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dbaryl
04-29-2002, 03:20 PM
Was just thinking, what's the worst injury you ever had? Such as a broken arm/leg/rib, etc. I never really had anything even that serious, mostly got off easy...

Just interested (so I can see how lucky I am :D )

maes
04-29-2002, 03:30 PM
The docter dropped me when I got born. haven't recoverd from that one yet.

besides that some typical sports injuries but nothing serious

Xterria
04-29-2002, 03:31 PM
once i got hit with a samurai bow sword in the side of the head when i was sparring in tai chi once

stevey
04-29-2002, 03:41 PM
1) nearly lost an eye, after some tart threw a glass on the floor in a bar, whilst arguing with her b/f (not me - didn't know em). piece of glass went in my eye and lodged just in front of the lens.
now have only 60% vision in it, nearly had a glass one, it was 50/50

moral - NEVER throw glass or pottery around

2) Kidney donor, so only one kidney and a 10" scar

3) Broken hand whilst fighting

moral - use palm strike whenever possible, not clenched fist.

Xterria
04-29-2002, 03:44 PM
dadgum.

stevey
04-29-2002, 04:24 PM
if i'd bent by wrist i wouldn't have broken my hand. wrist mebe.

i know how to fight pal. how many street fights/ bar fights have you had ?????

breaking my hand was the LEAST of my worries in the situation i was in.

trust me ??? what the **** do you think you know about streetfighting with grown men ???

you think you're the only person to have done martial arts ??
ive been hitting punchbags for longer than you've been alive you weenie !!!

Dual-Catfish
04-29-2002, 04:30 PM
Dislocated shoulder... Hockey
Broken thumb... Hockey
Cracked rib... Hockey

Oooh, and a bee sting :)
I think i've got off pretty easy so far

Govtcheez
04-29-2002, 04:49 PM
Fractured or very badly sprained finger - Arcade game (Daytona racing)

almost broken ankle - running
almost broken same ankle - volleyball
almost broken same ankle - basketball

Maybe I should do more stuff that involves sitting.

jdinger
04-29-2002, 05:30 PM
Broken left foot (2 breaks).

But that wasn't as bad as breaking my tailbone! That one hurt.
You can't even sneese without pain.

golfinguy4
04-29-2002, 05:37 PM
Nothing but painful as hell: Bruised Tailbone
More Serious but still nothing: Super deep cut on index finger by screen door closed on it when 3 or 4. Required stiches and couldn't use novacain(sp?) because my finger was too skinny.

incognito
04-29-2002, 06:03 PM
My heart, a girl once broke my heart............................................. .................................................. ........................lol lol lol that was weird, j/k, I don't know, I've only had minor injuries in my life thankfully, once I broke arm, so I heard I can only remember a little bit, I was too small to remember quite a lot.

lightatdawn
04-29-2002, 06:20 PM
>>But that wasn't as bad as breaking my tailbone! That one hurt.

>>Nothing but painful as hell: Bruised Tailbone

These people know where its at. How come thats so bloody painful? Geez. I broke it two years in a row. That wasnt very fun... You two snowboard by any chance? ;)

I've had a concusion (and the afformentioned multiply broken tailbone) and a few ribs but other than that, i've been damn lucky, And if you look at some of the things i do.... i've been reeeeeeeally damn lucky. :D

lightatdawn
04-29-2002, 06:25 PM
*tears* Oh god!!! Ken wins! Geezus, man. I'm feeling twinges of sympathy pain right now! Nothing compares to Nad injuries. Nothing. *wince*

stevey
04-29-2002, 06:31 PM
speaking of tailbones, you'll not believe this, but a friend of mine had a boss. this guy went skiing all the time.....
due to some freak accident, i presume he was stationary when someone hit him from behind.....
a ski basically went up his backside, or as far as possible, smashing his tailbone and rupturing his anus. :)

what makes it even better, this guy was a complete dick !!!
everybody hated him and was afraid of him......
talk about just deserts !!!

stevey
04-29-2002, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by lightatdawn
*tears* Oh god!!! Ken wins! Geezus, man. I'm feeling twinges of sympathy pain right now! Nothing compares to Nad injuries. Nothing. *wince*

:) i know EXACTLY how you feel Ken. i forgot to mention i had a hydrocele (water on the testicle) which swelled my 'nad' :) up, and had to have an operation. afterwards it felt like i'd been kicked in the 'nad' for about 3 days after :(

and its still twice as big as the other one !!! :(

Aran
04-29-2002, 06:54 PM
looks like that limerick came true for you...

stevey
04-29-2002, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Aran Elus
looks like that limerick came true for you...

