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Liam Battle
05-06-2002, 06:16 PM
Reason why i posted this, is i just want to know how many of you want to be "game programmers" and how many of you want to be "Application Programmers" or how many want to be "Any kind of coder"

I think its a valid poll....

Myself i vote Any kind of coder... altho my heart swings towards Application programming, either for global communications or any type of high tech... im not to thrilled with game programming.
I was when i was young, but not anymore...

Xei
05-06-2002, 06:31 PM
I want to do Application and Game Programming. I think that it would be very fun to do. My goal is to Engines as well as main programming for games including EAX etc.. then I want to learn ASM real well for compatibility reasons with things other than just an OS. I want to be a very independant programmer, all I want is an artist!(if I ever reach this goal)

taylorguitarman
05-06-2002, 06:43 PM
I'd actually like to become a college professor later in my career. Meanwhile, I want to be a software engineer. So I guess that would be closest to application programmer. Graphics is just a fun hobby for me.

jdinger
05-06-2002, 06:45 PM
Well I'm a professional app developer now. I develop games as a hobby but I'd love to write games for a living. The closest that I've gotten to that dream was the Space Invaders clone I wrote where you shot down invading boats (the company I work for is in the Oil & Gas industry) and when our CEO came down to our office he caught one of the guys playing it and said he liked it (our company logo was on the "hero" and our biggest competitor's logo was on the invaders). :D

Oh, and this should be in the GD forum.

InFeStEd-ArCh0n
05-06-2002, 06:46 PM
You shall eventually reach this goal. If you have the ability to learn much from your own studies than you will go very far. Self teaching is a very profitable idea. Besides, you have the help of this messageboard (Most of the time). Just keep on trying.

Sebastiani
05-06-2002, 07:27 PM
I dream that one day I shall replace Microsoft. :)

InFeStEd-ArCh0n
05-06-2002, 07:36 PM
Well somebody should slaughter Bill Gates soon before he takes over the world.

Liam Battle
05-06-2002, 07:57 PM
hehehe good feedback, and no this post doesnt belong in the GD forum....

well i am more self taught than anything, altho im a 3rd year university student in CS, majoring in Software Development.

Anyhow, C++ is my primary language and i do alot of research to keep up with technology... also suggest to any programmers out there who are dedicated and serious about coding to read the series of books by Donald Knuth, (you know which ones) they are called the "the Art of computer Programming", altho these books are not for the faint hearted.

Altho i suggest many of you guys to go have fun and party, also its good that you learn and code now...
:D

biosx
05-06-2002, 08:01 PM
Heh, I don't care what I end up doing professionally. As long as there is always something new to learn I'll be happy. I would love to be recognized for a special skill though.

I don't think Microsoft will ever die. Only unless the govt. finds them doing some super-illegal stuff will they ever get close to seeing an end. Check out this article (http://money.cnn.com/2002/04/12/pf/agenda_msft/index.htm) on MS's current financial situation. Simply amazing how much money this company really has.

InFeStEd-ArCh0n
05-06-2002, 08:06 PM
If you ask me, the company has way too much power. The government tried to split it up but it ended up opening doors for it. Ever play Resident Evil? I fear that Microsoft will become like the Umbrella Corperation. Possibly even worse.

Liam Battle
05-06-2002, 08:10 PM
Nah, im not worried of big bad MS... actually i like them...
(please dont flame)....

I think tho they get a bad rap because of the innovation and hard work they do.. (please dont flame)

I suggest for anyone who likes to take a look back at the beginning, read up on the start of Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Xerox, and BELL Labs. and you will see how serious the wars were back then, as compared to now.

you may end up hating IBM more...

I myself root for and will continue to fly my MS banner... (please dont flame)

:D

InFeStEd-ArCh0n
05-06-2002, 08:15 PM
Why shall I flame? We have conflicting opions and that's fine. I'm not programming for the Windows operating system anyway. I'm using C++ to program in the Game Boy Advance. So I guess you can say I am a game programmer. All those who have heated arguments on this messageboard are in dire need of introspection.

