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Brian
03-02-2002, 12:53 PM
Me?
Weed, smoked in bong and Salvia, which isn't exactly illegal, but it is a halucinagen, which is cool :D.

Addictive drugs, I'm not touching those.

Nick
03-02-2002, 01:58 PM
Seems to explain alot ... :)

incognito
03-02-2002, 02:12 PM
nah I haven't.....well alcohol and puffs of cigarrets but that's not illegal.......you think that weed is not addictive Brian?

Brian
03-02-2002, 02:36 PM
Weed isn't physically addictive. It can be psycologically addictive. Lots of people get addicted to weed by smoking it with tobacco. Idiots.

shtarker
03-02-2002, 06:41 PM
You petty humans with your weak brains.
You can become addicted to anything.
MUHAHAHAHAHA

Betazep
03-02-2002, 06:46 PM
Drugs are illegal? Oh crap! :)

I never inhaled and I blew my nose.

j/k Drugs are bad. Don't do 'em.

Say no to drugs... always.

tim545666
03-02-2002, 08:33 PM
Half of my extended family got really screwed up with drugs. Don't get caught up in this stuff. It's not worth your life. I'm not touching any drugs besides alcohol. And I'm not touching that till I'm 18.

lightatdawn
03-02-2002, 11:53 PM
>>And I'm not touching that till I'm 18

Its a strange phenomenom thats gripped the world. Why do people seem to think that because they've reached the random age their respective govornment has deemed appropriate, that suddenly they cant do themselves any harm? That if they somehow intake some fermented fruit before they're x age that they will instantly and violently explode or something? wtf...

>>Drugs are bad. Don't do 'em.

Though not themselves "bad" per se i would have to agree that the damage they will eventually (instantly in certain cases) inflict is not IMHO worth the gains, which are pretty small anyhow. It seems to me that theres no difference between a little bud, tabacco, booze, smacking-yourself-in-the-head-with-a-mallet... j/k kinda on that last one. :) But if it turns your crank then you've got to decide if the pros outway the cons. Just make sure you know what you're doing. Theres a lot of myths on both sides of the drug argument.

I'm dont do any of whats usually classified as "drugs" but i cant in good concience say 'I dont do any drugs. Stay away from drugs.' when i'm not myself 30 minutes back from the Bar... Keep it in prespective.

Betazep
03-03-2002, 12:01 AM
Well... I am the embodiment of a hypocrite when it comes to drugs. I have to be. I am a parent and a role model. I have partaken in many activities that I do not regret and some that I do.

You know I drink booze from time to time still, else how are we going to have a beer together someday. :)

I will still tell my son to stay away from it as long as possible and to be safe with it when he rebels. I don't have a choice. It is my job.

And we have a lot of younger people here that may or may not be encouragable. Some people do drugs and alcohol and end up leading terrific lives. Some of my friends still work at fast food restaraunts because all they can think about is drugs and partying. One of my friends is dead from a heroin OD.

Don't do drugs. Period. If you do. Be safe about it. Use your head.

lightatdawn
03-03-2002, 01:13 AM
The fact of the matter (about this and all things) is that no matter how much good advice you recieve, you're still going to go out there and try it out for yourself. I can speak for myself at least when i say that theres a big difference between someone telling you that the stove is hot and putting your hand on it.

Just dont be an idiot and realise when you're getting burned.

Betazep
03-03-2002, 01:34 AM
>>>

The fact of the matter (about this and all things) is that no matter how much good advice you recieve, you're still going to go out there and try it out for yourself. I can speak for myself at least when i say that theres a big difference between someone telling you that the stove is hot and putting your hand on it.

<<<

Such was quite true in my case... but I cannot argue with the results of drug programs and parents talking to their children about drugs and such. The results of children staying off of drugs are pretty high in comparison to no intervention at all. It has proven effects...

Though it may seem to some (myself included) that life experience is of the highest importance. Sheltered people do not have depth in my opinion. When people lack a multitude of experiences (good and bad) in life, they seem shallow. They are missing something.

I know what addiction is. I know what living on the streets is. I know what pain and loss are. I know what true joy is (my son). I know what travelling the world, education, good jobs and other positive things are. These are the things that make up me.

Some people only know mommy and daddy's protective wing, a few years at college, and a good job. They are happy sometimes and impervious to that which makes me feel rich and rightous inside.

I wouldn't trade my experiences for all the money in world.

