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manav
05-28-2008, 05:39 AM
Should manav be made into a moderator?

Elysia
05-28-2008, 05:42 AM
This only makes you look silly and decrease chances you will become one.
In fact, I forsee this thread will be locked or deleted (and you one step closer to being banned).

abh!shek
05-28-2008, 05:43 AM
Where's that option that says "He should be banned"?

manav
05-28-2008, 05:46 AM
Come on!! You both.
I am on good terms with mods these days.

Besides, there are some threads where my posts were deleted, but the comments on my posts, and quoted posts are not deleted. I will help in that.

twomers
05-28-2008, 05:47 AM
I'm confused about the poll... why's there a 'yes' option?

manav
05-28-2008, 05:59 AM
Well, I wish this does not get locked/deleted.
I just wanna see how unpopular I am.

SlyMaelstrom
05-28-2008, 06:03 AM
Well, I wish this does not get locked/deleted.
I just wanna see how unpopular I am.Spamming a forum is not popular.

swgh
05-28-2008, 06:05 AM
Do you have more than one account? I swear I have seen you with a sig that says "Banned 1000 times"

manav
05-28-2008, 06:08 AM
Do you have more than one account? I swear I have seen you with a sig that says "Banned 1000 times"
I keep updating my signatures.

To all,
It does not matter if I get all votes for No.
I just wish this thread is not locked/deleted.

Spamming? Nah. I never spam.
I can show you an example of spamming, if, you really ask.

Elysia
05-28-2008, 06:10 AM
I just wish this thread is not locked/deleted.
Oh will be, alright.


Spamming? Nah. I never spam.
I can show you an example of spamming, if, you really ask.
Oh really? Funny. I just thought I saw you spamming...
Oh, that's right. This thread is spam.

psychopath
05-28-2008, 06:13 AM
Such a shame. We'd been tool-free for such a long time :(.

abh!shek
05-28-2008, 06:20 AM
Oh, that's right. This thread is spam.

I think he's just trying to have fun.

indigo0086
05-28-2008, 06:26 AM
On some forums if a person asks to be a moderator they are disqualified from being one.

Just sayin'.

zacs7
05-28-2008, 06:48 AM
Perhaps they'll have to make him admin then? :)

mike_g
05-28-2008, 06:52 AM
Whats wrong with asking? Dosent mean its going to happen, but generally, if you dont ask you dont get and at least you get an answer. IMO its better than waiting around your whole life waiting in silence hoping for something you want that aint going to happen cos no-one knows.

Elysia
05-28-2008, 06:59 AM
Manav was asking because he was tempted by the moderation capabilities, not because he wants to help out as a moderator (I believe that was secondary).
Plus I think all have seen manav's behavior, and it is hardly appropriate for a moderator.

DavidP
05-28-2008, 07:28 AM
IMO its better than waiting around your whole life waiting in silence hoping for something you want that aint going to happen cos no-one knows.


True, but if it is one of your life goals to become an internet forum moderator, then that is pretty sad. I've been around these forums for 8 years now and never asked.



Manav was asking because he was tempted by the moderation capabilities, not because he wants to help out as a moderator (I believe that was secondary).
Plus I think all have seen manav's behavior, and it is hardly appropriate for a moderator.


Agreed.

mike_g
05-28-2008, 07:32 AM
Yeah personally I don't want to be a moderator, but if I did I'd ask. I just wouldent do it publicly.

manav
05-28-2008, 07:33 AM
Well. I do not mind so many Nos.
I tried. At least.

Getting powers is not my motto.

My behavior is not good for a mod?
Oh come on! What is the fear on your mind?

Elysia
05-28-2008, 07:39 AM
It may not be a bad thing to become a moderator since you'd be willing to help out the forum in some ways. But the way you've done and how you act and behave is not appropriate for a moderator.
You didn't even specify WHY you want to become a moderator and WHY they should consider you.

zacs7
05-28-2008, 07:41 AM
> Oh come on! What is the fear on your mind?
You hate me for one :(

Vote -1 manav :D

BTW, I'm not sure being a mod is fun and games. How many times have you seen a mod close a thready happily?



oh yay!
You're so naughty, thread closed.

Doesn't happen ;)

abh!shek
05-28-2008, 07:56 AM
Oh come on! What is the fear on your mind?

For some reason I fear you will abuse all these functions



- If I post and just after seeing it I delete it, will mods be able to see it later?
- Similarly, if I post something and edit it, will mods see the original post?
- If I change my online status to be hidden, can mods still see me?
- Do mods know my email, even if I chose not to display it to any body?

