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ggs
08-10-2001, 10:26 AM
Since linux opposers have taken the first few posts at the linux board, I've decided to be unoriginal and do a first post here before Doubleanti gets here ;)

FIRST POST!

Govtcheez
08-10-2001, 10:30 AM
Ooooohhhhh, he's gonna be ticked...

Don't mind the colors - jsut playing with the new features... Since when is tomato a color?

:D

-KEN-
08-10-2001, 10:32 AM
I gotcha BOTH beat: I was the first person to post on the _old_ DOS board (which escalated into the famed: "Ahhh...finally" fight)

doubleanti
08-10-2001, 11:49 AM
bastards!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

Witch_King
08-10-2001, 01:34 PM
DOS bites

Hillbillie
08-10-2001, 04:12 PM
>"Ahhh...finally" fight

don't remind me...

THis new board is weird.....kinda like the one at BeGroovy...

mfc2themax
08-10-2001, 11:56 PM
bastards!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh oh now that doubleanti is ........ed off all hell will break loose.

Besides i beat all of you. FIRST POST. ANYWHERE ON THIS BOARD! muahahahaha!

doubleanti
08-11-2001, 06:14 PM
Oh oh now that doubleanti is ........ed off all hell will break loose.

does that mean that you guys see me as a ........-head??? just curious... if so then y? i like dos, but if u guys see me as a jerk then i'd give up dos to be expressed correctly... :)

Witch_King
08-11-2001, 07:23 PM
If you gave up DOS doubleanti than we could get rid of this board and put up a C# board.

...besides now DOS is a DOS virtual machine that runs through the Win32 API on all modern versions of Microsoft Windows operating systems. Many DOS apps do not even run any more in the virtual machine. You can not write programs to directly access hardware, if any of those commands still work it is only because they are re-interpreted by Win32, which contols all kernal mode processes.

They only reason why this board should exist is because there are still some very old compilers out there that are being used to educate 'C' programmers. There is no other reason!

mfc2themax
08-11-2001, 10:09 PM
>does that mean that you guys see me as a ........-head???

Yes we do :D hehe
no i was just kiddin'

doubleanti
08-11-2001, 10:31 PM
If you gave up DOS doubleanti than we could get rid of this board and put up a C# board.

if that's the general consensus, then it is an honor to be the flag bearer of an entire message board!!! just the same, i agree... (not with the C# part necessarily, just the 'if doubleanti gave up' part...) :) you have a good point... sheesh... wierd... i thought i already made myself clear, or unclear, for the matter... with my post on the gen disc a while back...

Witch_King
08-12-2001, 01:30 AM
I even question the need for the 'Windows' board by mid 2002, since Visual C++ and MFC will not likely be continued. Win32/COM is going to be phased out by .NET. Applications running on WinXP. They will function through the .NET framework which is built into the operating system. We are moving into new territory indeed that is being designed ultimately for I64 technology.

I'm still waiting for .NET to reveal itself, however I'm certain that DOS is not very helpful to anyone.

no-one
08-12-2001, 01:42 AM
so your saying there should be no DOS board but a .NET board instead?

if you want a .NET board go to the den of evil itself at
http://www.codeguru.com

biosx
08-12-2001, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by ggs
Since linux opposers have taken the first few posts at the linux board, I've decided to be unoriginal and do a first post here before Doubleanti gets here ;)

FIRST POST!

lol :D

I just ran your program in your sig.

Very creative, haha!

mithrandir
08-13-2001, 12:18 AM
I even question the need for the 'Windows' board by mid 2002

Yeah I'm sure everyone in the whole world will magically start developing for Windows XP. Generally speaking, home users account for a very small percentage of systems users of in-house software.

Most Information Systems that have been established in organisations aren't likely to jump ship to a new OS if it is not cost feasible or will not create competitive advantage. What is best isn't always what is needed.

Example: at least 80% of all databases in the US are still written in COBOL with a Oracle or otherwise interface. COBOL is an ancient language in computer terms, but why is it still used? Cause it does the job, and it would be too expensive to upgrade the platform.

Why if companies are willing to use COBOL for more that 20 years, would they in two years jump XP? It won't happen. If there can be no real justification other than a new GUI, then it won't be implemented. Think in terms of installing XP, training users, upgrading hardware, and so on - very expensive for just a new OS.

I fail to see your logic in there not being a need for a Windows board. I doubt many software companies could afford to simply stop providing Win9x compatitble software, in there are still even 50% of organisations using XP.

Witch_King
08-13-2001, 12:25 AM
Gradually it becomes more expensive to maintain old systems than it is to add functionality through new technology (re-engineer).

List of systems

Transaction Processing Systems
Office Automation Systems and Knowledge Work Systems
Management Information Systems
Decision Support Systems
Expert Systems and Artificial Intelligence
Group Decision Support Systems and Computer-Supported Collaborative Work Systems
Executive Support Systems

mithrandir
08-13-2001, 01:45 AM
Gradually it becomes more expensive to maintain old systems than it is to add functionality through new technology (re-engineer).

In some cases this is true, however the trend is that most systems will continue to be upgraded in the short-term, than in one massive overhaul. As I had stated previously, in the US most systems are still the same as they were a decade or so ago.

You have failed to state how a system which supports XP is going to have an advantage over a system that runs Windows 9x/NT or UNIX/Linux for that matter. "Just because it's better" does not mean that it will be justifiable in all circumstances.

This isn't 1994. Windows 95 was only a success because it was the first OS of its kind introducing many advanced features (e.g-preemptive multitasking). But what has changed in Windows since? 98 was just 95 with enhanced USB/Web support, Me is a 98/NT hybrid with some "idiot-proof" functions tacked on. How will XP radically change the way in which we work, play or otherwise?

Witch_King
08-13-2001, 01:50 AM
Yes, I have justified myself over and over again but I am sick of having to type out the same informaton. (see my posts on the Linux thread ...news for linux users)

mithrandir
08-13-2001, 02:17 AM
No you haven't. In fact you've dodged my questions - because you are making unjustified claims about XP and .NET. I agree that .NET has some advantages, but don't be so sure that it will be a success.

Witch_King
08-13-2001, 02:29 AM
Go back to the Linux thread because I posted a link there to back my claims. Also, I continue to battle people unto eternity. Stick around and you will see. I don't give up.

No, I don't know everything about .NET but in time I will because I'm going to be using it for sure.

mithrandir
08-13-2001, 02:46 AM
Also, I continue to battle people unto eternity. Stick around and you will see. I don't give up.

Neither do I :)

And I have read that link, while yes it is a good outline of the .NET strategy, I prefer to read several sources of information before commiting myself to a view point. I've been reading about .NET since last year, and confidence in it is at best shaky. This is a big gamble for Microsoft, it will be interesting to see if it will pay off.

Witch_King
08-13-2001, 02:47 AM
I just want a C# board, that's all. I have to go to sleep now. Talk to you all later.