:) i think thats why i always remember it...!!

but i wouldn't say the little one was 'no ball at all' !!!:D

-KEN-
04-29-2002, 07:13 PM
Sprained ankle - basketball
Sprained ankle - basketball
Sprained ankle - basketball
....
Sprained ankle - basketball
Screwed up knees - basketball (They just lock up sometimes randomly. It's hard to play intense sprots now because my kneecaps lock up. I haven't asked the doctor about it yet, and it's been like this for a year or two...I'm starting to work out my knees now, so maybe it'll help)

Kicked in the nuts - In kindergarten I ws kicked in the nuts when I tried to kiss this girl Alex (there was some kissing game we all used to play) well anyhow I'd totally blocked it from my mind in every way possible, and I didn't continue in that school after kindergarten. So one day in 8th grade I was walking aimlessly around the halls skipping geography and Alex comes up to me and relates the whole story to me...for the life of me I swear my brain completely destroyed the cells that were supposed to record that memory :)

Few more nut injuries...sports realted, I think.

Scar on my leg - I forget how it happened...

Jammed fiongers about 10 billion times - basketball


Other than those I've been incredibly lucky.

stevey
04-29-2002, 07:19 PM
>>>Kicked in the nuts - In kindergarten I ws kicked in the nuts when I tried to kiss this girl Alex (there was some kissing game we all used to play) well anyhow I'd totally blocked it from my mind in every way possible, and I didn't continue in that school after kindergarten. So one day in 8th grade I was walking aimlessly around the halls skipping geography and Alex comes up to me and relates the whole story to me...for the life of me I swear my brain completely destroyed the cells that were supposed to record that memory


phew, nut injuries.....:( women don't know how lucky they are !!

but how old is kindergarden ?? have your nuts actually fully descended at this stage ???:D

jdinger
04-29-2002, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by lightatdawn
These people know where its at. How come thats so bloody painful? Geez. I broke it two years in a row. That wasnt very fun... You two snowboard by any chance? ;)

Actually the double-break in my foot was from skateboarding. The
broken tailbone was from the Army.

seditee
04-29-2002, 08:33 PM
well, i almost got emphasema from writing code once...when i used to smoke...it made me chain smoke...so...i don't know. i've been stuck on this same problem for 2 weeks now...totally in the dark. maybe i need a smoke. it always helped before...no...not worth it...help!!!

Dissata
04-29-2002, 10:47 PM
I guess I'm one of whose prone to injury, pain, ect. . .

I was going to say nothing much, but then, compared to almost all(from what you wrote) I'm the unlucky one. (damnit ;) )

broken arm *2
broken ribs*3 (same time, three seperate ribs)
broken fingers *a-big-number
been stabbed (by a person)
cut *50 billion (more scars than I can count)
got in too many fights . . . eer well skirmishes. But it was their fault I promise!
:)

ooh and xterria i'd have to agree with stevey, you obviously haven't been in any real fights.

Dissata
04-29-2002, 10:51 PM
. . . and a few severe concussions. . .

forgot about those

novacain
04-29-2002, 10:55 PM
Two front teeth in 4 days -> hockey
Concussion and near drowing -> surfing
Multiple stitches -> 'la Canne' (fencing with sabre)
Red Back spider bite is also bad (bitten on two occasions, once I was bitten multiple times, takes a few months for the scarring/swelling to go)

Scariest/funniest thing was seeing my friend bitten by a shark as we went out surfing. A 1m carpet shark or 'wobbigong' clamped on to his foot. (they have only small rasping teeth and get territorial at breeding season) Nearly ground his little toe off. After the surprise of the attack laughed so hard as the shark shook him by the leg for a minute because he did not want to hit it with his board in case he 'dinged' it.

stevey
04-30-2002, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Dissata
I guess I'm one of whose prone to injury, pain, ect. . .

