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Cheeze-It
09-10-2001, 01:37 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah... But I have a real reason for
hating them.

For the past few months (since E3), I couldn't
decide on what new console to buy this November.
Xbox or GameCube? I was leaning towards GC, but
hadn't all-the-way decided yet...

I hate bundles. I only want to buy the system,
not be forced to buy the system + a game + two
third-party periphials + a duck. It's lame.

Anywho, apparently Micro$oft (that is how you express
your hatred for them, right? Replacing the "S"
with an "$"?) is forcing retailers to sell pre-
orders of the Xbox as bundles. Dumb!

In order to get an Xbox by Christmas, you must
pre-order an Xbox, a Microsoft game, two third-
party games, and an extra controller. Dumb (again)!

I guess Nintendo just won my money, baby. Peh,
they probably were going to anyway.

That's all I have to say about that...

Fool
09-10-2001, 02:00 PM
That's one of the many reasons Sony will win the war:D

-Fool

Scourfish
09-10-2001, 02:01 PM
And you know what I really hate? I'll tell you. I hate Kraft Macaroni and Cheese! In fact, I hate all macaroni and cheese! It is one of the utterly most disgusting things on the planet.

http://macaroni.and.cheese.really.****ingsucks.net/

rick barclay
09-10-2001, 02:04 PM
Every year on my birthday, my wife makes me my favorite
dinner: meatloaf, lima beans, and ...MACARONI & CHEESE.

mmmm mmmmm gooooood!

rick barclay

Cheeze-It
09-10-2001, 02:06 PM
When I was young, I liked to eat that powdered-
cheese straight out of the packet.

Mmmm, powdered-cheese.

Cheeze-It
09-10-2001, 02:10 PM
That's one of the many reasons Sony will win the war

Even though Sega should...

Fool
09-10-2001, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by static
Even though Sega should...

How in the hell do you figure that?:D

-Fool

Cheeze-It
09-10-2001, 02:27 PM
How in the hell do you figure that?


Easy. The Dreamcast was/is a better system than
the Playstation 2. It's sad that it's almost dead.

Fool
09-10-2001, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by static
Easy. The Dreamcast was/is a better system than
the Playstation 2. It's sad that it's almost
dead.

LOL!:D

Yet again, how do you figure? You can't give me opinions. I need to see some reasons.

-Fool

Govtcheez
09-10-2001, 02:46 PM
Because buying into the evil Sony empire is no different than buying into MS

Aran
09-10-2001, 02:55 PM
i'm convinced that sony and M$ are planning on controlling every market for every item in the united states of america. Microshaft gets computer related fields, and sony gets everything else.. i can't wait to see sony brand potato chips.

greenRoom
09-10-2001, 02:57 PM
I was at this years' E3 and wasn't impressed at all by XBox (no good games, and i hated that stupid overweight controller). It was Gamecube that really got my attention, there line-up of games was just amazing (luigi's mansion, pikmin, some star wars fighter<this one looked AUSOME>, a new wave race, a new smash bros.). But who knows, i have'nt really checked out what titles will be coming out for XBox. As for ps2, i love its sleek look; and Gran Turismo 3? ohh baby... That game kicks some major ........... Yeah, i thought that dreamcast was cool too. at least sega will be making games for everyone else (sony, nintendo, microsoft).

Aran
09-10-2001, 03:04 PM
I used to hate GC, but now i don't think that it's that bad...

too bad nintendo is more in the market of the 2year old instead of the 12 year old... too bad.

Cheeze-It
09-10-2001, 03:32 PM
Yet again, how do you figure? You can't give me opinions. I need to see some reasons.


The games are better. Dreamcast: Soul Calibur,
Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star Online, Sonic
Adventure, Outtrigger, Shenmue, Seaman, Capcom
2D Fighters...

Dreamcast has 4 controller ports. Playstation 2
only has 2 controller ports. Sony wants you to
buy their multi-tap. Lame.

Dreamcast has a built-in 56k modem for free online
gaming. Sony wants you to buy a modem.

Bleamcast! Very cool. Too bad Sony is pressuring
retailers not to sell it. Lame (again).

There's a lot of things that can be done on the
Dreamcast. Check out www.dcemulation.com. I
haven't tried any of them, but they sound cool.

Enough reasons?
Please excuse spelling/grammar. I'm tired

Fool
09-10-2001, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by static
The games are better. Dreamcast: Soul Calibur,
Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star Online, Sonic
Adventure, Outtrigger, Shenmue, Seaman, Capcom
2D Fighters...