I liked the movie (and book) Sidhartha with Keeanu Reeves. He was sheltered in a world of beauty and never left outside its walls. He thought he had depth and compassion, but it wasn't until he experienced life, pain, and ugliness first hand that he truly had depth.

The blissful always think they have depth. I always smile and agree.... as I stare into their shallow eyes....

rav69dontknow
03-03-2002, 01:53 AM
yeah i tried all kinds of drugs.........weed being my drug of choice, but currently i'm drug free- only cuz i wanna get a job without worring about drug tests......hehehehe ;)

vasanth
03-03-2002, 08:46 AM
I will never ever try it. I dont think drugs are the only way to pleasure..

Brian
03-03-2002, 10:17 AM
Alcohol is more deadly than weed.

You can't overdose on weed. Only problems with weed are when you smoke it [which most people do], if you eat it [and you're sure it is just weed] you're 100% safe [unless you're allergic]. It's not toxic. I think alcohol might be physically addictive, too.

Prelude
03-03-2002, 10:21 AM
I never have and I probably won't in the future. I'm very uncomfortable with not being in full control of myself and my senses.

-Prelude

Fordy
03-03-2002, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Brian
Alcohol is more deadly than weed.

You can't overdose on weed. Only problems with weed are when you smoke it [which most people do], if you eat it [and you're sure it is just weed] you're 100% safe [unless you're allergic]. It's not toxic. I think alcohol might be physically addictive, too.

I agree......the main problem with cannabis is ignorance and misinformation.......

There are a few downfalls, but IMHO not as many as most vices that people use today.........there are definately less pitfalls with cannabis than alcohol.........

taylorguitarman
03-03-2002, 10:37 AM
I used to use "drugs" but haven't in quite a while (excepting for alcohol). I'm not going to say it's OK to do because it's very dangerous. But, I do believe that people should be allowed to do what they want to do (and suffer the concequences that come with it). I've seen many people do many more drugs than I ever did turn out fine, and people who did much less screw up their lives. Almost anything can be abused, it's how we use it that determines if it's good or bad.
My only advice: think before you do something.

klausi
03-03-2002, 11:57 AM
I agree with Stoned_Coder:
Free the weed!

klausi

incognito
03-03-2002, 12:01 PM
Weed is the gateway drug to some other more dangerous drugs.....this is true I know people that started with weed and moved up to some much more stronger stuff just to say that they
"did it", that's how it starts............

klausi
03-03-2002, 12:08 PM
But if weed were leagalized (it isnīt in Germany) it wouldnīt be that gateway-drug, because you can plant it easily, if you want.
And further there wouldnīt be the financial problem.

klausi

klausi
03-03-2002, 12:30 PM
>illegal or not illegal...
It alway depends on the culture.
Cultures always accept those drugs which fit to them and are easily to produce.

klausi

incognito
03-03-2002, 12:46 PM
I am not saying that they go to other drugs because of the money I mean that they start trying other drugs just for the heck of it......after of course they started with weed. I mean I know a bunch of people that do weed and that doesn't make them any less my friends, it's just that once they start with it a lot of times they go to other much stronger drugs and then the troubles start.

Fordy
03-03-2002, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by elchulo2002
Weed is the gateway drug to some other more dangerous drugs.....this is true I know people that started with weed and moved up to some much more stronger stuff just to say that they
"did it", that's how it starts............

I disagree.......

The only reason why people go on to harder drugs is that the dealer who sells a little puff also sells ecsatcy, speed, trips and the like.......to get cannabis you have to get exposed to other drugs and those that use them.....

If there was some sort of progression......why doesnt alcohol progress into other drugs? - the reason.....cuz you dont have to come into contact with other drugs to consume alcohol.......

Brian
03-03-2002, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by Fordy


I disagree.......

The only reason why people go on to harder drugs is that the dealer who sells a little puff also sells ecsatcy, speed, trips and the like.......to get cannabis you have to get exposed to other drugs and those that use them.....

If there was some sort of progression......why doesnt alcohol progress into other drugs? - the reason.....cuz you dont have to come into contact with other drugs to consume alcohol.......

Yeah someone put base in my salvia once.

I kinda passed out.
-thats why its best to grow your own or know the person who grows it very well.

incognito
03-03-2002, 02:14 PM
Well I know some of the dealers and I don't think they force them to buy anything.......I mean I know the dealer that deals to this certain people.