I was going to say nothing much, but then, compared to almost all(from what you wrote) I'm the unlucky one. (damnit ;) )

broken arm *2
broken ribs*3 (same time, three seperate ribs)
broken fingers *a-big-number
been stabbed (by a person)
cut *50 billion (more scars than I can count)
got in too many fights . . . eer well skirmishes. But it was their fault I promise!
:)

ooh and xterria i'd have to agree with stevey, you obviously haven't been in any real fights.

when you're my age, you don't count high school fights as fights, you vary rarely keep going until one of you is unconcious or totally hammered...nor do i count sparring in martial arts, boxing etc. you can't have full contact or you'd smash each other to pieces when you're an adult.
sparring and boxing/martial arts is great and useful but the trick is not to be too cocky with it, thinking you know how to fight, leading you into situations that a non-black belt guy would avoid.....even if you have a black belt 3rd dan you may get a shock in your first REAL fight... ..its very hard to recreate the full range of no holds barred vicious techniques.....neither is the sheer terror and resulting adrenaline burst so that everything is slowed down......

i see xterria types at my gym in taekwondo class, teenagers who are just too cocky, overconfident....get a black belt at 13 and think they are hardcases....[i can take on guys twice my size types ] they often get the **** kicked out of them in a real fight.....forget all the training/moves when the panic sets in.....or are so cocky that they aren't afraid enough...and most fights will happen when you're drunk also !!

my best friend at uni was a black-belt karate and was going for his dans etc, and very cocky with it.....however he only had 2 real fights and lost them both.......
1) tried a high kick and ended up on his backside.....
2) overconfidence led him to take on a very big but very fat unfit looking guy, the guy didn't give him a chance to use karate, grabbed him, grappled, used his weight and got him round the neck, spraining it and leaving him defenceless on the floor.....luckily he just left it at that.....

myself, ive had my fair share, and only lost once..but you lose ONCE if nobody's around and you may be dead..
i know enough now that it would only upset me slightly to walk away, or even run away....its mostly male pride that causes 95% of fights..........is it worth it ???

anyway tell us more about the stabbing. now thats interesting !!!
all those injuries and you're still in high school ?????
you better chill out and take more care or there will be **** all left of you when you get to my age !!:)

stevey
04-30-2002, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by novacain
Two front teeth in 4 days -> hockey
Concussion and near drowing -> surfing
Multiple stitches -> 'la Canne' (fencing with sabre)
Red Back spider bite is also bad (bitten on two occasions, once I was bitten multiple times, takes a few months for the scarring/swelling to go)

Scariest/funniest thing was seeing my friend bitten by a shark as we went out surfing. A 1m carpet shark or 'wobbigong' clamped on to his foot. (they have only small rasping teeth and get territorial at breeding season) Nearly ground his little toe off. After the surprise of the attack laughed so hard as the shark shook him by the leg for a minute because he did not want to hit it with his board in case he 'dinged' it.

:D
can't red spider bites be fatal ??? is that only when you've a weak heart etc ??

whats this fear of dinging the shark ??? surely he had every right to !!!!!:)

stevey
04-30-2002, 09:05 AM
>>>>>rollerblading && railslide = possible cracked right nut = 3 days of bed rest

another nut injury !!! :D

now i know they need to be kept cool and all, but there is a definite design fault here !!!!! god are you listening?????


[and God, please.....you shouldn't put a recreation area so close to a waste disposal zone]

DarkStar
04-30-2002, 09:28 AM
One day about 5 years ago, I got so frustrated and mad at my boss, I punched a steel panel and broke the metacarpol bone behind the pinkie finger on my right hand. I had three pins driven into my hand to hold the bone in place for 4 weeks. After they were removed, RSD ( Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy ) developed in my hand to the point that I almost lost the use of it. RSD is pretty nasty, I would wake up in the middle of the night not being able to bend my fingers, they were like rocks, in panic I would put my hand under warm water and massage the hand until after 30 minutes or so they would start to move again. After about 3 months of aggressive physical therapy, I finally got back most of the use of my hand, but I have lost about 40 pounds of grip. It's pretty amazing how a broken bone in your hand can cause so much pain and trouble.