Xei
05-06-2002, 09:47 PM
I believe that Microsoft(good innovations) concentrates way too much on commerce than on anything good at all. Their Operating Systems could be alot better stability-wise, and I know that their programmers dont just make 1 million mistakes, these OS's go into Beta tests and its not hard to realize that something is wrong right away. Then comes the price of their products, like look at Office XP, It is not worth $550 at all. Then instead of making one good OS they come out with new ones consistantly , saying "Find the one thats right for you!". For instance one Version of XP can support L2TP then another cant and the line just continues so that everyone runs around buying every one just to realize that their gonna buy the next one when it comes out. I think that they should try to make something that is all around decent and stop thinking about updates and "how can we charge people more etc.. "

By the way didnt Bill Gates buy the general template for Windows off of afew other programmers? And wasn't it called Ruby or something like that?

Traveller
05-06-2002, 10:00 PM
Actually I believe he stole the idea from Apple who inturn stole it from Xerox.

Liam Battle
05-06-2002, 10:00 PM
no not exactly, microsoft was working with Apple as contract workers, on a the new GUI... apple stole it from Xerox, and then Microsoft said we dont need u apple and finished off the GUI that you know and love today. basically MS beat the other two to the punch line...

but there is alot about MS that people dont know... and should read up on

Traveller
05-06-2002, 10:04 PM
I see, thanx for clearing up the misconception.

Liam Battle
05-06-2002, 10:20 PM
haha sorry traveller, i didnt even see ur post.. i musta been writting mine when u were writting urs... i was responding to Xei...

Traveller
05-06-2002, 10:27 PM
No apologies needed, I take quite an interest in the history of computers in general, and if I'm wrong I would always like to know the correct answer.

Not exactly on topic but I came across and now own a Commodore 64 in its original box with the original Kmart pricetag. btw - it still works!!! Is that not cool?

fyodor
05-06-2002, 10:42 PM
My dream career is to work either in AT&T Bell Labs Research, Los Alamos National Laboratories, or the NSA.

Xei
05-06-2002, 10:44 PM
Windows XP consists of 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition.


I like that quote, hehe. ;)

Liam Battle
05-06-2002, 11:00 PM
that is a funny qoute... i admit...

ihsir
05-06-2002, 11:15 PM
Application Programming for me. dont want to do the games and stuff.

hk_mp5kpdw
05-07-2002, 06:06 AM
Ah... the Commodore 64. I remember having one of those. I had this game called Jumpman(?) that came on a casette tape and took about 12 minutes to load into memory. After a few dozen successfull loads, the tape started to develop errors and the program couldn't load any more.

Shouldn't this be moved to the General Discussion Board?

UnclePunker
05-07-2002, 06:44 AM
I don't know too much about Microsoft history, only it has an ugly chairman, it's all about the coding to me, I am only a complete beginner but I enjoy it more than anyting I learnt at school, even though it does get frustrating at times I love to solve the problems, I have done **** jobs ever since I left school moving from warehouse to warehouse and noe I'm learning something that lets me use my brain power, I can't wait until I'm ready to move onto more advanced stuff 'cos the stuff I'm writing now gives me a thrill and I know how trivial it is.:rolleyes:

heat511
05-07-2002, 08:16 AM
i wanna program games, cause i made some pretty good games in VB last year but after awhile i had too many moving guys and it started really slowing down

i've only been programming c++ since sep. though, so i have awhile before making non-text grahpics :)

just my personal opinion, but isn't most other programming kinda boring, just like programming class, all databases and boring math stuff?

i think i want to try to work for blizzard or nintendo, then maybe form my own company if im up to it...

