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Witch_King
09-13-2001, 05:14 PM
I think that the USA can take them, but what happens if Pakistan gets mad? Do you think they could beat the US!!!

Generator
09-13-2001, 05:24 PM
US has the alliance. I say the us should start assisinating terrorists especially your prophet.

Witch_King
09-13-2001, 05:25 PM
Yeah but what happens if Bin Lauden is an immortal? What is the USA going to do than?

Dissata
09-13-2001, 05:26 PM
okay, you are insane!

the united states would completely wipe out pakistan in a war!
especially after what just happened! think about it! (hint: united States has the largest andmost powerfull army in the world, pakistan isn't on the top 10!)
pakistan getting mad will not change anything! you think the United States aren't already mad and dying for justice?

oh and "your prophet" will die just as easily!

iain
09-13-2001, 05:35 PM
a few points for you to consider dean..

Bin Laden is a saudi dissident, not a pakistani

the majority of pakistanis feel the same as americans there are only a few sick individuals who condone the attacks.

If the US were to launch an attack on pakistan or any other country involved it would not be the US against them, it would be the US, the UK, Austrlia, virtually every European country and the full force of NATO. It would be a super army, the collective resource, intelligence and pure force is unimaginable.

Witch_King
09-13-2001, 05:41 PM
oh and "your prophet" will die just as easily!


My prophet is food! I have a Koran somewhere in my library!! Infact let me read:

I randomly turned to this:


Had they taken the field with you, they would have only added to your burden. They would have wormed their way through your ranks, seeking to sow discord among you: and among you there were some who would have been willing listeners. God knows the evil-doers."

Do you think it means that the evil doers are the USA?

Dissata
09-13-2001, 05:52 PM
that is the most generic quote I have every seen, or heard in my life, almost like the fortune cookie I had in my lunch today,


you are supposed to be doing whatever you are doing right now

ummmm, yah I guess so and I can name many instances where someone or somthing was a burdan and took everything.

ya, thats what you would call a thief!

iain
09-13-2001, 05:52 PM
dean, i accept that you have some 'alternate views' but i think that using the title 'taliban'uinder your user id is sick and showing severe disrespect for all those that have died.

Witch_King
09-13-2001, 06:01 PM
Quote from the Koran:


And when the envoys came to the house of Lot, he said to them: 'I do not know you'.


What happens if Pakistan says that to the USA army and sends them home? Will the war be over?

Generator
09-13-2001, 06:28 PM
Dean cracks me up. Are you saying all this shiznit just to get everyone ........ed off? Or is deVry really a secret training ground for bin laudens secret army? You know that would explain alot of your comments, what's lauden teaching you at deVry?

rick barclay
09-13-2001, 08:15 PM
>that is the most generic quote I have every seen, or heard in my life, almost like the fortune cookie I had in my lunch today, <

No-it's actually very instructive. Think about it a while.

rick barclay

Generator
09-13-2001, 08:30 PM
perhaps alittle off topic but I found it pretty depressing.



Breaking News from The Globe and Mail


Major bond trader left reeling

By ANDREW WILLIS
11:50 GMT-04:00 Thursday, September 13, 2001



It dominated the world's largest bond market from the top of a building that seemed on top of the world.

Now Cantor Fitzgerald LP,a bond brokerage house that employed 1,000 on the 105th through 110th floors of New York's World Trade Center, has been so decimated by Tuesday's terrorist attack that central banks are moving to soothe the market and prevent gouging by unscrupulous investors.

On any given day, the traders on Cantor's desks accounted for one-quarter of the trading in U.S. bonds, known as treasuries, with that market share rising to 60 per cent of the buying and selling of long-term government debt. Cantor dominated the huge flows of bonds that move among global financial players, where annual transactions of $3-trillion (U.S.) put stock markets to shame.

When a hijacked jetliner slammed into the 90th floor of the skyscrapers' north tower early Tuesday, Cantor's staff were cut off from the street far below. Some were on a conference call with their Los Angeles office, and those on the West Coast listened to screams: "Somebody's got to help us . . . We can't get out . . . The place is filling with smoke." Then the phones went dead.

Some Cantor employees did communicate with families and friends via cellphone, explaining that they were trying for the roof of the World Trade Center on the hope that helicopters might lift them to safety. At 10:30 a.m., the north tower collapsed.

