
with that episode of Seinfeld. You know, where
Kramer spilled coffee on himself because the
lid was faulty...
*Hands ethic a sign*



McDonalds also argued that consumers know coffee is hot and that its customers want it that way. The company admitted its customers were unaware that they could suffer third degree burns from the coffee and that a statement on the side of the cup was not a "warning" but a "reminder" since the location of the writing would not warn customers of the hazard.




Also, it's "Jeez." Not "Geez." "Jesus." Not "Gesus."
2 entries found for geez.
To select an entry, click on it.

Main Entry: geez
variant of JEEZ
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
:p

Clyde
07-14-2002, 02:00 PM
"Oh, you'll notice that the coffee was between 180
and 190 degrees farenheit. Remember when I said
150+ degrees? Yeah, I was right about that."

Hehe farenheit, sorry i was thinking centigrade, what the heck is 150 degrees farenheit anyway?

Cheeze-It
07-14-2002, 02:25 PM
>But wait... *suspense* It is! I dont know about
>the rest of the world but I do this really cool
>thing called _boiling_. Yup, boiling. I
>wonder how hot _boiling_ water gets...
>Yes, thats right; Pretty damn hot. 100 degrees C
>(~210 i think (?) in Farenheight) to be more
>specific.

If you drink boiling water, then you're the idiot.
Coffee isn't suppose to be served when it's boiling.
If you think coffee should be served at 210 degrees,
you have problems. According to that link I
posted, it should be around 140 degrees F.

>I'm sorry she was ever born. What I dont
>understand is how she lived long enough to be
>able to purchase a coffee. Not only are we
>the only species to protect our stupid, but now
>we reward their non-existant intelect with money.
>It doesnt pay to be smart, it pays to be a retard
>with somebody elses product.

Read this:


Further, McDonalds' quality assurance manager testified that the company
actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185
degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn
hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above,
and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured
into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn
the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns
would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing
the "holding temperature" of its coffee.


They [McDs} served a dangerous product. Their
own testimony said that at the temperature they
serve their coffee, it would (not could) burn
the mouth and throat.

Lightatdawn, despite what you think, you're not
smarter than most people.

>*Hands ethic a sign*

Hand me a baseball bat, too. I want to beat the
living hell out of you.

That quote you pulled actually helps my argument
more than yours. They admitted that their customers
were unaware that the coffee they serve could
cause 3rd degree burns and may require surgery
if it gets spilled on them. What the hell were
you trying to accomplish with that quote?

I better watch myself. Who knows, Lightatdawn
may pull that crap tactic he has become famous
for. You know, the one where he closes a thread
he disagrees with. But before he closes it, he
makes sure he has the last word. Yeah, great
debate tactic... You should be proud of yourself.


Edit: I don't know why you all are sticking up
for McDonalds. But here are two more sites that
list the facts of the case. After reading them, I
don't know how anybody could still think McDonalds
didn't deserve to get sued.

http://www.consumerrights.net/mcdonalds.html
http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

fyodor
07-14-2002, 02:32 PM
If I had 180 degree coffee spilled on that specific anatomical region I would definitely not be happy. My God, that is painful to even think about.


full thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body, including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin areas.

I mean, even with the wonders of modern surgery, that has to some damage to one's sex life. I don't want to die a virgin *sob* Wait a minute, she was 79. Never mind.

golfinguy4
07-14-2002, 03:22 PM
Clyde, (about) 65.5 degrees celsius/centigrade

lightatdawn
07-14-2002, 05:04 PM
better watch myself. Who knows, Lightatdawn
may pull that crap tactic he has become famous
for. You know, the one where he closes a thread
he disagrees with. But before he closes it, he
makes sure he has the last word.

ethic, my friend, to my knowledge non of the Mods have ever posted the "Last Word" and then proceeded to close the thread. If a thread is closed, however, the Mod who 'done the deed' usually posts to explain the reasons for the closing. I've taken great care to not take a side when closing a thread.

When the coffee is made fresh, its still too hot from the boiling. It can burn you. I dont see why its somebody elses fault when they give you what you asked for. What are they supposed to do? Put it in the cooler until it reaches that 'idiot proof' temperature?

>>They [McDs} served a dangerous product.

I should talk about that. I went to this bar, and when I got my food, they had a knife with it! Do you realise what could happen if I tried to lick that thing? I didnt see one damn warning saying "Do not lick this object.". And yet, somehow, I got through my meal uninjured until I tried to eat the chair cushon which had no warnings to prohibit me from doing so.

