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kermi3
03-28-2002, 12:40 PM
Ok I come here to address an issue. I have noticed, an increase in profanity and inappropriate language recently. I spent ten minutes yesterday editing one thread alone.

We have programmers of all ages here on this web site. Therefore, we like to keep content on the board at a PG level. For that reason I would ask everyone to refrain from using profanity or any inappropriate language. This would include the S P A C E I T O U T method and the *I*M**N*O*T**C*U*R*S*I*N*G* method, and links to pornographic web sites within posts.

Also it is my personal belief that if you really need to use profanity to express your opinion is it really a well thought out opinion anyway?

Thank you all for your cooperation.

Kermi3
Moderator

dbaryl
03-28-2002, 01:58 PM
I'm in 100% agreement with you on this one. I don't think that a programming site needs all that profanity or pornography on it, and I'd appreciate if people didn't post such content on the site.

Magos
03-28-2002, 02:05 PM
How about prognografy? :) (joke)

ygfperson
03-28-2002, 02:49 PM
i agree, although i haven't really noticed it. i suggest replacing such language with a phrase along the lines of:
(and btw, i want you. bad.)

or

(and btw, i don't know what i'm talking about.)

or even

(and btw, i disagree with my previous post. hanson, vanilla ice, and sesame street all rock!)

this should convince the swearers among us to just shut up

golfinguy4
03-28-2002, 04:56 PM
Just out of curiousity, is sucks and blows banned? Sorry, had to ask.

Scourfish
03-28-2002, 11:17 PM
Keeping it clean is fine in most cases, yet antiseptic, politically- correct speech doesn't work and won't be barred. Not even on a privately run message board.

But if one is trying to spread opinions, the most easiest way to gratify one's emotional reaction is to talk in the vernacular, and common vernacular language has embraced swearing as less profane with every passing generation; besides, a five letter word can invoke an emotional response that is far more powerful than a clean word. Saying "This cooking tastes like poopoo!", for example, takes more time for the concept of one expressing disdain for somebody's cooking as quickly as "This cooking tastes like *removed for the sake of the children, who will learn it a day later from their friends*". And when it comes to taking saving time and space, the cost of saving bandwidth on shorter messages on a forum should be a relief for those who fork over their hard earned cash to pay the hosting.

So, in forth, I must agree somewhat with this mod's request; yet at the same time I cannot fully comply.

>Also it is my personal belief that if you really need to use >profanity to express your opinion is it really a well thought out >opinion anyway?

That can be debated, as the protesters of the 60's and 70's, who marched through Washington DC with the opinion that the Vietnam war was wrong, used profanity profusely.


No offense to the fans of Tipper Gore out there, but please try and be a little more open minded. Censorship only leads to evil things like the CBDTPA, which severly hinders and stops many forms of self expression.

lightatdawn
03-29-2002, 07:31 PM
Scourfish, Kermi3... I'm with you on this one... :D

I'd have to agree with both of you. I'm a cussin S.O.B. myself and see no reason that i shouldnt fully use any and all words at my disposal. English is limited enough as it is.

However... This is a private message board (as mentioned) and I'm not one to force anything on people who do not wish to hear/read it. Therefor i fully support removing the generally offensive language (and will myself aid in doing so).

I might utter the occasional four (thats four, not five as scourfish mentions ;)) letter word but I'm not obnoxious about it. I'm happy to keep it to myself, as it harms me not at all to restrict my vocabulary.

Betazep
03-29-2002, 07:45 PM
I make full utilization of profanity daily. I still do not think that it is professional, proper, or polite... reguardless of the application.

This cookie tastes like *

or

This cookie is horrible.

Curse with your friends... not with your collegues and contemporaries. If you friends are both, then know when things are casual and when they are professional and don't mix the two.

Sometimes restraint from doing what you could do when you want to, makes you a more rounded person. Because let's face it... even though we may just see them as mere words, and descriptive ones at that, the remainder of the english speaking world doesn't.

I am one of the people that wants censorship. Lock it down. We are free to speak and write how ever we want............... someplace else.

;)



>>>>(and btw, i disagree with my previous post. hanson, vanilla ice, and sesame street all rock!)

LOL

shtarker
03-29-2002, 08:44 PM
I THINK YOU'RE ALL (and btw, i want you. bad.) PEICES OF (and btw, i don't know what i'm talking about.)!!!!!!!!!!

ALL YOU MODERATORS ARE JUST (and btw, i disagree with my previous post. hanson, vanilla ice, and sesame street all rock!) PEICES OF (I consider Britney Spears to be a talanted performer and I respect her views and opinions.)!!!!!

AND ANY ONE WHO DISAGREES IS A (The doctor said the the swelling should go down within a week, but I shouldn't think about kids any time soon.)!!!!!!!!

