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moemen ahmed
07-05-2002, 02:30 PM
Was wondering friends , which OS you prefer??????

i work with windows, but none can deny the big success of Linux
so vote ppl please for your favorite one, providing your reasons and your point of view beside your thoughts about the future of both OS...........

thanks for all of u !


(please be clear and provide reasons in a reply to gain benefites of ur opinion , thanks in advance :)

sean345
07-05-2002, 03:38 PM
I work with windows. I prefer Linux, but because most of my favorite games are for Windows I run windows at home as well.

- Sean

Sentaku senshi
07-05-2002, 04:59 PM
I would like to formaly annonce that I don't feel like debating OSes at this time, and am going to remain nutrual.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Sentaku Senshi

Xmevs
07-05-2002, 06:25 PM
I voted linux because:

- It's open source
- It has no restrictions (in terms of restrictions in the microsoft-way)
- Security over user-friendlyness (although some linux-distros has become very user-friendly the last few years, developers have not given a damn about security (now I can hide my porn pics from my younger brothers :D))
- There are many different distributions, but the performance is not necessarily different.

Govtcheez
07-05-2002, 06:43 PM
I would like to formaly annonce that I don't feel like debating OSes at this time, and am going to remain nutrual.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Sentaku SenshiI'd just like to post to say I don't have anything to say.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Sentaku Senshi

sean
07-05-2002, 07:02 PM
Well I'm a 50/50 - I voted for Linux because I think they have really good program design, but I'd prefer to use Windows just because, like my evil twin (Sean345) said, it's a lot more widespread.

Sentaku senshi
07-05-2002, 08:06 PM
>I'd just like to post to say I don't have anything to say.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Sentaku Senshi<

:::Pulls out sword::::

I dont' think -Ken- will be your freind in a few momments. ;)

Govtcheez
07-05-2002, 09:53 PM
> I dont' think -Ken- will be your freind in a few momments.

Um.... ok. (ethic has that in his title, not me :p)

dbaryl
07-05-2002, 10:12 PM
Windows_vs._Linux_Threads++

...but I pick Windows for the games :)

MethodMan
07-05-2002, 10:49 PM
Ive always used windows, and have recently just started using Linux, but I would love to someday have a computer with Linux as the only OS.

moemen ahmed
07-05-2002, 11:38 PM
It's open source


what do u mean by this? more details please
thank you

oskilian
07-06-2002, 12:10 AM
Either. I really prefer real UNIX, such as BSD,or my favorite: Solaris

But If I have to choose between them two, I would take windows, because there's a little bit of everything in it (concerning software)

Oskilian

Shiro
07-06-2002, 02:49 AM
>It's open source

Moemen Ahmed, open source means that you can view and even get the source-code of the software.

I'm using a lot of operating systems and I have no real preference. Each has its aspects which make it more useful, not necessarily better, for specific tasks. For example, having Windows run on your machine is useful because there is a huge amount of software for that OS. But for use in an embedded device I would prefer an OS like VxWorks, QNX or OS9000.

-KEN-
07-06-2002, 11:50 AM
Huh? What do I have to do with anything?

no-one
07-06-2002, 01:01 PM
Linux, why?

Windows is not modular, and thats bad programming practice. MS, even claimed modularity with windows was impossible!! So, my vote goes to Linux.

NOTE: if you don't believe me read their statements in the anti-trust case with the 9 states, don't ask me cause i'm not hunting it down for you, or supporting any kind of arguement.

Pendragon
07-06-2002, 02:40 PM
I like both Windows and Linux (and Windows v. Linux threads too;)). However, for the record, I vote Windows (but *only* post-Win2kPro versions). There is a hell of a lot more software, it's reliable and customisable(as is Linux, for that matter), has a good filing system (NTFS) and I never need to recompile the kernal.

Though it would be nice if companies would write better drivers for 2kPro.

SilentStrike
07-06-2002, 08:42 PM
Windows is modular, they are just simply lying in attempt to confuse dumb people. If it were non-modular, it would simply be unmaintainable. That would mean understanding parts of the code in isolation to other parts (modules) would be impossible.

