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GodLike
07-04-2002, 11:21 AM
http://www.conceptwizard.com/conflict.html

Clyde
07-04-2002, 12:00 PM
A nice neutral view......

Sentaku senshi
07-04-2002, 12:15 PM
Like it are not those are the facts.

Clyde
07-04-2002, 02:44 PM
I rather think not, if you want an objective view, one is provided here:

http://www.mideastweb.org/BriefHistory.htm

GodLike
07-04-2002, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
Like it are not those are the facts.

that real facts !!

you can check in any book!!

Fountain
07-04-2002, 03:31 PM
I suppose its the fault of the English really........LOL.....ANOTHER POST ABOUT THE SAME TOPIC..........oh man, we have exhausted this more than the UN.

Lets talk about the weather instead....it rained in UK today......

GodLike
07-04-2002, 03:36 PM
Its REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY
HOT

In Israel!!

Sentaku senshi
07-04-2002, 04:40 PM
First off Cyde who was on the land a thousand years ago does not matter.

Second, both are unbiased your link just has a lot more information. Ireal has has been provocted into all 3 wars, and has been more then willing to make peace. They have signed peace treaty's with Jordan, and Egypt witch resulted in them leaving the Seni Penisala.

Arafat has been linked to terrorist organizations, and is unable to rule his people.

Arafaf holds no power in Palistine, he only holds the title of the power. In order to crate peace an international organization would be need to sent in and take control. Isreal giving up the land it caputred in the wars will not work because the organziations that support the sucide attacks want isreal destroyed.

Cruxus
07-04-2002, 06:13 PM
It may be using the facts; but, if the presentation has an ultimate political end, it is not unbiased. This presentation presents only one side of the story: that of the Israelis. The Palestinian side is not shown. I do not mostly disagree with the main argument of this presentation (that the State of Israel has a right to a peaceful existance), but it is crucial to remember that this is very definitely a pro-Israel presentation and not a neutral, unbiased presentation that presents the perspective of all sides in the conflict (even the fanatical, irrational ones).

Clyde
07-04-2002, 07:01 PM
"First off Cyde who was on the land a thousand years ago does not matter"

True but it can provide an insight into the culture clash between the two sides.

"Second, both are unbiased your link just has a lot more information"

Come now, we both know full well that the flash movie did not take a neutral stance.

"Arafat has been linked to terrorist organizations, and is unable to rule his people"

Arafat was a terrorist, we all know this, but Sharon is no better.

"Arafaf holds no power in Palistine, he only holds the title of the power."

He has some sway, but millitants tend to do whatever they want.

"In order to crate peace an international organization would be need to sent in and take control. Isreal giving up the land it caputred in the wars will not work because the organziations that support the sucide attacks want isreal destroyed."

The only solution will be through diplomacy, Sharons tactics of excessive force have suprise suprise failed miserably, through diplomacy a separate Palestinian state can be charted out, and the conflict can finally end. It's nearly happened before, and in the end i suspect it will, unfortuneately there are numerous extremists on both sides who fight to prevent it happening.

GodLike
07-05-2002, 04:35 AM
Yes....

Israel Tried to find a diplomacy Solution

BUT!
while israel talked with them and tried the duplomacy way
arafat and his friends KILLED israely Civilians...

FOR EX.
You are sitting in a CAFE...

Enjoying your DRINK or some thing
and then you feel that your self BLOWED????

and if you didnt died
you see your family DEAD!!!!
and MANY Bodies ...
BLOD!!!!

what can israel do after this?!!?

Clyde
07-05-2002, 11:15 AM
"Israel Tried to find a diplomacy Solution "

And they came very close with Barak, and decreased the number of suicide attacks.

"BUT!
while israel talked with them and tried the duplomacy way
arafat and his friends KILLED israely Civilians... "

Neither you nor I know whether Arafat sanctioned militants extremists, however during that stage it seems very unlikely, since their actions damaged his bargaining power and decreased the chances of getting what he wants.

"what can israel do after this?!!?"

What they can't do, is go in randomly killing Palestinian civilians that makes them no better than the terrorists, as i said the only solution is through diplomacy.

Sentaku senshi
07-05-2002, 05:23 PM
>Arafat was a terrorist, we all know this, but Sharon is no better.

Sharon is a semi-desent guy the rest of his goverment is who I have a problom with.