Brian
03-03-2002, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by elchulo2002
Well I know some of the dealers and I don't think they force them to buy anything.......I mean I know the dealer that deals to this certain people.

huh?

incognito
03-03-2002, 03:10 PM
The only reason why people go on to harder drugs is that the dealer who sells a little puff also sells ecsatcy, speed, trips and the like.......to get cannabis you have to get exposed to other drugs and those that use them.....




Thank you for proving my point, exactly they get exposed which in turn leads them to harder and stronger drugs.

Fordy
03-03-2002, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by elchulo2002
Thank you for proving my point, exactly they get exposed which in turn leads them to harder and stronger drugs.

Well....no

You said



Weed is the gateway drug to some other more dangerous drugs

I would say that its more the fact that weed is illegal that many people use it as a gateway drug......There's no direct side effect of weed that forces people to seek out more powerfull drugs

incognito
03-03-2002, 03:29 PM
What are the harmful effects, of manjuana?
Marijuana is addictive (3); it adversely affects the immune system (4), leads to the use of other drugs, such as cocaine (5); it causes cancer, including cancer of the lungs, mouth, lip, and tongue (6).
Marijuana also casues respiratory diseases (7) and mental disorders, such as schizophrenia and other psychoses, depression, panic attacks, hallucinations, paranoia, hostility, depersonalization, flashbacks, decreased cognitive performance, disconnected thought, delusions, and impaired memory (8). Since marijuana impairs coordination and judgment, it is a major cause of accidents (9). Babies born to women who smoke marijuana during pregnancy have an increased incidence of leukemia (10), low birth weight (11) and other abnormalities.


All I have to say about this is.....it's your choice smoke responsibly :D

Fordy
03-03-2002, 03:44 PM
Where did that quote come from?

Half of it is rubbish....

Half of those horrors are attributable to tobacco....

The one about impaired judgement.....well that's a symptom with millions of prescribed drugs...

And as for impaired memory....................................


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.....What were we talking about again? :p :p :p

incognito
03-03-2002, 03:46 PM
LMAO :D :) :D :p

shtarker
03-03-2002, 03:49 PM
The problem with weed as far as i'm concerned is that the active chemicam THC is fat soluable. So the effects of just one joint actually last for atleast 3 months. . . . .

incognito
03-03-2002, 03:53 PM
and one more thing......just look at Brian that's more than enough to make you not want to smoke weed. :D

Brian
03-03-2002, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by shtarker
The problem with weed as far as i'm concerned is that the active chemicam THC is fat soluable. So the effects of just one joint actually last for atleast 3 months. . . . .

No, when it is absorped into fat, it gets another name and form (with no effects) which also happens to be abbriviated to THC, the effects last about 15 minutes to an hour.

Hillbillie
03-03-2002, 05:56 PM
>Salvia<

Finally! I'm not the only one who's tried this! :D It's a crazy experience, eh Brian? ;)

---EDIT---

And as for weed, most people that know me here know how I feel about this. Weed is all good and everything if that's all you do and you moderate yourself. Last night me and a bud toked up and had a great time just laughing at nothing and eating a crapload. Nothing is wrong with this as long as it doesn't happen every 5 minutes and it stays in the realm of weed.

The cons of weed:

Makes you lazy.
Screws your memory up big time.
Gives you muscle spasms sometimes (hehe, well for me at least)

Pros of weed compared to other drugs:

Not physically addicting.
No hangover.
Won't screw up your life if you don't let it.

As for the weed vs. alcohol thing, I'd much rather my kid get into weed than alcohol.

rav69dontknow
03-03-2002, 07:23 PM
hi.........i've smoked weed for many years joints, blunts, and even homemade bongs, but i don't know what's salvia!! what is that??

Xterria
03-03-2002, 07:42 PM
you people are really scaring me.

whistlenm1
03-03-2002, 07:58 PM
IMHO weed is not a gateway drug if u believe that u probably believe in the SANTA CLAUSE. I, dont smoke anymore due to drug testing, but I can say this. Their are measures of dangers to anything u abuse weed, alcohol, coke, heroin, food, the only difference is when the related problems take effect

So if u are going to smoke or do stronger drugs, becareful if like me u have responsibilities u know what ur decision to drug use is, if I wont to when I'm rich or retired and kids all grown up.
:) :D :cool:

Hillbillie
03-03-2002, 08:12 PM
>but i don't know what's salvia!! what is that??<

http://www.salvia-divinorum.org

It's a natural, legal, hullucinogenic drug that Mexican natives have been using for years in aiding Shamanic (sp/new word?) ceremonies. It's by far the most strongest drug I've ever used. My advice is: don't. But, if you do, be careful. :)

Govtcheez
03-03-2002, 08:25 PM
I see elchulo's been visiting propaganda websites again... Fordy's right - most of what you said are the same dangers that cigarettes present, yet those are totally legal...