Just because it's not distrubuted in pieces (thou shalt have IE and Outlook when you install WinXP), doesn't mean it can't be.

That said, I think Linux is a more programmer friendly enviroment.

TravisS
07-06-2002, 10:07 PM
I like linux, and I was really impressed with the most recent version I used (red hat 7.1). It had more standard drivers for my equipment than Win ME did. Linux is getting easier and easier to use, which will help bring it to the masses (even auto drive mounting!), but untill it reaches the compatibilty of Windows, it will remain in the background.

So, with the help of XP (I love this OS), and very good compatibility, I voted for Windows. I also have ME installed (yuck) for the most compatibilty I can get, but linux beats out ME hand down in almost every category.

moemen ahmed
07-07-2002, 02:06 PM
Soooooo winsdows scored double score to Linux till now !!!

wondering is this how its really is on the ground of truth?????

Troll_King
07-07-2002, 03:26 PM
I started out with MS Windows. I didn't know that there were any choices expect for perhaps Apple at that time. At any rate I find Win2k much more stable than Win9X. Win2k is a good OS for playing around on but I am very dissapointed with the development environments and the fact that it is extremely difficult to use standard C++, so it doesn't meet my purpose for learning that language definition.

I have outgrown Win2k, and having discovered Linux RH 7.3, I'm moving over to work on Linux. The KDE desktop is very nice. I can see some small room for improvement, however my focus is on learning how to program and I want to become further acquainted with gcc as well as the various widget toolkits. Since I don't want to dump out millions of dollars for servers on the Microsoft OS I'm definately going to use Linux. When I am satisfied with the products than I will send them money, but not before. I would like to make a contribution to open source, but the real reason why Linux is much better is realted to enterprise use and academic advancement. It is the best OS to learn how to program, there is no question. In some ways I see no need for Linux to become too popular with home users.

Sentaku senshi
07-07-2002, 04:41 PM
Dean? The GNU compilers are avalible for windows also, and the GNU compilers meet the C++ Spacifications as good as Visual C++ 6. Borland Builder 5 and Visual C++.net meet them the best.

Troll_King
07-08-2002, 04:38 AM
I was personally recommended to use GNU GCC by Bjarne Stroustrup. Well a slight clarification. First he recommended UNIX but than he said use Linux gcc at this time. We also talked about VS.net. He called manged C++.net half baked and said that unmanaged C++.net an improvement however not complete.

He described Win2k Professional as poorly documented. He does not have a copy of WinXP only Win2k Pro.

netboy
07-08-2002, 06:47 AM
I'm on Windows. I've been Linux before... I believe that Linux is slightly better than Windows.. In terms of stability, of course.

But I voted for Windows because there's no doubt that Windows will still remain the OS in command for another few years since ppl are very used to it's interface. Switching from Windows to Linux is a pain but once you're used to Linux, you're in total control.... :p

You see.... Computer manufacturers worldwide still include Windows as the OS when distributing PCs...:rolleyes:

Sentaku senshi
07-08-2002, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Troll_King
I was personally recommended to use GNU GCC by Bjarne Stroustrup. Well a slight clarification. First he recommended UNIX but than he said use Linux gcc at this time. We also talked about VS.net. He called manged C++.net half baked and said that unmanaged C++.net an improvement however not complete.

He described Win2k Professional as poorly documented. He does not have a copy of WinXP only Win2k Pro.

I think Bjarne Stroustrup is a little bit biased. Just a tad bit, since C, C++ and the Unix OS were created by witch companys? AT&T and AT&T, and AT&T.

Linux as I recal was created because there was no UNIX for the x86 proccesor. It and Unix are closley related.

thanks for your time,
Sentaku Senshi

Troll_King
07-08-2002, 03:49 PM
You see.... Computer manufacturers worldwide still include Windows as the OS when distributing PCs...