InFeStEd-ArCh0n
05-07-2002, 08:20 AM
For me, programming is one of the most thrilling professions that ever existed. I'd be happy to spend the rest of my life on it, as long as I do not get Carpil Tunnel Syndrome. Math is my favorite of all subjects in school. Programming is a blessing. If you have an aptitude for it, it's even better.

heat511
05-07-2002, 08:24 AM
i had a commodore 64 that i got from my uncles, it came w/ jumpman, spyhunter, some commando game, a helicopter game and i can't remember the others, but it ran off of 5 in. floppy disks so i didn't take too long to load. Unfortunetly i am an idiot and gave it away to someone i haven't seen since.

at least i kept my reg nintendo...

still miss the commodore though :(

heat511
05-07-2002, 08:27 AM
i don't really like it too much, which is kinda funny if i want to be a programmer, but i dunno if its too important in games (other than physics models and stuff)

and i guess the math stuff i really don't like is logs and proofs and graphing

InFeStEd-ArCh0n
05-07-2002, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by heat511
i don't really like it too much, which is kinda funny if i want to be a programmer, but i dunno if its too important in games (other than physics models and stuff)

and i guess the math stuff i really don't like is logs and proofs and graphing

Math is still important in programming. If you don't like either math or programming so much imagine doing it for the rest of your life. I'm not trying to deter you, but I do believe that if you are not going to be happy in this profession you should escape now. Day after day after day of what you dislike would make you lead a discusting life. Perhaps the language you're programming in isn't the right one for you.

InFeStEd-ArCh0n
05-07-2002, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by UnclePunker
I don't know too much about Microsoft history, only it has an ugly chairman, it's all about the coding to me, I am only a complete beginner but I enjoy it more than anyting I learnt at school, even though it does get frustrating at times I love to solve the problems, I have done **** jobs ever since I left school moving from warehouse to warehouse and noe I'm learning something that lets me use my brain power, I can't wait until I'm ready to move onto more advanced stuff 'cos the stuff I'm writing now gives me a thrill and I know how trivial it is.:rolleyes:

School teaches you nothing. It is organized slavelabor meant to bore you and make you a part of a system. Be a free thinker and not a brainwashed individual. Your best achievements come through self teaching, listen not to what the slavedrivers will tell you. Believe what you know.

heat511
05-07-2002, 08:47 AM
School teaches you nothing. It is organized slavelabor meant to bore you and make you a part of a system. Be a free thinker and not a brainwashed individual. Your best achievements come through self teaching, listen not to what the slavedrivers will tell you. Believe what you know.

lol, only 2 more years after this (then college, which according to some is much, much worse)

i dunno, from what i've done so far (i've made battleship, a pacman style game, and im working on a text-based rpg) math isn't too important (or maybe its still important, but it seems more fun when its part of a game :) )

i guess i don't like math because you do 20ish problems and don't accomplish anything, much less care about the 20 problems

to me, database non-game programming is the same, just boring stuff

just my personal opinions :)

heat511
05-07-2002, 08:50 AM
i dunno, maybe its not that boring, but i just came from math class lol and now im in programming making a hospital room assigning program...

InFeStEd-ArCh0n
05-07-2002, 12:23 PM
That's terrible. My computer teacher says I am to ahead of my class, so he lets me program what I want, and it usually impresses him so I get 100's. :)

NANO
05-07-2002, 01:45 PM
Goal ::confused: Software for:confused: software.... :confused:

That means , Advanced programmers make languages and systems, not for regular users but for programmers how will using their work to make programs that public can use.

for me, I will try to learn more:mad: and more:mad: about system programing :mad: and language programming:mad: ...
That is my goal:mad: ... to learn how to start from the begining of the creation

:rolleyes: :mad:

InFeStEd-ArCh0n
05-07-2002, 04:38 PM
I like your goal a lot

fyodor
05-07-2002, 04:46 PM
School teaches you nothing. It is organized slavelabor meant to bore you and make you a part of a system. Be a free thinker and not a brainwashed individual. Your best achievements come through self teaching, listen not to what the slavedrivers will tell you. Believe what you know.