Clyde
07-14-2002, 05:30 PM
"Lightatdawn, despite what you think, you're not
smarter than most people."

I really do beg to differ.

"They admitted that their customers
were unaware that the coffee they serve could
cause 3rd degree burns and may require surgery
if it gets spilled on them"

Ethic, you do understand that you are arguing that people have NO RESPONSIBILITY for their own well-being, right?

If i purchase an iron and then burn myself, when i'm ironing my shirt can i then sue the makers of the iron because it was uh... hot?

Dual-Catfish
07-14-2002, 07:12 PM
That quote you pulled actually helps my argument
more than yours.
Heh, believe what you may.


Hand me a baseball bat, too. I want to beat the
living hell out of you.

...

What the hell were
you trying to accomplish with that quote?
Whoah there bud, I think you need to sit down and have a little rest.



They admitted that their customers were unaware that the coffee they serve could cause 3rd degree burns and may require surgery if it gets spilled on them. What the hell were
you trying to accomplish with that quote?

I don't see how the fact that it causes 3rd degree burns even matters. You know the coffee will burn you, so even if it did melt your legs off, you still knew it was hot... so I guess that falls under your own stupidity.

It's one thing to spill hot coffee on yourself, it's another to try and blame someone for your own stupidity. If the woman had made the coffee herself, spilled it and received the same burns... what could she have done then?

Also, I don't see how it could burn your mouth and throat... who the hell would put hot coffee in their mouth? Let alone swallow it. Food *shouldn't* make it past your lips or the tip of your tongue if it's too hot. I say shouldn't, because there's always the exception (ie. The woman who sued)

-KEN-
07-14-2002, 07:18 PM
Speaking of which, I'm planning on suing General Electric for pumping electricity into my home. Do you know how badly I could be hurt if I wet my finger and stick it in a socket? The bastards! How dare they....

golfinguy4
07-14-2002, 09:10 PM
Ken hit the nail right on the head.

DarkStar
07-14-2002, 09:19 PM
Speaking of morons, how about the guy who picked up his lawn mower to trim his bushes and cut off fingers on both hands. He sued the manufacturer and won.

novacain
07-14-2002, 09:57 PM
There are two side to this type of event.

The person who gets hurt using a normal product in an idiotic way, then not taking responsibility for their own actions.

OR

Large corporations keeping litigants in court to try and 'outlast' them at trial. In other words they make it so stressful, embarassing and expensive that you have to give up. Would you gamble your house, car and next ten years wages on a lawsuit? Because it could always go wrong and you have to pay for the corporations team of lawyers.

OK, the coffee was too hot. But it is not MD's problem that the woman could not remove the lid and add some sugar without tipping it all over herself.

But MD's has had up to two people a week complaining of 'coffee burns'. They know that the temperture they use is so hot it burns, even though their market research shows people want to drink it immediately (and the only way to read the warning is to tip the cup on its side). But the coffee retains its taste better if kept for long periods at this temp (ie reduces costs).

So MD's made the choice, to save money rather than provide a 'safe' (insert idiot proof) product. A cup of coffee should not be so hot it needs skin grafts to fix the burns!

MD's could have settled for 1/2 her medical expenses (US$11K), or taken the recommended mediation (US$225K). They took the risk and lost on a jury award (US$480K).

Its a lot in WHO tells the story.

CSR in Australia ran blue Asbsetos mines here. They knew that the fibres caused mesothilioma (sp?) but did nothing. Ten to twenty years later the employees all found they had a few months to years left to live. So the company took advantage of the law that only the employee could sue, not their families (the claim died with the employee). They delayed, postponed, questioned expert advice and generally obstructed until the employees died. Made the govt change the law.

Cheeze-It
07-14-2002, 10:45 PM
Jesus, your peoples' analogies really, really
suck. I'm serious, too.

Even if the lady didn't spill it on herself,
according to McDonald's own testimony -- it was
too hot to drink. It would burn the throat and
mouth.




I don't see how the fact that it causes 3rd degree burns even matters. You know the coffee will burn you, so even
if it did melt your legs off, you still knew it was hot... so I guess that falls under your own stupidity.


Hot, and '3rd degree burn hot' are two different
things. 3rd Degree burns result from being burned
in a fire. They burn away the top layer of skin,
require surgery, and cause people to scar.