Nothing like Sony's lineup.

GT3
Madden 2002
THPS3
ICO
FFX
SSX: Tricky
MGS2
Tekken 4, SC2, DOA3
I could go on forever...


Originally posted by static
Dreamcast has 4 controller ports. Playstation 2
only has 2 controller ports. Sony wants you to
buy their multi-tap. Lame.

How often do you play 4 players? Also, out of the sweet DC games you listed above, how many are 4 players?:D


Originally posted by static
Dreamcast has a built-in 56k modem for free online
gaming. Sony wants you to buy a modem.

56k = Crap
Sony will have ethernet and it is well worth $40. Do you have any idea how much a PC cable modem costs? (hint - $200).


Originally posted by static
Bleamcast! Very cool. Too bad Sony is pressuring
retailers not to sell it. Lame (again)

I never understood this thing. Do you use it to play your DC games over your PC?


Originally posted by static
There's a lot of things that can be done on the
Dreamcast. Check out www.dcemulation.com. I
haven't tried any of them, but they sound cool.

I don't buy a console system to do anything but play games.


Originally posted by static
Enough reasons?

Are you kidding me? Of course not.

-Fool

Fool
09-10-2001, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Govtcheez
Because buying into the evil Sony empire is no different than buying into MS

I think it's funny when people think companies are evil when they become succesful:D So let me ask, did you think Sony was evil before the Playstation?

-Fool

Cheeze-It
09-10-2001, 05:00 PM
GT3, Madden 2002, THPS3, ICO, FFX, SSX: Tricky,
MGS2, Tekken 4, SC2, DOA3


Okay, you do realize that out of that list, only
Gran Turismo 3 has been released?

Besides, DOA3 will be an Xbox exclusive
for at least 6 months. I don't even know if it
has been announced for PS2. Soul Calibur 2 will
come to GameCube before PS2. Tekken 4 is nothing
more than a rehash of Tekken Tag, which is
nothing more than a rehash of Tekken 3. Lame.



How often do you play 4 players? Also, out of the sweet DC games you listed above, how many are 4 players?


Exactly! How often do I play 4 players? Not often.
But it's nice to know, that those few times that
I do play 4 players, I don't have to spend $30
to do so. Try again.


56k = Crap
Sony will have ethernet and it is well worth $40. Do you have any idea how much a PC cable modem costs?

Sega had a broadband adapter (it wasn't very
well supported, but that's because not a lot
of people have broadband connections).



I never understood this thing. Do you use it to play your DC games over your PC?


You use it to play Playstation games on your
Dreamcast. They've already emulated GT2, and
are working on MGS, and Tekken 3. Read about
it at www.bleem.com



I don't buy a console system to do anything but play games.


Well, I guess the PS2's DVD feature doesn't appeal
to you then. (It doesn't even work on my TV/VCR)

The things at dcemulation.com are all done by
hobbiests. It's amazing what people can do with
the system. NES/SNES/GENESIS/GAMEBOY emulators...
MP3/MPEG players. They even got Linux to run
on the Dreamcast. http://www.dcemulation.com/soft-linux.htm

Cheeze-It
09-10-2001, 05:13 PM
I think it's funny when people think companies are evil when they become succesful So let me ask, did you think Sony was evil before the Playstation?


They're evil because of the tactics they've use
to sell their Products. They overhyped the PS2
and didn't deliver as many as promised. They
lied about the specs...

They pressure retailers not to sell Bleemcast,
even though when Sony sued Bleem, Bleem won.

Fool
09-10-2001, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by static
Okay, you do realize that out of that list, only
Gran Turismo 3 has been released?

The point is they will be. What great games are coming out for the DC?:D


Originally posted by static
not a lot of people have broadband connections

Then they shouldn't be playing online gaming. Those 56ks kill online gaming.


Originally posted by static
You use it to play Playstation games on your
Dreamcast.

Geez, just buy a PS and stop being cheap.


Originally posted by static
Well, I guess the PS2's DVD feature doesn't appeal
to you then.

I love my DVD player. I'm talking about modding the thing. What's the point of running Linux on a console? Do you feel good or something because you "rebel" from the big bad corporation?:D


Originally posted by static
(It doesn't even work on my TV/VCR)

And whos fault is that?