Not true. Organized education gives you discipline, skills, and a broader base than you would otherwise have. If your only interests are programming, say, and math, then, presumably, all you would do is study those subjects, and likely, you would probably get a pretty patchy education even in those subjects because you will not have the self discipline to practice the boring fundamentals. Also, you will neglect important skills, such as learning to express yourself clearly and well (a skill some on this board might be able to improve on:)). Even worse, you might not discover the beauty of literature and history, and thus fail to understand the intellectual and social heritage that is yours. Some say they can educate themselves, but such people are one in a thousand. That said, I cannot wait to graduate.

Xei
05-07-2002, 04:55 PM
Well, I am 16 and I have attempted my A+ exam already(Getting 71%) yes its a fail but if you've taken it(220-221) its asks some pretty dumb questions and poorly illustrated pictures as well as the nervousness of $225 on the line. I know of 3 questions that I got wrong and I know the answer now then I would've had 85% but oh well. School is mostly pointless... like English, I really dont think that analysing Shakespear is gonna help me in life, or social, and why do we need Chemistry for University for programming? I just hate that, since I suck at it. I like learning math though, because it helps me understand concepts, as well as physics... I really like that. So I really suffer in some subjects for the fact that I spend 5 to 8 hours on my PC Week days and 12 on weekends etc... School has too much pointless crap though, they should scrap english and social at least. School isnt actually mostly pointless I am directing the School part more-so at High School.

By the way never buy Preparation or Cram books for Comptia certification from Coriolis. I was getting 98 to 100% on all of their practice exams and look what I got on my A+ 71% when I needed 75%. I heard that Transcender was good; just so that you guys dont ripp yourselves off.

TechWins
05-07-2002, 07:49 PM
I want to be a game programmer. However, I see this as a very difficult profession to get into. So my goal is to stay independent and makes games until I get the chance to join a company if I still wish to do so. Being an independent game company is not quite as difficult as it used to be because of the Internet. There are many oppurtunities to make 'good' money while being 'independent'. I'm 15 right now, and I will be graduating in 2 years. My goal is to start making my first professional style of game at the beginning of next summer. I'm sure I will be able to find people to help me out on the game too (friend of mine for art, my brother for coding, etc...). My senior year will be easy on me in the sense that I will only have to take 3 classes each semester. I will be able to spend a lot of time on my game during that time. Once I graduate I plan on spending another year on my game, and to release that game for sell over the net during that year. If the sales go well I don't think I'll go to college. However, if the sales don't go very well then I'll most likely attend college. I first want to explore my options with programming games to it's fullest. If it works out then I don't see much reason for me to go to college. If it doesn't work out then it might be a good idea to attend college.

Xei, I feel about exactly the same way as you do. Since I've started to program I don't see much reason going to school...it's not helping my future out the least bit going to school. In fact I almost feel as if going to school is holding me back. Luckily next year my schedule is a lot better than this year's.

BtW, I realize that any time my goals (plans) could change. For now, though, these are my plans, and I have no intentions of changing them or wanting to change them. I'm going to (and am currently) prepare myself as much as I possibly can.

Xei
05-07-2002, 09:46 PM
I feel sortof like School is holding me back. It would all be good if they would just give us a choice of taking English or Social. All I want is math and physics then Calculus. Then I want University's and College to stop wanting Chemistry for Programming. I understand needing it for Architecture etc.. for PC's but programming it really doesnt have any relevance. Oh well, 2 more years to go.

biosx
05-07-2002, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by InFeStEd-ArCh0n

School teaches you nothing. It is organized slavelabor meant to bore you and make you a part of a system. Be a free thinker and not a brainwashed individual. Your best achievements come through self teaching, listen not to what the slavedrivers will tell you. Believe what you know.

Yeah right.. Schools give you final projects and other little creative freedoms. Once you get into a company and start coding full time you will have to code to their standards and of course to their specifications. Sounds great to me :rolleyes: (not)

However I must admit they don't teach enough in school. I already knew and was very experienced in C when I came to college. Went through the university's C class and came out of it suprised at how much they didn't teach these people.