McDs had no reason to keep it's coffee temperature
20 degrees above the industry standard. 'Standard.'
That's what most people expect when they get
coffee. If they spill something on themselves (which
everybody does, and I don't believe you people when
you say you're too smart to spill), they dont'
expect anything more than a little mess. Not
$20,000 worth of medical bills.

You people are wrong. Just admit it.

Dual-Catfish
07-14-2002, 11:03 PM
Even if the lady didn't spill it on herself, according to McDonald's own testimony -- it was too hot to drink. It would burn the throat and mouth.

Okay, who the hell is going to take a fresh cup of coffee (which you can tell is extremely hot by holding the cup) and just dump it down their throat? An idiot, that's who.



McDs had no reason to keep it's coffee temperature
20 degrees above the industry standard. 'Standard.'
That's what most people expect when they get
coffee. If they spill something on themselves (which
everybody does, and I don't believe you people when
you say you're too smart to spill), they dont'
expect anything more than a little mess. Not
$20,000 worth of medical bills.

As was stated previously, they kept the coffee at this temperature to retain the taste. I didn't say I was too smart to spill, I implied I was too smart to screw around with scalding hot coffee. I've spilled milk, juice, all kinds of stuff... but you should be at a higher level of conciousness when handling dangerous goods.

Again, I say should, because I cannot comprehend what an idiot is capable of.

On a side note, going along with the lawn mower theme... does anyone remember the man who tried to mow his lawn in the snow, only to have his lawn mower explode and burn 90% of his body?

lightatdawn
07-15-2002, 12:05 AM
... Mow... his lawn... in.... ... the SNOW??? Yet another example of someone who got what was coming to him.

Now I'm not saying I'm too smart/talented to spill something on myself, I'm just saying that if I did so, it would be entirely my fault. Every day we deal with things that are potentially dangerous. All the time. Where will it end? Will we all be walking around in padded rooms with padded floors eating with our hands out of soft plastic contains to large to swallow and choke on?

I do house renovations. I work with a lot of tools. When I buy a hammer, I expect it to be hard. I like it that way. It works better. However, if I drop it on my bare foot, its gonna hurt. I should have been wearing steeltoes. My skillsaw is sharp. It works better when its sharp. But you do realise that I could easily chop things off with it. Do I want the manufacturers to produce blunt skillsaws? Not particularly. That would make my job just a little harder.

The idea is that you use your brain (just a small particle of it will work in most situations) to assess the things around you. It seems everyone wants to be coddled their entire lives; Never having to think for themselves. It makes me sick. Stop trying to blame somebody else. Grow up and own up.

novacain
07-15-2002, 02:40 AM
I don't think this MD's v Burnt Old Lady is a good example. I think MD's did contribute to the accident.

Most accidents are not 100% the fault of one party. Sometimes it takes a concerted team effort for idiots to screw up properly.

I have spilt coffee on my self. I did not have to spend a week in hospital having skin grafts.

MD's knew the coffee was TOO hot, as they have about 1.5 people burn themselves a week.

They knew people wanted it cooler, according to their own market research.

They kept it TOO hot to save money (as it retained the taste longer if they did so).

They could have taken responsibility and paid half the medical bills (even as goodwill / customer relations), or settled at mediation but decided to take the chance and lost.

A good example is;

Lady goes to a party at pub. Drinks too much and is refused service, offered a lift home in pub bus or a taxi, refuses and abuses bar staff. Leaves on foot. Tries to cross road and gets run over, by person traveling within speed limit.

Judge awards nearly Au$500K againt pub and driver. Thankfully we are reasonably sane here and is over turned on appeal.

If you take drugs (including alchol) and do something stupid or illegal, it is not the drugs fault, it is totally your fault. We have let lawyers convince us (and the courts) that we are all victims and we have no personal responsibility.

Cheeze-It
07-15-2002, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Clyde
"Lightatdawn, despite what you think, you're not
smarter than most people."

I really do beg to differ.



That's because you're in love with him.

Govtcheez
07-15-2002, 10:14 AM
This is why I drink Frappucino. No one ever got burned by a 40 degree (F) caramel mocha drink spilling in their laps! You never hear about people careening off the road as a Slurpee severly scalds them, do you? No! Prohibit hot beverages!

lightatdawn
07-15-2002, 10:15 AM
>>Judge awards nearly Au$500K againt pub and driver. Thankfully we are reasonably sane here and is over turned on appeal.