Unregistered
04-30-2002, 10:27 AM
November of last year I had a seizure in my sleep. I woke up and my back was in pain, I had broken my right scapula, and could barely move. I had also bitten into my tongue and tore a small pea sized chunk out of it (proably swallowed it). Blood was gushing out of my mouth and I had to apply pressure to stop the bleeding. I'm sure the 911 phone call I made must have sounded funny with me holding onto my tongue. When I got to the hospital they gave me a shot of morphine but ten minutes later I was still in pain. I asked the nurse how long it should take for the shot to have taken effect and she said within a minute or two. They had to give me a second shot of morphine before I felt any pain relief (I must have a resistance to pain meds). Then they were giving me a shot of a local anesthetic directly into my tongue before they came back and sewed up the cut in there.

Then, in February I had another seizure. No major injuries but I was still in a lot of pain. This time in the ER, they gave me an injection of something stronger than morphine for the pain, I think it was called dilaudid. That stuff was the BOMB! I felt that stuff take effect within 30 seconds.

In both cases they gave me percocet to take home but that stuff wasn't effective for me unless I smashed up two or three tablets and drank it with some milk. I've had a total of about 100 tablets of that stuff related to pain from these two instances. Maybe I'm addicted to pain meds now?!

hk_mp5kpdw
04-30-2002, 10:32 AM
That message above was from me. For some reason the automatic logon wasn't working this time.

stevey
04-30-2002, 11:06 AM
hk_mp5kpdw

thats interesting what you said about morphine tolerance !!
did the nurses/doctors just think you were a wimp ??

i had the same thing last year, i had an operation, and they had to pump me so full of morphine i was totally tripping.....they were accusing me of a low pain tolerance, but its not true because ive had operations on my testicle and eye (very sensitive areas!!!) and the nurses then were saying i had good pain tolerance, i even was refusing medication then.

do you smoke cannabis ?? i was smoking a hell of a lot in the year leading up to my op, i was wondering if it had any effect ??
i know morphine & cannabis are totally different but they affect endorphine production apparently......

or mebe we are just almost immune to morphine for some reason....

hk_mp5kpdw
04-30-2002, 11:23 AM
No, I don't smoke the wacky weed, never have. As far as the shot goes, I figure one of three things was happening. The first is that they might have given me a placebo shot the first time, perhaps they thought I was faking the pain and just wanted to score a quick fix of some free narcotics. The second is that they may have given me a low dose either intentionally or unintentionally. The third is that for some reason I just have some higher than usual tolerance for pain medications.

In any case, if you ever do need pain relief ask for that dilaudid stuff cause it's sweet. I give it my enthusiastic two-thumbs-up. That second time in the hospital a friend of mine drove me there. Now she always laughs when she remembers the funny stuff I said and the dazed look I had after they gave me that shot. I'm sure she would have loved to have a videotape of my behavior at that point "under the influence". Frankly all I remember is saying something like: "Holy sh** I fell that stuff kicking in!" and then most everything else is a blur.

Inept Pig
04-30-2002, 01:55 PM
At my current tender age of 20, I have suffered:-

75% ligament tear in my knee, which still haunts me three years after (Damn you NHS!)

A scar half an inch from my eye, which was caused by a shattered bottle, and the three resulting stitches.

A cracked wrist playing football... somehow...

And.. how it all started... concussion at the age of 7, caused by a wooden floor rushing up to meet my ever falling body...

SO!

not that many bad ones... but enough in my short life span.. I think...

seditee
04-30-2002, 02:43 PM
i am always being attacked by canines. they have that look of pure hatred in their eyes when they see me...unless they are wimpy canines...then they like me.


:rolleyes:

-KEN-
04-30-2002, 03:17 PM
Geez, stevey, cool it. You keep pulling the age/experience card like you're some sort of Guru at life. "Well, you're only 15; you can't have an interesting conversation with me...you're too stupid". Sounds like this annoying kid in my PE class who told my friend that she couldn't play him in basketball because she was a girl...long story short, white girl beats goofy black kid.