-Fool

Witch_King
09-10-2001, 05:39 PM
Console game systems are the best, but they are also very expensive. I don't know if I'll buy X-BoX or not. I'm moving to a new house this month, going to have a lot of room for a big screen TV but College is stiill in the way. I might have to wait until next year. I had a lot of fun with N64 though. I remember the days.

Cheeze-It
09-10-2001, 07:51 PM
The point is they will be. What great games are coming out for the DC?


Shenmue 2.



Then they shouldn't be playing online gaming. Those 56ks kill online gaming.


You obviously haven't tried it. Online play
over dreamcast is fine. Especially for Phantasy
Star Online. You should try something before
you comment on it. Besides, since most people
already have dial-up connections, there'll be
more people online to play against. Good luck
trying to find people that have a broadband
connection, a PS2, and the PS2 broadband adapter.

Dreamcast came with a 56 modem. There was nothing
to subscribe to, nothing to buy. Just input your
ISP information and you're ready to play online.



Geez, just buy a PS and stop being cheap.


Sony's cheap. They made the PSX easily
over-heatable. I've bought 3 Playstations since
1995. The first two were early models that didn't
run on Zenith or some Magnavox television sets
(good planning ahead Sony), and the third one
is one of the newer models that has the over-
heating protection-plate inside.

Sega included a fan inside the Dreamcast.

Besides, Bleem doesn't just allow you to play
the games. It enhances them. It plays the game
at a higher resolution with full-screen-anti-
aliasing. There's no reason why Sony couldn't
have added a similar graphic-enhancing feature
to the PS2 (The smooth textures option doesn't
do much). Go to bleem.com and check the tekken 3
screenshots (use IE. For some reason the screen-
shot window doesn't appear with Netscape).



What's the point of running Linux on a console?

Linux was an example. It has nothing to do with
a 'big bad corporation.' The point is, average
programmers have been able to do a lot of things
with the Dreamcast. I doubt you'll ever see
hobbiests creating cool things for the PS2.



And whos fault is that?

Sony's, obviously.

Fool
09-10-2001, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by static
Shenmue 2.

Damn, I hope you have time to play all those sweet games:D


Originally posted by static
You obviously haven't tried it. Online play
over dreamcast is fine. Especially for Phantasy
Star Online. You should try something before
you comment on it. Besides, since most people
already have dial-up connections, there'll be
more people online to play against. Good luck
trying to find people that have a broadband
connection, a PS2, and the PS2 broadband adapter.

Dreamcast came with a 56 modem. There was nothing
to subscribe to, nothing to buy. Just input your
ISP information and you're ready to play online.

Actually I did play NFL2K1 over the SegaNet and it sucked. Lagged like hell. Yeah you got a 56k modem but it always connected at 28.8 for me. And yes, you did have to buy SegaNet if you had AOL or a few other ISPs.

I don't plan on playing the PS2 over the net. If I wanted to play games over the net I'd use my badass PC.


Originally posted by static
Sony's cheap.

Which company is still in the console business? (Hint - The one that's making money.)


Originally posted by static
Linux was an example. It has nothing to do with
a 'big bad corporation.' The point is, average
programmers have been able to do a lot of things
with the Dreamcast. I doubt you'll ever see
hobbiests creating cool things for the PS2.

They already have Linux for the PS2. Although I don't see a point to it all. Does it matter? I didn't buy a PS2 to "mod" it. I did for the games and for a nice DVD player.


Originally posted by static
Sony's, obviously.

It seems to be yours. Talking about Sony being cheap and all. Since you seem to have so much cash go buy a newer TV and stop your *****ing.

-Fool

Cheeze-It
09-10-2001, 09:27 PM
Do you ever make sense?



And yes, you did have to buy SegaNet if you had AOL or a few other ISPs.


You don't need SegaNet. SegaNet is just a
regular ISP. It doesn't even exist anymore. They
moved it to Earthlink or something. Nobody ever
needed Seganet...



Which company is still in the console business?

What the hell does that have to do with them
being cheap? Ack! You don't make sense...



Talking about Sony being cheap and all. Since you seem to have so much cash go buy a newer TV and stop your *****ing.


Who said I have a lot of cash? My TV works fine
with every console I own. It just doesn't work
with the DVD feature of the PS2. I can play
my PS2 games with no problem... Just can't watch
DVD movies (no biggie. I wouldn't use the PS2
to watch movies anyway).

Face it, the Dreamcast was the better system. I've
provided you with reasons why it is, and you have
yet to provide reasons why the Playstation 2 is
better. You've listed non-exclusive, non-released
games. That doesn't show much.

