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sean
06-12-2002, 07:39 PM
How many of you guys who are always teash-talking America - have actually lived on both sides?

lightatdawn
06-12-2002, 07:43 PM
My friend, I tend not to say things I know nothing about. It'll only make one look foolish in the end. (Though I'm not on the bash-america bandwagon I have a few valid points I occasionally like to make regarding the country.)

So, in response; Yes, I've lived there and many other places as well.

Vicious
06-12-2002, 07:46 PM
i dont trash talk much at all... but there are some reasons one could trash talk this land... but then again is there a country that has nothing to trash talk about?

sean
06-12-2002, 08:28 PM
But the Canada-US thing is just a joke. When was the last time you saw a thread that was seriously anti-US started by a Canadian? Ay?

lightatdawn
06-12-2002, 08:32 PM
>>seriously anti-US started by a Canadian?

No threads but I couldnt even count the number of people I know who love nothing more than tearing a strip out of your president every chance they get. The mans got no fans up here (and with good reason). Its not so much the people as the country as a whole. The US tends to remind me of the saying: "Who needs enemies with friends like this."

No offence to individual people who live there.

Commander
06-12-2002, 08:44 PM
Bush!!!!!!! that kid dosen't even know how to say sorry when his troops kills their own!!!!!!!!! :mad:
I was talking about the canadians if u didn't know

sean
06-12-2002, 09:34 PM
Well he has morals.

DavidP
06-12-2002, 09:41 PM
>When was the last time you saw a thread that was seriously anti-US started by a Canadian?

well um...i just responded to one....

DISGUISED
06-12-2002, 10:23 PM
The mans got no fans up here (and with good reason).

I am curious. What's the reason?


No offence to individual people who live there.

None taken.

Unregistered
06-12-2002, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by DISGUISED

I am curious. What's the reason?

None taken.

1). he did not immeditly apologize for the death of our soldiers

2). he snubbed canada by travelling for a trade mission to mexico on his first presidential trip, recall that every other president travelled to canada first...

3). he has impossed unfair lumber duties

4). canadian meat products will now be labeled as not comming from the us

5). most candians view him as being an uneducated southern hick

6). he called mexico the most important trade partner for the us when infact canada is...

7). he subsidizes his farmers heavily and floods the market with rediculously cheap grain

8). he will not allow the civilian who dropped the bomb to be interogated by canada, the civilian will most likely not stand trial

and the list could go on... mainly most people are sore about our soldiers... we can take it when the taliban kills our troops but not when some civilian drop's a 1000 pound bomb on our soldiers... the labeling of beef, the lumber duties and bush's idifference to canada have ........ed quite a few cannucks off

DISGUISED
06-12-2002, 10:55 PM
Well, those are all legitimate claims if they are true. I haven't heard of any of them but believe me due to the US media I will take your word for it. The only point I would have to disagree with is that Canada is our most important trade partner? Although, I would disagree that Mexico is as well.

One thing I think that the rest of the world forgets? The presidency of the US, is just a figurehead. If you think that George W. Bush makes all the decisions on his own without regard of anyone else's opinion as a king would, you are sadly mistaken. He is basically told what to do on every issue put before him by a panel of people known as his cabinet.

He actually has very high ratings among American people. But his ratings reflect his administration. Administration is the keyword here. If you don't like the way the white house is being run then fine, but just remember that George W is only one man in the big picture.

novacain
06-12-2002, 11:10 PM
I've visited the states on a number of occasions and done some work there, mainly in Vegas. My friends work for MS on the XBox and other IT firms in Chicago. I have relatives in Texas.

GWB has few fans down under either.

1) Farm subsidies.

2) Quotas on beef, sugar, grain and lamb.

3) Tariffs on steel.

4) Poaching our traditional markets with said subsidiesed products. (Fair enough if you don't lower the price with the subsidy)

5) Trying to tell us to eliminate our quarantine laws when we are fighting fire ants, cane toads(though that was our fault), bananna box frogs, coddling moth, rabies, fire blight, ect, ect, ect while increasing said barriers to free trade in the US

6) Demanding our SAS on call, our supply ships for the Gulf blockade, use of our land for satalite spy bases (at a $1 per year rent) and access to our ports for shipping. Without reciprocating in kind, or treating us as allies.

7) Refusing to sign the Kyoto protocol. Strange how J Howard used the exact same wording as GWB in his refusal to sign.

8) Holding our citizens without legal or consual aid and without charge. Even the one arrested in Pakistan is presumed guilty of something?

Vicious
06-13-2002, 12:03 AM
Well, all of your grudges against against bush might be valid but...

well i was gonna say somethin about canadas prime minister but i dont even know his name....

(note: i wasnt gonna say anything offending :p )

nvoigt
06-13-2002, 12:19 AM
>If you have been trash-talking America lately, have you lived on both sides?

Nope, my flight to the US was canceled. 9/14 wasn't the best date to have a ticket to Washington. But you will notice that most people are not talking about America. No one ever said something about your country. We were talking about American politics and the behaviour of American people. And this is something you can feel everyday even outside of America. If I meet Americans I can comment on their behaviour. If I hear the speeches of your president, or see what happens in world politics, I can comment on it. And I do.