PING
05-28-2008, 08:24 AM
I don't see any harm in someone asking for moderator powers, provided, the person really wants to help out and not abuse his powers. As for manav, he has been on cboard for hardly 6 months. I definitely wouldn't want someone like him to be a mod :)

Off Topic : I didn't know about the albums feature on the forum. When was it added ?

indigo0086
05-28-2008, 08:27 AM
Generally people that ask to be moderators aren't fit to be one. Most moderators I've seen on forums were presented the option of becoming one by other moderators because they acted like they could handle the task.

matsp
05-28-2008, 08:32 AM
Generally people that ask to be moderators aren't fit to be one. Most moderators I've seen on forums were presented the option of becoming one by other moderators because they acted like they could handle the task.

Or at least, you have some sort of close connection with the other moderators and/or site admin/owner and you ask privately. That is what I did on another forum - and only because I noticed a lot of spam turned up when I was online, and no other moderators were around [due to timezone spread etc]. But I had already met the site-owner (and admin) in person at that time. And I sent an e-mail to site-owner suggesting it. Not because I wanted to become a moderator as such, but rather because I thought it made sense to have someone who covered "my shift hours".

Asking privately avoids, at least, the rejection in public.

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Mats

whiteflags
05-28-2008, 09:55 AM
I don't get the fascination anymore, to be honest. You get to see a few hidden things and inherit a lot of responsibility which, to me, means a completely different feel. I'd be more proud if I read the mods board one day and found out they didn't talk about me badly.

Mario F.
05-28-2008, 10:20 AM
I don't get the fascination anymore, to be honest.

Aye.
Speaking of myself, the last thing I would want was to become a moderator. There's a civility to it that doesn't fit with my general conduct. I'm biased and act according to my bias regardless; I tend to make sure those I don't like are aware of it; I'm quick tempered; I like to jump on bandwagons; I love a good or bad fight equally... The list is perhaps too long, so in short I'm not that type of material and I certainly wish not to be.

As for manav... This thread is too stupid. Guess I proved my point.

GanglyLamb
05-28-2008, 10:58 AM
I voted no :).

Being a moderator is extremely difficult (I'm a moderator on our college board, have been for the past 4 years). And too be honest I'll be glad that this schoolyear is almost over (so I can give up the moderatorship)... It seems you can never satisfy everyone, either decision you make; it'll make some unhappy ... and on the other hand you start feeling like police in the long run (although this depends on how many manavs you have on your board :D).

abachler
05-28-2008, 11:56 AM
Perhaps they'll have to make him admin then? :)

No, Super Admin, then I can get that date with Joey Gunn because Hell would have frozen over. Sad to think my sex life depends on manav making admin :D

Prelude
05-28-2008, 01:02 PM
>Should manav be made into a moderator?
In all seriousness, you don't strike me as good moderator material. You seem too hotheaded to be properly objective, and I can easily see (possibly unintentional) abuses of power that make the rest of our jobs harder.

>On some forums if a person asks to be a moderator they are disqualified from being one.
Asking is the best way to let people know that you're interested. However, after working as a moderator on multiple forums, I can now honestly say that anyone who asks is stupid. Being a moderator is a pain in the ass, and one should only take the job if they genuinely love the forum and want to be a part of making it better. Doing it for a power trip never turns out well, and in my experience, that's why most people want to be mods.

manav
05-28-2008, 10:49 PM
Umm. Thank you all, that you love me so much, and, want me to stay out of herculian and burdensome task of being a moderator.

abachler
05-29-2008, 11:00 PM
Doing it for a power trip never turns out well, and in my experience, that's why most people want to be mods.

That's why I will never ask to be one, I'd be too tempted to ban one or both of my two favorite people ;) Seriously though, I've been a mod before, it's a mostly thankless job, so unless you have to do it, stear clear.

DavidP
05-30-2008, 07:32 AM
Isn't that the nature of all men in the history of the world? I find it interesting that something that has been repeated time and time again in this world's history is now being discussed on a message board in the context of people wanting to be mods.

People who desire to be the heads of governments usually also do so because they want power. There are some who don't. There are some who are good leaders of the people. But in most of the world's history the people at the head of the governments have been people searching for power.

"We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion."

indigo0086
05-30-2008, 08:28 AM
quite the analysis. I think the scope of your examples are much different than that of a message board, and the responsibilities have much more serious repercussionss if mishandled.

laserlight
05-30-2008, 08:29 AM
I think the scope of your examples are much different than that of a message board, and the responsibilities have much more serious repercussionss if mishandled.
manav, would you like to be Myanmar's next Senior General?

indigo0086
05-30-2008, 08:39 AM
I have a feeling he'll be writing a tell-all memoir about Myanmar's "Special Dungeon" before he's even retired.