Unfortunatly not so sane in the States. A woman goes to an office christmas party. Open bar and everything is free. She has some drinks. I believe there was even a shuttle service provided free of charge but she decides to drive home. Gets in an accident... And then sues here employer for letting her drive!!! She wins (partially).


If you take drugs (including alchol) and do something stupid or illegal, it is not the drugs fault, it is totally your fault. We have let lawyers convince us (and the courts) that we are all victims and we have no personal responsibility.

Ahmen, brotha! ;)

raimo
07-15-2002, 10:18 AM
Well, the thing here is that you cannot be 100 % sure what the judge thinks when making a decision. But even if the coffee was dangerously hot the lady knew that MD did not sell it to her for spilling it on herself!

salvelinus
07-15-2002, 10:19 AM
McD's shouldn't have served coffee at or near boiling is the point. Take Ken's electricity analogy. It's ok as presented, but what if the power company decided to save $ by not adding transformers to step the voltage down before it got to his house. Now, assuming the house doesn't burn down first, Ken plugs in his Dell and whamo! Kentucky Fried Ken. Heck, everyone knows, or should, that electrity is dangerous. Should you hand Ken the idiot sign, or does the power company have some responsibility here?
You cook some foods by boiling. You don't serve it boiling. Unless you're an idiot.

Cheeze-It
07-15-2002, 10:26 AM
Thank you novacain. Finally, someone to side with
me. Finally, someone who isn't filled with so
much unrequited admiration for Lightatdawn, they're
willing to form an opinion that differs from his.

Most of you people need become less-obsessed with
Lightatdawn. I'm so much cooler than he is, follow
me instead. I'm the leader; I'm always the leader.



ethic, my friend, to my knowledge non of the Mods have ever posted the "Last Word" and then proceeded to close
the thread. If a thread is closed, however, the Mod who 'done the deed' usually posts to explain the reasons for
the closing. I've taken great care to not take a side when closing a thread.

First of all, I'm not your friend. I'm your arch
nemesis. Remember that, because next time I'm
in Canada, you had better keep your doors locked.

Yeah, like Canadians even have doors...

Second, maybe you don't make sure you get the last
word, but you always say something that annoys me
right before you close it. That's just as bad. I
don't like being annoyed.

XSquared
07-15-2002, 10:30 AM
>Yeah, like Canadians even have doors...

Actually, we do... they're just made of snow, and have to be replaced monthly.

>Remember that, because next time I'm in Canada, you had better keep your doors locked.

I can't lock it, but my vicious guard seals will keep you away.

Clyde
07-15-2002, 11:04 AM
"I think MD's did contribute to the accident"

I on the other hand do not; I think its farcial that MDs be sued because someone spilt coffee over themselves. It was about as hot as people's coffee at home, atleast most people i know tend to BOIL the kettle then pour the water into the coffee mug = boiling hot coffee.

So basically MDs was sued for having coffee as hot as most people have it at home........LAME.

Cheeze-It
07-15-2002, 11:16 AM
>know tend to BOIL the kettle then pour the
>water into the coffee mug

Jeez, get a Coffee Maker, Amishboy.

They let it cool down. They know it's hot. When
you buy something at a resturaunt, it's suppose
to be ready to consume. That's the whole point
of the resturaunt business. You're not suppose
to order your food, then wait 10 minutes for it
to cool down. You buy it, then eat (or drink) it.

Fast Food, duh...

Clyde
07-15-2002, 11:46 AM
"Jeez, get a Coffee Maker, Amishboy"

..... you see, i don't need one because i'm not so incompetant that i spill coffee on myself everytime i go to drink some.

"When you buy something at a resturaunt, it's suppose
to be ready to consume."

Alot of people LIKE their coffee hot, in-fact several of my friends prefered MDs coffee the way it was (no they didn't gulp it down, presumeably they sipped it).

Besides that is irrelevant, whether or not the coffee is to hot to drink immediately, is not the point, MDs were sued for serving a dangerous product, when in fact it's no more dangerous than the coffee i and many other people make at home!

Absurd.

Cshot
07-15-2002, 11:51 AM
If I spilled coffee on myself I'd expect to be injured. But to get 3rd degree burns and spend the week in the hospital? Come on!

If I spilled that kind of coffee on my groin, I'd sue them also.