>The only solution will be through diplomacy, Sharons tactics of excessive force have suprise suprise failed miserably, through diplomacy a separate Palestinian state can be charted out, and the conflict can finally end. It's nearly happened before, and in the end i suspect it will, unfortuneately there are numerous extremists on both sides who fight to prevent it happening.<

Unless control of the extremist groups takes place, anything acomplished by diplomicy is worthless.

Clyde
07-05-2002, 06:12 PM
"Sharon is a semi-desent guy "

..... Sharon is war-crimminal, and a moron, it was he who decided that excessive force was the way to go. We need more Baraks and less Sharons.

"Unless control of the extremist groups takes place, anything acomplished by diplomicy is worthless"

The extremists will stop blowing themselves up when they feel blowing themselves up does not increase the chance for Palestinian liberation. The extremists, will subside after that point, they will also lose favour with the people, which will greatly aid attempts to arrest them.

Sentaku senshi
07-05-2002, 08:16 PM
"The extremists will stop blowing themselves up when they feel blowing themselves up does not increase the chance for Palestinian liberation. The extremists, will subside after that point, they will also lose favour with the people, which will greatly aid attempts to arrest them."

I don't know, I think they might blow them selves up for a while.

Personaly I think the world should be run by kindergardeners, they belive in sharing, being nice, and doing what is correct.

GodLike
07-06-2002, 04:27 AM
What they can't do, is go in randomly killing Palestinian civilians that makes them no better than the terrorists, as i said the only solution is through diplomacy.

Israel dont kill civilians....

the israely army is search for terrorists in palestine...

and athe civilians are rotecting the terorists...

so they get hurt.....

Unregistered
07-06-2002, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by GodLike


Israel dont kill civilians....

the israely army is search for terrorists in palestine...

and athe civilians are rotecting the terorists...

so they get hurt.....

That is why they kidnapped three Palestinian teenagers from their neighborhood and their families did not know anything about them. A couple of days later, their parents woke up to find their empty bodies thrown back to their homes. Their insides were taken and they throw what left back to their families...

That is not considered terrorism, right?

Zeeshan
07-06-2002, 07:13 AM
You are sitting in a CAFE...

Enjoying your DRINK or some thing
and then you feel that your self BLOWED????

and if you didnt died
you see your family DEAD!!!!
and MANY Bodies ...
BLOOD!!!!

Let's say i'm sitting in a palestinian cafe...

Enjoying my DRINK or some thing
and then i feel that i'm self BLOWED by a huge shell from an Israeli tank ????

and if i didnt die
i see my family DEAD!!!
and MANY Bodies ...
BLOOD!!!! I might just grow mad enough to tie a bomb to myself and go to israel and blow you up in the cafe you are DRINKING, if such a thing happened to me, i swear i'd do what the palestinians are doing... that's why i would never call them terrorists, instead it goes the other way round

P.S. I'm buying a new AMD Athlon 1500+ XP. Any comments or suggestions ?

GodLike
07-06-2002, 08:59 AM
BUT!!

Palestine dont have CAFES...
they even dont have homes

becouse of that they support the terror

Unregistered
07-06-2002, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by GodLike
BUT!!

Palestine dont have CAFES...
they even dont have homes

becouse of that they support the terror

Thanks to the israelis, they do not have homes any more...
The israelis are going into the Palestinians homes using bulldozers. Nice, eh?

Zeeshan
07-07-2002, 01:21 AM
>> BUT!!

Palestine dont have CAFES...
they even dont have homes

becouse of that they support the terror

Well if the jews migrated to the land of israel from different parts of the world. They must've been the ones with no home. They should've been the poor ones. But they're not. Where did they get their power and wealth ? from the arabs who resided on the land prior to them (the palestinians) , ofcourse.


Palestine dont have CAFES...
they even dont have homes
these were takenaway/destroyed by the israelis

becouse of that they support the freedom-fight. If israel threw huge shells on my family, i would support any terrorist against israel... terrorists again terrorist, fire against fire.

Why does israel perform it's terrorist acts ? Because every israeli thinks he is "GODLIKE"...

GodLike
07-07-2002, 10:39 AM
You Dont understand israel becouse you havent seen it by your
self....

may be USA understand israel...
becouse of 11 septeber

after this USA bombed the afganistan and killed civilians...

but you cant compare the number of civilians that terrorist killed
(in 11 september or in israel )
and the number of cuvilians was killed by the military forces (USA and israe) by accident.....