Hmmmm. . . . . . .
Its different but not entirely a bad idea.

blight2c
03-30-2002, 11:51 PM
English is limited enough as it is

wha. . . :confused: English is the most versitile language i know (5 natural, 1 code).

aside from the 8 million words, about 7 million more than the most verbose romantic/germanic, we have also word order placement, cadence varation, multiple meanings for each gerund depending on sysntax, punctuation, facial expressions, even the time of day (should i bother to mention, "synslag", "intertype", and just an abyss of undocumentable slang terms.

gosh, if anything i'd say English is too limitless.

Betazep
03-31-2002, 01:58 AM
I would say you are absolutely right...

bravo! Well said.

Epoc
04-02-2002, 07:35 PM
I think you all are some momma boys that sux each others
D-I-C-K-S (oops was i not supposed to say that) u should be able to express yoursel*F*
in any way yo*U* want with out anyone
trying to restri*C*t your freedom of speach. If your worried about little *K*ids picking 'bad things' they shouldn't have access to the internet they might see naked *B*uts or
*I*naproprety
con*T*ent
whi*C*h are trying to
s*H*elter them from
They pick them up from movie*S* through sublimital
m*E........ages worry more about them
finding your *X* rated movies under your bed and seeing you are a hipa*C*rit
exact*L* what u are
try*I*ng
*T*o *P*rotect them from
*U*nless you change
your*S*elves how can u 'protect' the
little kid*S* these things.
*Y*ou never even cuaght this :)

~Any idot can walk into a populated area with a gun and kill a
few people and have 5 minutes of fame. Find a more creative
way to do it to a lot of people all at once then see how long
your fame last. Experiment take a cup of bleach and pour it into
a cup then pea in it....ouuuu look at the bublbes~

Vinnie
04-02-2002, 07:36 PM
I agree with Epoc

-KEN-
04-02-2002, 08:57 PM
How lovely that Epoc misspells half of his post (excluding any filtered words)

Anyway, I couldn't disagree more. Why expose the kids to things even moreso? Not to mention the fact that it's just not polite speach in a board like this where you're conversing with total strangers.

shtarker
04-02-2002, 11:03 PM
~Any idot can walk into a populated area with a gun and kill a
few people and have 5 minutes of fame. Find a more creative
way to do it to a lot of people all at once then see how long
your fame last. Experiment take a cup of bleach and pour it into
a cup then pea in it....ouuuu look at the bublbes~


How come people who complain about free speech rarely have anything worth while to say?

Betazep
04-03-2002, 07:01 PM
>>>Not to mention the fact that it's just not polite speach in a board like this where you're conversing with total strangers.


And that is a good point. Be polite...

People seem to curse a lot of times because it makes them feel empowered beyond what they are, because it is cool, because it can bring a point home, and/or because they are just plain used to doing it.

Certainly it isn't necessary though. You can make pretty much the same point by saying, "You are a retarded idiot" as "You are a &&&&ing idiot."


>>>Any idot can walk into a populated area with a gun and kill a
few people and have 5 minutes of fame.

Especially an idiot like you. :eek:

>>How come people who complain about free speech rarely have anything worth while to say?

How true it is....

Govtcheez
04-03-2002, 09:56 PM
Vinnie agrees with Epoc 1 minute after Epoc makes his post... Hmmm....

::checks IPs::

Wow, I'm stunned.

no-one
04-04-2002, 10:41 AM
ygfperson,

that is an absolutly brilliant idea!! its not only entertaining but a deterent!

Epoc
04-04-2002, 05:37 PM
I think you all are a bunch of pathetic looser that have little control over your own lives and are trying to make yourselves feel better by "stopping the profanity." I think you should all grow up and except that there are men out there whos balls have actually dropped, unlike yourselves, that are not afraid to excersize their freedom of speech. Sure we could use other words in place of our "bad words" if we wanted too.

>>> People seem to curse a lot of times because it makes them feel empowered beyond what they are, because it is cool, because it can bring a point home, and/or because they are just plain used to doing it

Betazep is an example of the balless looser i am talking about. Don't worry, some day your mommy will give you your balls


>>>>>>Any idot can walk into a populated area with a gun and kill a few people and have 5 minutes of fame.

>>>Especially an idiot like you.

I am much more creative than that, if and when i do something of this nature it wont be something just talked about for a few weeks or even a month tops. It would be something so horrifying and orginal my fame will live much much longer, I'd surpase Hitler, Alexander the Great, Caesor, all of them.