Unregistered
06-13-2002, 07:45 AM
The only point I would have to disagree with is that Canada is our most important trade partner


check the statistics canada acounts for 1/2 of all the trade the us does with the world...

Barjor
06-13-2002, 09:27 AM
Grow up in Sweden now living in Portland OR and Bush is a morron no matter from what side of the ocean I look.

mike_k
06-13-2002, 09:40 AM
Why would it be nescesarry to have "lived on both sides" in order to protest unfair treatment by America?

-KEN-
06-13-2002, 10:50 AM
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Apr2002/n04182002_200204182.html

That's actually the first I've heard of that particular incident. Odd, I guess US news didn't feel like running it for some reason or another...meanwhile they keep running that missing 14 year old story 24/7. But we're so nice we decided to make it a tradeoff: "On Monday, four American soldiers were killed while blowing up unexploded rockets, also near Kandahar."

>>2). he snubbed canada by travelling for a trade mission to mexico on his first presidential trip, recall that every other president travelled to canada first...<<

Just how oversensitive are you? Lately research has been showing that Mexico will become a superpower (err...something like this, I've seen it on the news a few times), so we needed to improve relations with them. You aren't our only friendly border country.

>>5). most candians view him as being an uneducated southern hick

There's a reason to hate him :rolleyes: obviously you've never MET an uneducated hick. Although I'll admit, I think he's not the brightest bulb in the box, and his speech write should be shot in the head multiple times....with a rocket launcher.

>>6). he called mexico the most important trade partner for the us when infact canada is...

Perhaps he was thinking about the future. Just because he's trying to sweet talk Mexico into loving us doesn't mean that we're snubbing you or anything. Good God.

>>8). he will not allow the civilian who dropped the bomb to be interogated by canada, the civilian will most likely not stand trial <<

Which is just speculation....woohoo, we've got the "international court" deal happening all over again. Perhaps the information that there was canadian live fire exercises happenning in that area never filtered to his base. But then again, that's what the investigation team is going to find out, isn't it?

>>a 1000 pound bomb

500. And you enjoy saying "civilian" to make it sound more degrading, but he's airforce reserve...

sean
06-13-2002, 11:09 AM
The problem is, most other countries think all of America is like what they see on the movies. My granparents still aren't talking to my Mom because she thinks everyone here is a fat slob and fits the characteristics ofa ll those redneck jokes! Well I can tell its a whole lot better than that, and it's even better than South Africa? I don't know why. Maybe it's something to do with the fact that the night before we left, we had 17 gun shots put through our windows and had everything valuable in our living room stolen. Maybe it's just me, huh?

sean
06-13-2002, 11:11 AM
And in response to the Guy -KEN- was responding too, I don't know whther you heard, but technically, Osama Bin Laden doesn't get drafted to the International Court.

mike_k
06-13-2002, 11:51 AM
"The problem is, most other countries think all of America is like what they see on the movies. "

Sort of like how Americans think we live in igloos and have pet beavers? :) But anyway, I don't get mad at american people but at the government and the country, and anyway, you're the people who control almost all our tv so what are you complaining about?

Sentaku senshi
06-15-2002, 04:54 PM
>2). he snubbed canada by travelling for a trade mission to mexico on his first presidential trip, recall that every other president travelled to canada first...<
1. Texas is on the border of mexico
2. When did he go down there January/Febuary. Who here would rather go to canada durring the winter then Mexico?


>4). canadian meat products will now be labeled as not comming from the us<
Well there not from here.

>5). most candians view him as being an uneducated southern hick<
Ditto to ken.

>6). he called mexico the most important trade partner for the us when infact canada is...<
Same as 5

>8). he will not allow the civilian who dropped the bomb to be interogated by canada, the civilian will most likely not stand trial<
The armed forces are very good at doing internal invastigations.

hostensteffa
06-16-2002, 01:32 AM
actually i live in america. i've stated this in posts before but personally i love the country that is america. It is our government and what we stand for that we hate. Keep in mind that they say they stand for is nowhere near what they truly stand for. I'll steer away from the constitution to try not to make this a big debate. America was meant to be set up as a democratic capitalistic society. Democratic we partially are. True we can vote, which partially helps out but the only ones that they really truly count are the ones that the people in office put in (electoral balots i think). As far as capitalism goes, we are in the state that we do nothing but **** the poor and hand everything to the rich on 30karat gold platters. Trust me, i've seen and been on both ends of that . Great example. In the corp that I work for, the vending machine in the workers side yeah you know us low/middle classers who actually have to work to attempt to survive, has for instance in the vending machine a 60 cent candy bar. go to the corporate **** side with all the guys who have to hire people in to push the buttons for them (cough cough ceo hack hack) and the same candy bar is 30 cents. hmm i make a whopping 20,000 dollars a year. the ceo make a whopping few million. but yet his candy bar is cheaper. that's america for you.