If the world wasn't full of hype-following morons,
maybe people would've taken the time to actually
study the consoles and then choose. Playstation2
is living off of the success of the first machine.
If Sony would've named it anything else, they
wouldn't have sold as many. People were idiots
for choosing the Playstation 2 over the Dreamcast.

Peh, a lot of developers don't even like the PS2.
Hideo Kojima, Lorne Lanning, and John Carmack have
all made anti-Playstation 2 comments. Deal with
it, the Dreamcast was better.

Fool
09-11-2001, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by static
You don't need SegaNet. SegaNet is just a
regular ISP. It doesn't even exist anymore. They
moved it to Earthlink or something. Nobody ever
needed Seganet...

You did when I tried to play it (when it was first availible). I just used my free 50 hours (which never started counting down:D) but if you wanted to play afterwards you couldn't use AOL. I remember my slow AOL days, hehe:D


Originally posted by static
Face it, the Dreamcast was the better system. I've
provided you with reasons why it is, and you have
yet to provide reasons why the Playstation 2 is
better.

If it was better then why is Sega out of the business? You have given me no solid reasons why Sega was better. Here, I'll give you the only reason you need...

In the console business, games make a system. Sony has better games so they would have to be better. That's about as simple as I can make it for you junior.


Originally posted by static
Peh, a lot of developers don't even like the PS2.
Hideo Kojima, Lorne Lanning, and John Carmack have
all made anti-Playstation 2 comments.

True, but they will continue to develop for it. You wanna know why? Because they make more money doing so.

So the PS2 is hard to program for. It's still around isn't it?:D

-Fool

Cheeze-It
09-11-2001, 11:05 AM
Whatever. You don't know what your talking about.
I've given you plenty of reasons why the Dreamcast
was better. You've provided none on why the PS2
is better. Deal with it, child.

Sony doest not have better games!!!

Dreamcast:
Skies of Arcadia *
Phantasy Star Online *
Crazy Taxi **
Crazy Taxi 2 *
Sonic Adventure *
Sonic Adventure 2 *
Shenmue *
NFL2K1 *
Quake 3 Arena
Unreal Tournament
Virtua Tennis *
Grandia II
Seaman *
Power Stone 2 *
Jet Grind Radio *
Soul Calibur *
Dead or Alive 2
Ecco the Dolphin *
MDK2
Rayman 2
Baingain-O *
Test Drive Le Mans
MSR *
Daytona Online *
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter IIIrd Strike
Marvel Vs. Capcom
Marvel Vs. Capcom 2
Resident Evil Code: Veronica
Project Justice
Worms World Party
Gundam Side Story
Tony Hawks Pro Skater 2 **

* = Exclusive to DC
** = Also available on PSX/PS2, but better on DC

Games make the system. Yes, I agree. And Dreamcast
games are much, much better than PS2's. Only an
idiot would disagree with that. It's only now
that PS2 is finally getting some games that
don't suck. Their launch was pathetic. All the
games you listed haven't even been released.



If it was better then why is Sega out of the business?


Them leaving the business had nothing to do with
the quality of the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast has
been praised by both gamers and developers. The
PS2 hasn't been.



You did when I tried to play it (when it was first availible).


You never needed Seganet! You needed a regular ISP
(AOL isn't regular). That's all. Seganet isn't any
different than any other ISP

This argument is over. I win!

Excuse spelling/grammar. I'm tired

Fool
09-11-2001, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by static
The Dreamcast has been praised by both gamers and developers.

I guess that gamers liked the DC so much they bought a PS2 instead, huh?:D


Originally posted by static
The PS2 hasn't been.

So you don't think that selling 12 million systems worldwide should be considered praise?


Originally posted by static
(AOL isn't regular)

Yeah your right. They are only the biggest ISP in the world.

I'm so tired of fanboys like you. I work for a website that deals with console gaming and the DC fanboys are pretty bad (nothing like the XBox ones though:D).

All you've said in this thread is that the DC has better games than the PS2. You said that, you can never prove that, at least not to me. I'm not a fanboy by any means (I can't wait to see and play the GC). I just feel like the DC was a huge letdown and Sega was just trying a "last resort" to get some money back after some very bad years in the market. Now after their latest failure the finally realize they can't compete. How's that for a console company that you swear by? Pretty sad to me if you ask me:D

-Fool

Cheeze-It
09-11-2001, 04:32 PM
I guess that gamers liked the DC so much they bought a PS2 instead, huh?