-KEN-
04-04-2002, 06:36 PM
Ah, thanks man, that last post of yours summarized your utter stupidity better than I ever could have.

ygfperson
04-04-2002, 06:41 PM
free speech cannot be stopped over the internet. you can cuss until you're blue in the fingers. so what if people at one tiny (no offense) island in the internet ocean are asked not to use shunned words. it doesn't even matter if a whole lot of the ocean has similar swear-forbidding islands.

my kernel of wisdom: so (and btw, i disagree with my previous post. hanson, vanilla ice, and sesame street all rock!)ing what.

-KEN-
04-04-2002, 06:55 PM
wha..? I wanna try out and see if that's really the new filter

//edit: nevermind, I guess it was his way of being cute.

stevey
04-05-2002, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Epoc


I am much more creative than that, if and when i do something of this nature it wont be something just talked about for a few weeks or even a month tops. It would be something so horrifying and orginal my fame will live much much longer, I'd surpase Hitler, Alexander the Great, Caesor, all of them.

surpassing Hitler for evilness ?? thats ambitious !!

his total was about 40 million dead, including gassing 6 million jews. how are you planning to beat that ????? and why ?????

can't you just kill yourself ?????

Epoc
04-05-2002, 05:37 PM
>>> Ah, thanks man, that last post of yours summarized your utter stupidity better than I ever could have.

Must have been to much for you to handle Ken, couldn't even explain how you came to that. What's wrong put your foot in your mouth?

>>>can't you just kill yourself ?????

Now where is the fun it that?




<-Run run as fast as u can, I still kill you, i'm Epoc man->

-KEN-
04-05-2002, 06:32 PM
>>Must have been to much for you to handle Ken, couldn't even explain how you came to that. What's wrong put your foot in your mouth?<<

Someone please make sense out of that. Sounds like the defensive of a mentally deficient human being. What's wrong? Drool all over your shirt?

>>Now where is the fun it that?

I, for one, would find great fun in it.

Aran
04-05-2002, 07:24 PM
I know how you could easily "kill" a few billion people.


Blow up the place where they store China's birth certificate records. That's an easy and non-violent way to "kill" lots of people.

stevey
04-06-2002, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by -KEN-

>>Now where is the fun it that?

I, for one, would find great fun in it.

i don't think you'd be alone !

no point arguing anway, why don't you just recommend a good shrink for the kid????

Brian
04-06-2002, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by kermi3
Ok I come here to address an issue. I have noticed, an increase in profanity and inappropriate language recently. I spent ten minutes yesterday editing one thread alone.

We have programmers of all ages here on this web site. Therefore, we like to keep content on the board at a PG level. For that reason I would ask everyone to refrain from using profanity or any inappropriate language. This would include the S P A C E I T O U T method and the *I*M**N*O*T**C*U*R*S*I*N*G* method, and links to pornographic web sites within posts.

Also it is my personal belief that if you really need to use profanity to express your opinion is it really a well thought out opinion anyway?

Thank you all for your cooperation.

Kermi3
Moderator

/* Edited for content by Moderator */

ygfperson
04-06-2002, 01:14 PM
wow. what an answer!

Quentin Richardson
04-11-2002, 06:48 PM
words are words..

/* Yes, and yours are now gone... Edited for content by a Moderator */

Unregistered
04-11-2002, 06:50 PM
That is just absurd. I don't beleive you understand. People don't NEED to use cuss words in order to make an intelligent point. Please refrain. Gracias por tu perro.

lightatdawn
04-11-2002, 11:39 PM
>> People don't NEED to use cuss words in order to make an intelligent point. Please refrain.

He has been 'refrained'. ;) No problemo, senor.

Esparno
04-12-2002, 11:55 AM
Man, i hate 13 year old kids who troll the message boards all over the internet until they find something to dissagree with and just make a ("*Donkey*") out of themselves by posting against the grain to make them feel better in their pathetic lives that they get on the computer for 1 hour a day in between rapings and beatings from their father! (This is towards you Epoc)

frenchfry164
04-15-2002, 04:29 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahahahahaha hahhahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

I'm sorry. This thread is just soooo funny

HHHAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!

Betazep
04-15-2002, 06:46 PM
>>>I think you all are a bunch of pathetic looser that have little control over your own lives and are trying to make yourselves feel better by "stopping the profanity." <<<

Good at spelling foul language... poor at spelling 'loser' and doesn't understand plurals.

I believe the majority of us here are quite the opposite of your tirade "pathetic looser" speech. Many of us have been all around the world, have good jobs (or are good students approaching good jobs), and have dealt with many peons like you in our lives.

On your other comment, let me check... yep 'nads still there, beautiful wife still there, brilliant child still there, six figure income still there, home in Hawaii still there, world travels still there...

Oh... but you are a real winner. You can use foul language, and yet my clean language ........es you off to no end. Imagine that chump.