> IMHO weed is not a gateway drug if u believe that u probably believe in the SANTA CLAUSE.

I don't understand... Do you mean the Santa Clause, like in that Tim Allen movie (there's a sequel on the way, btw), or that weed is a gateway drug, or that there's no Santa Claus? Don't talk smack about Kris Kringle, young man!

bobish
03-03-2002, 10:26 PM
every ones talking about doing drugs responsably ive never met a resposabel drug user before.

dbaryl
03-03-2002, 11:50 PM
...all this talk about being responsible when doing drugs...

I'm not doing any of that to my body, responsibly or not. I'd rather not do it at all... Also, what is the point at all? Why would a half-normal human being like me ever try any drugs at all, either addictive/non-addictive/un-addictive/whatever [no, don't worry, if you tell me you won't suddently make me want to do it :) ]

Hillbillie
03-04-2002, 12:30 AM
>every ones talking about doing drugs responsably ive never met a resposabel drug user before.<

Never met someone that drinks (in moderation) and doesn't drive drunk? Never met someone who smokes weed (in moderation), but does so in the privacy of their home not bothering anyone?

To me, those are examples of responsible drug users.

dbaryl
03-04-2002, 01:25 AM
I just don't see how doing drugs can be responsible in any way, shape, or form. I know many of you guys that do that are way more responsible than me, but that is not the point. IMHO, the act in itself can not be responsible, that's all.

Govtcheez
03-04-2002, 07:35 AM
> Never met someone that drinks (in moderation) and doesn't drive drunk?

::raises hand::

> IMHO, the act in itself can not be responsible, that's all.

How is it so irresponsible? How is it any more harmful than drinking or smoking?

nvoigt
03-04-2002, 08:55 AM
Have you ever seen a successful drug user ?

There might be rich drug users.
There might be intelligent drug users.
There might be responsible drug users.
But have you ever seen a successful one ?

Happy ? Satisfied ? At peace ?

I only know people with problems using drugs.


Don't do drugs !

Govtcheez
03-04-2002, 08:59 AM
> Have you ever seen a successful drug user ?

Well, yeah... Just because someone uses drugs occasionally doesn't mean their lives automagically go to hell. If they abuse them, then probably it will, but it's not a certainty...

Govtcheez
03-04-2002, 09:01 AM
And for the record, I've never done drugs...

nvoigt
03-04-2002, 09:44 AM
>Just because someone uses drugs occasionally doesn't mean their lives automagically go to hell.


I didn't mean that I knew how this phenomenon can be explained. I wouldn't say drugs lead to an unhappy life without fail. It's more that you don't need drugs if you have a fulfilled life. And consequently, the only drug users I know, who are far from abusing it, are the least happy people. Not unhappy, but generally, of all people I know, those who use drugs are those I wouldn't want to change lives with.

Drugs change your way of being in control of things. Drugs make you lose control. If someone isn't happy with how things run when s/he is in control of her/his own actions, maybe it would be better to change reality than changing the perception of reality through drugs.

I'm not a saint. Though I never used illegal drugs ( weed is one in Germany ), there are enough legal ones out there, the first being alcohol. Using alcohol as a way to change perception of reality is not good. Downing another Tequila shot before talking to that hotie at the bar should not be the way to deal with problems.


Also, for me there is always one additional level of drug (ab)use.
If you drink a beer with friends at a bar, it's one level. If you drink one alone at home, it's one step further.


PS:
No, I don't need fun to get drunk :p

Scourfish
03-04-2002, 10:03 AM
Well, I don't do em, but Jimmy Carter once said that the only consequence for drugs should be the adverse effects it causes on somebody.

The thing that chomps my ass about drugs is the violence around the politics of drug dealing. I've seen firsthand somebody get shot over a drug deal, and this was in Ohio in some expensive shopping mall, not a run down inner city alleyway. Needless to say, being the pussy I am, I floored it and got my ass out of the parking lot. When I was 15, I was held up at gunpoint by a crack addict for an entire $15, while the whole time the guy was saying something about some guy named Tony, who I can assume is a drug dealer, coming to collect.

So, should drugs be illegal? I dunno. But the violence is.