One thing to you new kidz though... If you don't have a passion for this. If you are doing this just for the money or just because your parents say so. Please stop. Please don't try and learn it and get a job. More or less you will mess up some companies code which will make a skilled person have to deal with lame bugs.

itld
05-07-2002, 10:48 PM
howdy,
i voted for app,s but at this point i wouldnt be picky, i've been an iron worker for 20 years and to be honest climbing 200 feet in the air to have someone swing a 4000# beam in so i can stick some bolts in it just dosnt excite me any more and like i've said before it would be nice to work with people that can speak with words that contain more than four letters and that have an intelect higher than my 6 year old son.
im am teaching myself C++ and perl and someday i WILL write code for a living.

M.R.

TechWins
05-07-2002, 11:06 PM
One thing to you new kidz though

If that comment was even partially directed towards me in any such way (if not sorry) and if it was I resent being called a 'kid':)

My parents could really careless and would probably rather see me not to do code. My body would rather see me not to do it too lol (can't get much sleep having to go to school, work nights, and program while maintaining somewhat of a life...about 3-5 hours on most nights). I am completely committed to programming, especially game programming. I'm not in it for the money, and one of the main reasons why I want to own my own game company is so I can do what I want to do. Being an employee of a company will restrict your creativity. However, being the owner of your company also has it's down sides. For right now, though, I don't have to worry about any of that. For right now it's still a 'hobby', but soon it will no longer be a hobby.

blight2c
05-07-2002, 11:08 PM
on the subject of school i'd add this: the sooner you understand the difference between education and training the better; you'll save yourself a lot of time and money if you match your goals/methodes accordingly. but, i have a feeling you're just going to ignore me, so i'll leave now

Liam Battle
05-07-2002, 11:16 PM
well i dont know who might have offended you but dewd (TechWins) sounds like you feel sorry for yourself...

are you being persecutted?
anyhow, i dont think anyone directed any comments to you personally.

TechWins
05-08-2002, 12:11 AM
well i dont know who might have offended you but dewd (TechWins) sounds like you feel sorry for yourself...

Nobody offended me, and I'm not feeling sorry for myself because I have nothing to feel sorry for. I had no intentions of coming off either way. I just wasn't sure if that comment was direct towards me or not. I know that biosx wasn't directing that comment towards me and me alone, but I wasn't sure if he was including me as part of that group he was directing. I don't see myself as being part of that group he addressed, that's all. And I was kinda joking when I said that I resented the kid comment.:)

heat511
05-08-2002, 08:26 AM
i sounded kinda bummed out yesterday...

i guess i was just bored with this database project i have to do for programming

actually i love programming but i don't think im good enough so i would like to own a programming company i think (hopefully a company that makes console games)

dayknight
05-08-2002, 03:12 PM
it is hard t ochoose btween game programmer and app programer
well anyway i voted on the y thingy.

basically my goal is beyond being a programmer.
my goal is to take over MS and that stupid no name penguin OS
and maybe apple(i dont like 1 button mouse)
and maybe...
so on

and someday (not very far) the world will be under my rule

i am sure u would love broadband for free
so i have decided that in the near future in every nation to put a supercomputer and connect every single home with fibre optics

i have more things on my to do list but i am running out of time.

tim545666
05-08-2002, 06:17 PM
so i have decided that in the near future in every nation to put a supercomputer and connect every single home with fibre optics
You might want to learn how to spell "fiber" first.

and someday (not very far) the world will be under my rule
No, I'd kill you if you ever got even close to that.

Liam Battle
05-08-2002, 06:31 PM
haha who said those qoutes anyhow?
that is so funny... gotta love children and there imagination!

Xei
05-08-2002, 08:41 PM
You know how this board describes users as Junior Member, Member, Senior Member? "I want to be a Super Duper Member!" lol