Perhaps you are the one with a lot of growing up to do... :eek:

itld
04-15-2002, 08:10 PM
howdy,
i am an iron worker i work with guys and gals that reinvent profanity everyday, that said i pretty much ignore posts and for that matter threads that need to focus more on SHOCK profanity with little intelligent content,

btw
I'm sorry. This thread is just soooo funny - i agree - talk about abuse of a simple subject.

M.R.

tyler
04-15-2002, 09:27 PM
>>I think you all are a bunch of pathetic looser that have little control over your own lives and are trying to make yourselves feel better by "stopping the profanity." I think you should all grow up and except that there are men out there whos balls have actually dropped, unlike yourselves, that are not afraid to excersize their freedom of speech. Sure we could use other words in place of our "bad words" if we wanted too.

It seems you are the pathetic loser without control over your MOUTH.

Also, please don't disrespect other people's mothers...No true man with balls needs to make a come back by talking about someone's mother. Betazep, your mother is cool.

jdinger
04-16-2002, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Quentin Richardson
words are words..

/* Yes, and yours are now gone... Edited for content by a Moderator */

:p HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :p

I was going to comment, but I can't stop laughing long. The "Yes, and yours are now gone..." is one of the best comebacks I've ever heard! I don't know what the original post said ( nor do I want to ) but the Mod ( whicheve one ) just gained much cool points with that one!

Betazep
04-16-2002, 11:56 AM
>>>Betazep, your mother is cool.


Yeah... after dealing with me for my entire life, I guess she would have to be. ;)

lightatdawn
04-16-2002, 07:30 PM
>>much cool points with that one!

*sniff* Deeply touched. Thank you, thank you. ... :cool:

People like Epoc can take comfort in the fact that they're special. Things rarely bother me. He bothered me. I guess that makes him unique.

Nobody needs to swear. Personally, i know enough words to get by withough using three or four of them if i have to.

itld
04-16-2002, 08:41 PM
howdy,
in everyday conversation count the number of words the average joe on the street uses that contains more than four letters, then subtract all of the ones that qualify as profain the answer is most people dont know many words of more than four letters and less words that have a significant meaning.

M.R.

ygfperson
04-16-2002, 09:02 PM
my opinion:
swear if you want to, but only enough to get your point across
it doesn't matter how many words of the english language fit the meaning. the speaker has chosen these particular words to express him/herself. if it makes him/her sound like an idiot, chances are s/he is an idiot.
words are expressive. they convey more than a simple meaning. they show the character of the person speaking. banning swear words will not stop people of bad character from expressing their "opinion" anyway. it will just delay the recognition of those of bad character until after they have inserted a few bad ideas into our cerebrums.

george w bush called a reporter a "major league ****". clinton expressed his disdain at the media more subtlely. does clinton's message get across better or worse than bush's?

Strider
04-16-2002, 09:55 PM
Call me crazy, but I've always felt that the written word envolves more thought process than the spoken word.


Nobody needs to swear.

Exactly. People typically swear because they're trying to express there emotions vocally with little time to think about exactly what is being said. I swear just as everyone else does, but I usually force myself to think before I speak so the profanity is at a minimum. I have children and so I tend to be very watchful about what I say or do.

Which brings me back to my main point. If you find yourself consistently using profane language while posting or replying to posts, then you probably need to take some time away from the keyboard. Written communication should involve more thought. Even if it is just between friends.

After all, the best insults, rebukes, and opinions are the ones without all the "colorful metaphors" distracting from the point.

Flame away,
David

lightatdawn
04-16-2002, 09:57 PM
Mainly, i agree with you ygfperson. I've been known to be 'foul mouthed' (when i'm in a good mood mostly... i dont know....). But i keep it down around the people that are offended by it. It doesnt really make a lot of sense why [they are], but the fact is that some people dont like it. And since we want to keep this forum open and pleasant to all that want to enjoy it, the rule says keep it clean.

I dont really see what the problem is. It not a matter of opinion about whether people should swear or not. Just dont do it here, thats all. Works for me anyhow. *shrug*
[Monty Python] *and now for something completly different* [/Monty Python]

>>does clinton's message get across better or worse than bush's?

I'm sorry but the only thing i can remember Clinton saying is 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman.' And as for bush... i wasnt aware he said anything that someone didnt hand him on a piece of paper. :p

itld
04-16-2002, 10:36 PM
howdy,

And as for bush... i wasnt aware he said anything that someone didnt hand him on a piece of paper.

now i have to swear at you;
GW is a darn good pres so keep you frickin liberal profanity off him. just because his dang handle on the english language is so gosh darn poor doesn't mean you need to pick the heck out of him.

itld washes mouth out with soap.

M.R.