Yesterday, Cantor executives said they had heard from about 215 of 1,000 New York employees.

The company has set up a grief counselling centre for employees' families and friends at Manhattan's Pierre Hotel, along with phone lines for the bereaved.

U.S. bond markets have not reopened since the World Trade Center was destroyed, but authorities are already taking steps to ensure Cantor's absence from the market doesn't translate into a field day for hard-hearted bond traders.

"The danger is that with liquidity down and volatility up, you'd see a hedge fund or someone similar try to manipulate treasuries to their own benefit," said a Toronto-based money manager. "All the central banks have made it clear that they're not going to stand for that kind of nonsense."

To keep confidence in markets, central banks have combined forces to inject $100-billion of liquidity into the fixed income arena since Tuesday morning. Bond analysts say the bankers are also twisting arms to ensure speculators are kept in check.

"The Bank of England issued one of the sternest warnings, saying that it frowned on speculation," said David Ebata, fixed income analyst for IFR BondData in Boston.

"The Bank of England also indicated that the U.S. Federal Reserve had communicated to all central banks to minimize trade in U.S. dollars."

David Adamo, head of fixed income research at Scotia Capital Inc., added: "Each institutional money manager will have a group of dealers that it will trade with. Obviously, with the situation at Cantor, the other dealer firms will try to pick up the slack."

The head of fixed income at one investment dealer said the New York branch of the U.S. Federal Reserve Board is extremely close to bond market players, and would move against any attempts to capitalize on liquidity squeezes by jumping into the market itself, or limiting the credit available to hedge funds and other speculators.

The horror that played out in Cantor's lofty offices is being felt in Toronto.

"We have a colleague here on our trading floor who is missing. He was on the 105th floor of the World Trade building, visiting Cantor Fitzgerald," said Sherry Cooper, chief economist at BMO Nesbitt Burns Inc. "He actually sent us an e-mail from his Blackberry asking for help early yesterday morning, and we haven't heard anything from him since."

With files from reporters Angela Barnes and Rob Carrick


Copyright 2001 The Globe and Mail

Zach L.
09-13-2001, 08:31 PM
Do you think it means that the evil doers are the USA?
That would depend on who you ask. There are many that would say it does, but there would be many that say it doesn't.

Unregistered
09-13-2001, 10:57 PM
Generatror:
The American stock market is in bigger trouble than they are
letting onto. It looks like much if not all of its records and
transaction capabilites might have been destroyed in the attack.
Cantor Fitgerald LP won't be the only casualty of this fiasco by
any stretch. This is close to a mortal wound.

RobS
09-14-2001, 01:42 AM
Pakistan, one of the few governments in the world to support the Taliban in Afganistan as pledged it's support to the USA "response".

If there was a war, no-one would win, do you seriously doublt that if the USA decided to wipe out Pakistan then since they'd (Pakistan) have nothing to lose wouldn't use their nuclear capability and destroy 5 (I think at last count) US cities.

novacain
09-14-2001, 02:50 AM
More of a threat is that the US will back Pakistan.
Suppling arms and aid that will then be used to fight India over Kashmir.

What I can't understand is all the US complaints about Bin Laudin. If you train people like him, Bin Laudin, and supply him with arms then how can you complain if he uses them against you?

It was the same with the Gulf war. The US supplied Sadam against Iran then had to deal with what they created.

It was the US that encouraged hijacking. They wanted to score political points against the USSR and so rewarded hijackers, calling them defectors and giving them asylum.

Don't be fooled. This was more about press and money than killing people.

Think about why the second plane hit 18min later. They wanted to give the TV time to get there. Also October is a soft time in the market, we are on the edge of a global recession. The US was set to pull up from its downward spiral and help the world recover. Now we will have a second BIG crash.

Govtcheez
09-14-2001, 06:10 AM
It's been said before in this sad excuse for a thread, but it needs to be said again. bin Laden doesn't have anything to do with Pakistan. He's originally from Saudi Arabia, is now in Afghanistan, and hates Israel. I don't see Pakistan in there, do you?

>Do you think it means that the evil doers are the USA?

No, since that talks about the infiltrators coming in and convincing people that they're right... At this point, I believe that refers to a very specific Canadian.