Anyhow, I happen to agree with the point that martial arts people tend to get their asses whooped in real fights.

Heh, I bet within this week I wind up getting into a fight...this annoying kid that nobody really likes, is like 30 pounds overweight, weak, annoying, stupid, incredibly ugly, and sucks up to me and my friends so people think he's popular keeps talking .......... about me, and every time I step to him he stares at the ground like a pansy. But then every tyime I turn around he's saying something. Well I'm about 3 inches taller than him, 35 pounds lighter, stronger, and I'm starting to get a bit ........ed off that I'm going to break my rule of never fighting at school...

wish me luck, not that I'll need it :p

AP
04-30-2002, 05:31 PM
I gotta agree with Ken there, you laugh at some kid for acting all tough and mentioning his tai Chi lesson (lol), then instantly brag about numerous injuries, real fights, taekwodno lessons, etc, etc

Martials arts aint the be all and end all of fighting, but if you have the training you'll have a better idea about avoiding the fights in the first place - hopefully.

All this been there, done that **** just dont cut it, its all in the moment - you may just have been lucky!

golfinguy4
04-30-2002, 06:43 PM
Bruised my tailbone in a "fight." Fell on the cement ground funny.


I know a friend who strained his achilles tendon sleeping.

stevey
04-30-2002, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by -KEN-
Geez, stevey, cool it. You keep pulling the age/experience card like you're some sort of Guru at life. "Well, you're only 15; you can't have an interesting conversation with me...you're too stupid". Sounds like this annoying kid in my PE class who told my friend that she couldn't play him in basketball because she was a girl...long story short, white girl beats goofy black kid.

Anyhow, I happen to agree with the point that martial arts people tend to get their asses whooped in real fights.

Heh, I bet within this week I wind up getting into a fight...this annoying kid that nobody really likes, is like 30 pounds overweight, weak, annoying, stupid, incredibly ugly, and sucks up to me and my friends so people think he's popular keeps talking .......... about me, and every time I step to him he stares at the ground like a pansy. But then every tyime I turn around he's saying something. Well I'm about 3 inches taller than him, 35 pounds lighter, stronger, and I'm starting to get a bit ........ed off that I'm going to break my rule of never fighting at school...

wish me luck, not that I'll need it :p

keep pulling the age card ??? shut it weenie boy:) do i ???
give me an example where i wasn't joking or when it wasn't deserved and i will send you a fiver. go on i challenge you.....
post some examples......money where mouth is !!

or is the bit where i object to not being able to tell dirty jokes becos of kiddies ??? well thats true i do......then again this is a programming site so fair enuff....

or was it where i was laffing cos 12 y/o mental age is a moron !!!:) well i thought that was dead funny myself....

anyway if you think i'm gonna let a 13 y/o tell ME how to fight without me ripping him, ya gotta be joking !!
"trust me, i take out people twice my size"
don't you realise how annoying the above statement is for me ??
giving me advice cos hes done a bit of something...jeez
yes it was OTT and i had a right rant, but i'm a bit sick of it at my gym, it winds me up..so sorry Xterria...but we all have a rant sometimes...it is in your best interests believe me. and the fact that i was having a go at him means that i DON'T look down on kids, or i'd just think "stupid kid, not worthy of an answer"

and then you go on to talk at great length about beating up some fat kid, just cos you hate him, and hes said something bad about you !! you even say you can take him easy, and you're still gonna pick a fight ?? that makes you an immature bully in my book . or am i being a guru again....
and ((AP)you criticise me for bragging about fights and injuries???
i thought we were supposed to be listing our injuries ? i aint bragging, you think i WANT all these injuries?? i wish not one had happened......not one of mine is a braggable macho injury.....

i also wish i'd never ever had a fight in my life, you think i'm bragging??? i said i'd RUN AWAY to avoid fighting, cos its all macho bull**** !!! i haven't b4, but i would now ive grown up, i was hoping someone would take that advice, and yeah its cos i'm older and have learnt better.... that was what i was trying to say....oops guru again......i was hoping someone would think twice b4 fighting over **** all, but youve just proved me wrong........