Dual-Catfish
07-15-2002, 12:05 PM
>know tend to BOIL the kettle then pour the
>water into the coffee mug

Jeez, get a Coffee Maker, Amishboy.

They let it cool down. They know it's hot. When
you buy something at a resturaunt, it's suppose
to be ready to consume. That's the whole point
of the resturaunt business. You're not suppose to order your food, then wait 10 minutes for it
to cool down. You buy it, then eat (or drink) it.

Fast Food, duh...


Funny, in almost every single post you make it a point to insult someone. Either a kettle or a coffee maker, the water still gets boiled... so what is the difference?

No, it's not. Infact, it's not supposed to be anything. If I order something hot off the grill (oven, broiler, whatever) I expect to have to wait before eating it. I'm not going to complain that my food is too hot, i'm going to complain if they take too long getting it to me. Let me decide when it's cool enough to eat.

Oh, really? When did you become the expert on this? I'd expect these "facts" to vary from place to place (restaurant to restaurant)

Cheeze-It
07-15-2002, 01:13 PM
>>Funny, in almost every single post you make it a
>>point to insult someone.

Amishboy isn't an insult. If you're still using
a kettle to make coffee... Besides, I love the
amish. They're so cool.

But yeah, you're right. I should apologize to Clyde...

I'm sorry, Clyde. My anger was wrongfully directed
at you. It should've been directed at Dual-Catfish.
I thought a post he made was made by you. He was
the one who 'handed me a sign.' And that was the
first insult...

lightatdawn
07-15-2002, 01:26 PM
Lets not let this thread turn into who insulted who and who first and what for. Also lets try to put and end to the name calling.

>>Jeez, get a Coffee Maker, Amishboy

A lot of people prefer to do it themselves as some prefer the added control and will tell you that it makes better coffee. I'm not that much of a coffee addict but theres plenty of other reasons for not having a coffee maker anyhow. I dont have one. Dont drink enough of it to make it worth buying one.

>>If I spilled that kind of coffee on my groin, I'd sue them also.

So who would you sue if your friend makes you a cup and you spill it on yourself?

>>Most of you people need become less-obsessed with Lightatdawn.

Though I'm honoured that you think I'm so 'admired', I would really appreciate it if you kept these kind of comments to yourself. Though I'm not easily offended I find it irritating that you attempt to demean other people in this thread who have an alternate point to you own.


>>I can't lock it, but my vicious guard seals will keep you away.

Full time seal guards?! Damn you. I can only afford the part-time patrolling rent-an-eskimo.

>>First of all, I'm not your friend.

Sure, whatever you say, bud. You're just in denial. ;)

Cheeze-It
07-15-2002, 01:30 PM
Here's the real problem. Each and every one of you
formed an opinion of the case before you actually
knew the facts. None of you knew that she had
to have surgery, that she had $20,000 in medical
expenses, that McDonalds knew the coffee was too
hot to drink...

You all stated your opinions before knowing the
facts. God forbid that any of you super elite,
highly intelligent programmers be wrong. You people
can't handle that can you? Nope, your intelligence
is all you have. You can't let some nobody take
that away from you. This is why you're all saying
the exact same thing. You're all too arrogant.

Here, I'll make it easy for you. Hopefully this
will put this stupid thread to an end (Jesus, I
can't believe I'm wasting my prescious television-
watching time arguing about Mcdonalds; a place that
I don't even eat at)...

...I'm wrong. You're all right. You're all Gods.
You're the smartest people alive. Nerds rule! One
day you'll take over the planet and be the boss
of everyone who ever disagreed with you.

I'm done with this thread. I prefer Dr. Pepper
for my Caffeine addiction, anyway. Damnit! I just
spilled it all over my desk!..

lightatdawn
07-15-2002, 01:35 PM
>>God forbid that any of you super elite, highly intelligent programmers be wrong

You know, you're the only one claiming this. Nobody else [in this thread] has even hinted at the fact that they are superior [to you].

>>You're all too arrogant.

I can make assumptions about you too. Whether they are true or not would be a little more difficult to prove.

>>and be the boss of everyone who ever disagreed with you.

I dont understand why you're taking this personally. I'm disagreeing with your opinion, I'm not making attacks upon your character.

>>Mcdonalds; a place that I don't even eat at

Dito. Never have. Never will.

C_Coder
07-15-2002, 02:04 PM
Wow, you sound kind of sensitive on the subject ethic. Wasn't you was it?