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ygfperson
05-27-2002, 05:03 PM
the only purpose for this thread's existance is to poll the visiting cprogramming.com population. a similar poll was done at flashdaddee, and i'm just trying to confirm it. please keep any opinions on the us constitution thread. i don't want two threads arguing over the same topic.

Hillbillie
05-27-2002, 05:09 PM
I don't think the results will be too much different than from Flashdaddee. Even if they are, both you and I know which side will still have the majority of votes. :)

Vote you people!

tyler
05-27-2002, 05:56 PM
To violate the 1st amendment of the United States' Constitution would be letting the flag-burners win. We cannot limit one's free speech just because we disagree with them, because the whole point of the 1st amendment is to allow free speech.

stevey
05-27-2002, 06:09 PM
is this only about the stars and stripes or can other nations join in ??

if anyone wants to burn a flag, let em. as long as its theirs.

i get far more upset over idiots defacing Winston Churchill's statue like recently, and defacing war memorials and monuments to the fallen. these people should be shot.

ygfperson
05-27-2002, 06:27 PM
flag == your own country's flag, whatever it is

please, please don't speak your opinion here... there's another perfectly good thread resting away in the general board.

novacain
05-28-2002, 02:32 AM
Burn any flag you like, yours or others or McD's.

Like Stevie I am more concerned with other things, like the French putting an airport on Aussie Diggers graves.

Do effigies count?

ygfperson
05-28-2002, 04:58 AM
burning in effigy != burning a flag
although there's probably someone who might argue that point

endo
05-28-2002, 07:28 AM
I dont care really, a flags a flag. Just a piece of cloth, so long as it doesn't belong to me they can all burn. I can understand why some people dont feel the same though.

hostensteffa
06-01-2002, 04:33 AM
I don't think the flag should matter at all. In my opinion the flag in no way resembles the country. Personally I live in america and I love the country but you know what? Our damn government sucks majorly. Our democracy is far from the capitalistic state they claim it to be. Okay nevermind, i'm just going to shutup here before this starts a big debate.

Don't fly no stars, no star and stripes for me. THey stand for greed, they stand for hate, but nothing I believe.---Anti-Flag

-KEN-
06-01-2002, 05:23 PM
Crap, I hit no when I meant yes ( hey, I'm from florida. butterfly ballots and such...it's genetic that I can't vote) - any mods feel like changing that around for me? :)

ygfperson
06-01-2002, 05:59 PM
or you could have hit yes and just want an extra point going in that direction... :D

Unregistered
06-02-2002, 12:55 AM
Flag burning is the proper way to put an old flag out of service. It is ceremonially burned with high honor and respect. People who don't care for their country's flag are people who don't care for their country. Such people should emigrate elsewhere.

Hillbillie
06-02-2002, 01:02 AM
>eople who don't care for their country's flag are people who don't care for their country.<

The flag means one thing to this person, and something else to another. To people like me, it's an over-rated piece of cloth...but that's just my opinion.

>Such people should emigrate elsewhere.<

Why? That's like saying I should change schools because I don't like the basketball team there or something...

Unregistered
06-02-2002, 01:09 AM
A country's flag is a symbol of that country. Symbolism is important and shouldn't be looked down upon. Disrespecting a flag is disrespecting what it represents.

hostensteffa
06-02-2002, 01:14 AM
Actually I disagree with you on that one. I think of the flag more of what we would consider an id card. It is nothing but a piece of cloth that distinguishes one place for another. I look around at all the different flags. Hell McDonalds has a flag with a big M hanging up over where I live. The symbols on flags don't even represent really anything at all to a country (with a few exceptions).

Unregistered
06-02-2002, 01:23 AM
Someone who has not ever been threatened of all they hold dear is likely someone who does not know the true meaning of symbols. People who have fought and died for their country hold the flag dear. Why? Because it stands for their country. There is immense ceremony surrounding flags, and there is a reason why. Don't take life literally, you'll end up unhappy and alone.

bobish
06-02-2002, 02:21 PM
If someone burned a MC donalds flag they would be showing that they don't like MC donalds, if they burn a flag of a praticular country its means the same thing. As long as it's their own flag i don't see how it hurts. No worse then complaining about the govenment.

Hillbillie
06-02-2002, 04:25 PM
>A country's flag is a symbol of that country. Symbolism is important and shouldn't be looked down upon. Disrespecting a flag is disrespecting what it represents.<

I can't agree with you there. You don't know someone's motive for "disrespecting" a flag. You don't know the whole story behind why this person is doing whatever to the flag, so I say you've got no authority whatsoever to make a judgement.

>Someone who has not ever been threatened of all they hold dear is likely someone who does not know the true meaning of symbols.<

Why is that? I myself have been threatened of something I hold dear, so don't even try to generalize me.

Personally, a symbol is something that stands for something greater than it. What this something is can be different to different people. FOr instance, the US flag means freedom to many people, but to some it means evil.

> Don't take life literally, you'll end up unhappy and alone.<

Good advice, but you must not know me. :)

Fountain
06-02-2002, 05:05 PM
this seems like another pointless topic to discuss....every1 will have a different opinion, each of which will stir up loads of aggro...so, lets not even go there!

Hillbillie
06-02-2002, 05:37 PM
Good idea, Fountain. I humbly yet bluntly leave this debate. :)

ygfperson
06-02-2002, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by Fountain
this seems like another pointless topic to discuss....every1 will have a different opinion, each of which will stir up loads of aggro...so, lets not even go there!

which is why i put the words 'don't flame!' into the topic. besides, we did this all already in another thread just recently.

sean
06-02-2002, 09:58 PM
You know what? I'm pretty sick and tired of this anti-America stuff. For the last 26 years, my parents have sacrificed everything they have, so that their children could end up in America. If people hate America so much, SHUT UP, AND LEAVE. You go to another country and see what it's like there. A man was recently kidnapped, had Drano Foamer poured down his throat, had a needle kicked into his ear, was shot in the face, and tied to the highest tree on Main St. You know who that was? That used to be my Brother's best friend in South Africa. Do you really think the government is going to have a special meeting, "Ooh people! Just stay calm! People are whining, we better pack up and decide to go with the socialists!". No. They never will. This flag will be the last one standing. That day of glory WILL come - We'll see who laughs last - they laugh longest. Just shut up and keep it to yourself. You have no idea what both sides are like.

Hillbillie
06-03-2002, 10:52 AM
Sean, I don't think anyone said anything anti-US on this thread. Maybe I missed something. :confused:

sean
06-03-2002, 03:36 PM
Still - there's a lot af anti-US stuff on the board and I get abit sick of it.

Clyde
06-03-2002, 03:52 PM
"This flag will be the last one standing. That day of glory WILL come - We'll see who laughs last - they laugh longest"

Maniac.