and the thing with the taekwondo kids, i don't do it(their class is at my gym), i'm far too lazy now, but they are a joke, you get a 14 y/o black belt swaggering about like he owns the place.....it is worthy of ribbing!!!!! a lot have this "i can take out a guy twice my size" attitude. i hate it, and i was having a rant at it.

and about me winning most of my fights, mebe it is all luck, i don't intend to find out, if i can possibly avoid it......because ive grown up !! oops i'm going all Guru again....:)

stevey
04-30-2002, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by hk_mp5kpdw
No, I don't smoke the wacky weed, never have. As far as the shot goes, I figure one of three things was happening. The first is that they might have given me a placebo shot the first time, perhaps they thought I was faking the pain and just wanted to score a quick fix of some free narcotics. The second is that they may have given me a low dose either intentionally or unintentionally. The third is that for some reason I just have some higher than usual tolerance for pain medications.

In any case, if you ever do need pain relief ask for that dilaudid stuff cause it's sweet. I give it my enthusiastic two-thumbs-up. That second time in the hospital a friend of mine drove me there. Now she always laughs when she remembers the funny stuff I said and the dazed look I had after they gave me that shot. I'm sure she would have loved to have a videotape of my behavior at that point "under the influence". Frankly all I remember is saying something like: "Holy sh** I fell that stuff kicking in!" and then most everything else is a blur.

guess you an me have a high tolerance to morphine then...its a pity cos thats whats always used...i'll have to request dilaudid, ive never heard of that, sounds like some form of laudenum......sounds the stuff !!!!
i wonder if they have it on the NHS ???
bet they don't, our health service is crumbling badly !!:(

novacain
04-30-2002, 09:01 PM
Stevie,
I agree 100% with the taikwondo remarks. Get a real martial art. We here in Aussie are now teaching the French their own martial art, Savate (the WW2 French resistance form not the sport).

Think about it, its not the inscrutable Asian who needs to fight, its the infurating French who need to defend themselves.

As Oscar Wilde said "I am not young enough to know everything."

But a guru should know how to spell

'tuesday'

stevey
04-30-2002, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by novacain
Stevie,
I agree 100% with the taikwondo remarks. Get a real martial art. We here in Aussie are now teaching the French their own martial art, Savate (the WW2 French resistance form not the sport).

Think about it, its not the inscrutable Asian who needs to fight, its the infurating French who need to defend themselves.

As Oscar Wilde said "I am not young enough to know everything."

But a guru should know how to spell

'tuesday'

damn, i can't spell for toffee, also cant sleep, look at the time here !! i'm off right now.....

the score was also 1:1, so i can't get anything right......

cant spell, upsetting young people, can't predict a scoreline, can't get a programming job...
dammit i'm gonna top myself !!!!! ( a la series :) )

Unregistered
05-01-2002, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by novacain
Stevie,
I agree 100% with the taikwondo remarks. Get a real martial art.

Oh my God!!! That is a whole thread waiting to happen. Actually taekwondo is a real martial art, its taught to the Korean armed forces and some of the armed forces in the UK (RAF specifically). You think they teach it for a laugh?? Imagine the instructors laughing at all those soldiers and thinking "hehe just wait til they get into a "real" fight they're all gonna get there arses kicked!".
on't think so somehow.

I'm sure its not the stuff they teach in the average class and it most definitily is not that poncy stuff you see in the olympics, damn americans messed the whole martial art up - they cant get anything right :

stevey
05-01-2002, 03:21 PM
:)

yeah its different to the version they teach in my gym. they teach bits of taekwondo to British police too in the self-defense courses. as well as the arm locks, grappling etc

what i meant by this ->
>>sparring and boxing/martial arts is great and useful but the trick is not to be too cocky with it, thinking you know how to fight, leading you into situations that a non-black belt guy would avoid.....even if you have a black belt 3rd dan you may get a shock in your first REAL fight..

it seems to me a lot of people learn martial arts and it can lead them into fighting when they'd be better avoiding. and also they probably learn some impractical techniques. re my friend who tried a high kick for some reason. they will always tell you in a self-defense course not to kick above the waist.
course i'm not talking about it as a sport.

but you are obviously better off doing martial arts or boxing whatever, than sat on your arse watching TV !!!