Hype! Pay attention, Fool.



So you don't think that selling 12 million systems worldwide should be considered praise?


No, I don't. I consider them hype-following dorks,
who care more about what's popular than
what's good.



Yeah your right. They are only the biggest ISP in the world.


Wow. I didn't know that "biggest" and "regular"
were interchangable.



I'm so tired of fanboys like you. I work for a website that deals with console gaming and the DC fanboys are pretty bad (nothing like the XBox ones though).


Yeah, "work" for a gaming website. I have news
for you... Going to geocities.com and registering
for a free website isn't considered a job.

I'm a Fanboy?!? Wrong. I've owned almost every
console ever to be released. If anybody's a fanboy
it's you. You like the PS2, but you can't say why.
You can only name non-existant games. That's
pretty lame.



I'm not a fanboy by any means (I can't wait to see and play the GC).

You obviously are.



I just feel like the DC was a huge letdown and
Sega was just trying a "last resort" to get some
money back after some very bad years in the
market.


Huge letdown? You don't even know what you're
talking about. You obviously don't own one. And
you obviously have never spent enough time with
one to form your own opinion. You're one of Sony's
many puppets.



Now after their latest failure the finally realize they can't compete.


I never said they could compete. They obviously
can't compete against Sony's ability to over-hype
their products. The fact still is, there are
currently more games worth playing on the
Dreamcast, than there are on the PS2.



Pretty sad to me if you ask me


Yeah. You suck.

Fool
09-11-2001, 05:07 PM
Nothing you say makes any sense you stupid mother****er. I won't continue this with someone of your intellegence. Think whatever you want, play your ****ty DC till you realize Sony is king. Personally I don't give a ****.

-Fool

Aran
09-11-2001, 05:16 PM
don't get your panties in a knot.

I find that PS2 gams are largely boring after the first few hours of playing... the facade of graphics is used incorrectly by PS2 games for the most part.

DC games are better, playability wise, but it's dieing, so who the hell knows?

Fordy
09-11-2001, 05:38 PM
Whoa.... Are you really arguing this heatedly over a damn game console?

Cool it guys, its only a toy after all.

Dissata
09-11-2001, 05:48 PM
sega makes tthe best games, sony has a console that is still on the market.
shut up, live with it, and go on!

Fool
09-11-2001, 08:17 PM
This kid just can't reason with anything. Making comments about me personally took it off the console mode for me. Telling me I work for a GeoCities POS (when in his own profile he has one) and telling me I never had a DC. I got one a week after it came out. I get sick of people trying to tell me BS about myself. How the **** can you tell me I'm wrong about something with myself you idiot?

-Fool

Cheeze-It
09-12-2001, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by Fool
This kid just can't reason with anything. Making comments about me personally took it off the console mode for me. Telling me I work for a GeoCities POS (when in his own profile he has one) and telling me I never had a DC. I got one a week after it came out. I get sick of people trying to tell me BS about myself. How the **** can you tell me I'm wrong about something with myself you idiot?

-Fool

Yes, I have a geocities page; and it's probably
the best freaking page on the whole internet. :)

There's nothing wrong with Geocities pages. I
wasn't slamming Geoticies. I was slamming your
poor attempt at trying to make me think you know
what you're talking about because you "work" at
a gaming website...

Who's making comments about whom? You called me
a fanboy, when you're probably the biggest fanboy
on the planet. You think that just because I think
the Dreamcast was one of the greatest consoles
ever to be released, I'm a fanboy. I provided
reasons on why I think it's great. You haven't
provided any on why you think the PS2 is great
(except a list of non-existant games). Once those
games are released, you may have an argument. But
since neither of us have played the complete
version of any of them--you can't say that now..

Besides, you assumed information about me first
when you said I was 'cheap' and didn't own a
Playstation. When the fact is, I've owned 3.
You're a hypocrite. Grow up. Quit calling me "kid."
And stop copying my comments.



True, but they will continue to develop for it. You wanna know why? Because they make more money doing so.


Oh, by the way. Lorne Lanning stopped developing
for the PS2 (moved to Xbox) and John Carmack
develops for PC. Forgot to say that earlier.

Fool
09-12-2001, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by Fool
Nothing you say makes any sense you stupid mother****er. I won't continue this with someone of your intellegence. Think whatever you want, play your ****ty DC till you realize Sony is king. Personally I don't give a ****.

-Fool

Kavity
09-12-2001, 08:50 AM
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