That's because Microsoft threatens them. They can not sell MS Windows and Linux duel boot systems. It is against the Microsoft licensing agreement. This however will not last forever. Microsoft policy is razor thin. In some ways though I do not want Linux to get tooo popular.

VBprogrammer
07-08-2002, 04:01 PM
The reason Windows is still distributed with PCs is because most of the people who buy PC are dumb computer illiterate numbskulls, who simply couldnt deal with the complexities of the Linux operating system. Also the drivers distributed with hardware are no good for Linux, no computer manufacturer in there right mind would sit on the internet for hours trying to find a driver which works with that hardware and doesnt screw the system every 5 minutes!

novacain
07-08-2002, 11:27 PM
>>The reason Windows is still distributed with PCs is because most of the people who buy PC are dumb computer illiterate numbskulls, who simply couldnt deal with the complexities of the Linux operating system.

Please send me more of these little WAGE paying gems. Without them we (those of us who do this for a living) would not get paid.

I don't like fixing your PC, but I do like getting paid for it.

I will use whatever OS my customers PAY me to write code for, don't realy care which.

moemen ahmed
07-08-2002, 11:58 PM
ok ppl......after these long discussions I think i ll like to try linux beside windows, as it seems worth it

but i cant download it, many problems r up to me

anyone knows where to download it ?

Troll_King
07-09-2002, 12:04 AM
I downloaded Linux Red Hat 7.3. There were 3 iso images, each one should be burnt to a cdr disk but download them to your hard disk first than burn each one. If you are using adaptec software than choose from the file menue, burn as iso image. Than simply insert the first cd and reboot your computer. You will enter the install screen. It is not difficult to install, however the best way to do it is to install it on a separate hard drive. I have a duel boot setup, one drive has Win2k pro and the other Linux, when I reboot, a linux bootloader called GRUB allows me to choose what OS to run. See the Linux board for links to download sites, they are called mirrors. I downloaded mine from a tucows server.

moemen ahmed
07-09-2002, 12:14 AM
may i get the open source of Mandrack or the only open source available is the one of redhat????

Troll_King
07-09-2002, 12:19 AM
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/7.3/en/iso/i386/

You can go to this link for the redhat 7.3 and download the 3 iso image files.

If you want mandrake than go to the mandrake website and choose the download link. They are all free. Downloading Mandrake is the same as RedHat, you need to download the iso images and burn them to cd.

moemen ahmed
07-09-2002, 12:53 AM
thank u for helping me troll_king
i was confused which to get(Mandrack or redhat).finallt i began to download redhat7.3........it ll be long time before its finished( i think it ll take me 3 weeks to download the 3 cd with my 56k modem) it ll be pain to wait all this time

whatever .........thanks again

Troll_King
07-09-2002, 01:06 AM
Just don't download the SRPM images they are optional. That links takes you to 5 files and the 6th file is the MD5SUM. You only need to download the first 3 iso files.

It wouldn't be too much fun downloading with a 56k modem. I have a cable modem and it took me about 90 minutes to download each file.

I have not tried Mandrake yet, however they are probably quite similar (RedHat and Mandrake). If you didn't have such a slow connection than there would be nothing stopping you from downloading both, another interesting distribution is SUSE. At least from what I have read, it is more for the advanced Linux user.

I find RedHat good for learning on, there are a lot of books that conver RedHat. Make sure to include all of the documentation for the kernel and the various programming language manuals during the installation. I installed both KDE and GNOME desktops and made KDE the default. It seems to be the nicer of the two.

moemen ahmed
07-09-2002, 02:59 AM
thank u troll again....:)
just i was wondering about the open source of linux redhat.....
which language is used to write it?

Troll_King
07-09-2002, 03:47 AM
The C language was used for most of the software architecture. The desktops are written in C (GNOME) and C++ (KDE). All of the widely known professional operating systems of the world are written in C, MS Windows, UNIX, Linux, Solaris.

Jet_Master
07-14-2002, 09:29 PM
Great Tip for newbies...

"Delete Windows today and double your drive space!!"