Unregistered
05-01-2002, 04:14 PM
Exactly the point Stevie. In a real fight the winner is the one who is prepared to go the furthest, without a thought for himself or others.

That can be seen in martial arts classes as well. The very eager, very enthusiastic beginner will sometimes catch out the blackbelt because he wants to prove a point. If he wants it more it will happen, and the blackbelt will be going easy and get a kick when he least expects it. Trust me, been there and done it in a class - everyone loves to get one over on the best people in the room.

However, sometimes the cocky people really are the best, and their cockiness is the reason why - but only sometimes ;)

Clyde
05-01-2002, 04:35 PM
How effective a marshal artist is at combat depends on how the marshal art is taught.

People who study full-contact Karate are hard muthers.

Like many things in life experience matters more than technique (though in my humble opinion technique is worth something - put Bruce Lee up against a bar braller(sp?) and see what happens :))

stevey
05-01-2002, 06:28 PM
i think those no holds barred cage fighters/ultimate fighters are definitely the best fighters, after all it was conceived so that martial arts experts of different disciplines can fight each other.

it is noticable that they have all done martial arts, you don't see anyone who just learnt boxing, but generally 2 or 3 or more different martial arts, combining techniques from each, including a lot of grappling.
also noticable that the best are big, strong guys and that they have to grade them by weight like in boxing...

ie technique goes so far, but "a good big one, beats a good little one" as they say in boxing.
but surely Bruce is dead anyway??:)

but yeah, technique..if youve ever had the experience of sparring with a really good boxer...geez you can't land a glove on them at all..so embarrassing.....

its noticable how much of the ultimate fights end up with grappling on the floor, ie basically ALL of them, and also a lot of bar fights are very messy, wrestly.....
so i think you always ought to learn some floor work/grappling etc.

[btw i said i'd only lost one fight which is true, but i meant an actual FIGHT...i have been punched 3 times in the face and didn't respond, because i wasn't hurt and didn't want a fight but also because i was afraid. in each case it was a drunken idiot for no good reason]

sean345
05-01-2002, 06:50 PM
That can be seen in martial arts classes as well. The very eager, very enthusiastic beginner will sometimes catch out the blackbelt because he wants to prove a point. If he wants it more it will happen, and the blackbelt will be going easy and get a kick when he least expects it. Trust me, been there and done it in a class - everyone loves to get one over on the best people in the room.

This is true and it often happens in class, but I think it is those with the most experience that will win the fight. One of my instructors, the greatest sparrer I have fought with is good because he has the experience. He likes to tell the story that when he first started he was just like us. The dedication and practice which led to his experience made him better. When he first started training with instructors he got his butt kicked. It depends on the dedication and time you put into to get the experience to be better.

If you stick the beginner in a real fight against the black belt I would put my money on the black belt because of the experience. I know what you mean though, everyone wants a piece of those who are good.

- Sean

stevey
05-01-2002, 07:12 PM
what about a guy who has had a lot of REAL fights, against a black belt who has never had a real fight ??? the first time it happens, its so shocking...its a blur....
also, you will often find that many instructors have never had a real fight, or they had a few at school cos they were bullied, and thats why they took up martial arts. they tend to have never had a real fight after they learnt their skills.
and i wouldn't blame them. i would maintain that you can get out of 95% of fights just by losing face. big deal, i'll just have to lose face, rather than lose part of my face !!

sparring is the best simulation of fighting you have of course.

also the relative size of the guys has a big impact. i think it is a big help to build yourself up.

compjinx
05-01-2002, 09:15 PM
Hmmm, bit by a fire ant in mexico, didn't do any damage but it stung bad.

Dual-Catfish
05-01-2002, 09:25 PM
Ooooh... forgot to mention...

An electric screwdriver fell off a shelf above my bed when I kicked the cord... it landed straight on my two front teeth (both adult teeth) snapping one of them clean in half, and breaking the other off (although this one didn't fall out)

I also got a hockey stick in the mouth, it put 4 of my teeth through my lip and broke the other front tooth off again (the same one, but yet it never actually fell out)