Yarin
06-03-2008, 06:17 AM
manav... did you like... hit your head during birth or something?

manav
06-03-2008, 06:31 AM
- 30 day inactivity, and the thread should be locked
- remove casual discussions out of some serious topics
- threads in general discussion will be deleted after, say, they get 6 months old
- posts in general discussions will not add to the total posts count
- users inactive for more than 6 months will be deleted
- remove all animated avatars (my favorite)
- signatures should not be longer than 100 characters.
- no pics allowed for signatures

Elysia
06-03-2008, 06:33 AM
Those are your new rules, "moderator" manav?

manav
06-03-2008, 06:44 AM
Not rules, but that's what I would do myself, if this was a forum created by me. Take them as suggestions/checklist/tips/guidelines.

I will add more to the list.

indigo0086
06-03-2008, 06:46 AM
A mod should just post no and lock it.

manav
06-03-2008, 06:48 AM
I would have done that long back, if I was a mod ;)

Would have deleted the whole thread, in it's infancy :D

Elysia
06-03-2008, 06:52 AM
Not rules, but that's what I would do myself, if this was a forum created by me. Take them as suggestions/checklist/tips/guidelines.

I will add more to the list.
That would go to show how little you know about being a moderator.


- 30 day inactivity, and the thread should be locked
Bumping a thread is generally seen as a bad thing, but there are legitimate reasons to bump a topic too. Busted rule.


- remove casual discussions out of some serious topics
That is a very vague topic. Perhaps you care to elaborate?


- threads in general discussion will be deleted after, say, they get 6 months old
The stupidest suggestion I've heard ever. There's a reason topics aren't deleted. Because people can search, find and digest the information inside.


- posts in general discussions will not add to the total posts count
A post count shows how many posts you've done. If it doesn't count some posts from a forum, it wouldn't be accurate, would it?
Disabling post counts is an extreme thing that should be done carefully, especially in "special" forums such as places where trash gets moved.


- users inactive for more than 6 months will be deleted
And what is the point of this? People register so they can use the board's features, which may otherwise be unavailable. Plus many do read, but not reply, so this would be another grave mistake.


- remove all animated avatars (my favorite)
And so you are being unfair to everyone. There's nothing wrong with animated avatars and they can be quite nice. As a moderator, you can instead warn people if they use inappropriate animated avatars.


- signatures should not be longer than 100 characters.
And limit the amount of useful information they can put in their signatures? That's extreme. Put a reasonable amount and warn users if their signature is too long.


- no pics allowed for signatures
Another unfair and poor suggestion. Signature pictures can lively up a forum, especially when they look nice. You are doing more harm than good, I would say.
Limit it to 1 picture and put a height/width restriction, but don't remove it altogether.

Prelude
06-03-2008, 06:55 AM
>- 30 day inactivity, and the thread should be locked
I've been on forums where this was implemented. It was terribly annoying.

>- remove casual discussions out of some serious topics
Define "remove". Do you mean delete or move into a casual thread? Either way it breaks the flow of conversation and potentially removes valuable information.

>- threads in general discussion will be deleted after, say, they get 6 months old
Just because you don't go back and read old threads doesn't mean other people don't.

>- posts in general discussions will not add to the total posts count
One can post useless garbage in other forums as well. I don't really see this rule/guideline buying you anything.

>- users inactive for more than 6 months will be deleted
That's a fantastic way to lose your members. I've been known to take breaks, and if I came back to find my account deleted, I would be none too happy.

>- remove all animated avatars (my favorite)
Animated avatars within reason are fine, IMO.

>- signatures should not be longer than 100 characters.
I'd rather have a rule that specifies guidelines for creating a signature. That way you don't limit good people and still have justification for dealing with people who abuse the feature.

>- no pics allowed for signatures
See above.

manav
06-03-2008, 07:18 AM
Well... I asked one of the mods to delete this thread, they do not wish to do that, anyways, my replies:

- I have seen them locking a thread which was bumped after 30 days or so, why not lock beforehand?
- I will point out as they come from time to time.
- Since I think GD is for general discussion only, so no useful info therein. I never found any useful stuff.
- We can set a ranking system, plus, already there is a minimum posts threshold to use some features. In that case useless GD posts would not add up.
- See this: Threads: 98,211, Posts: 732,871, Members: 31,621, Active Members: 916
- Be equal for all, plus, this is not a comic book forum or movies forum.
- People advertise their own systems in their sig, mods do not notice.
- Sig is part of every post (usually), and pics will divert the attention, again we are not on a love board.

indigo0086
06-03-2008, 07:39 AM
Roughly 3 pages of why you wouldn't make a good mod and you're still kicking. At least he has the resolve of a mod.

PING
06-03-2008, 07:58 AM
We can set a ranking system, plus, already there is a minimum posts threshold to use some features. In that case useless GD posts would not add up.

Cboard used to have a rating system long time ago. Personally I don't support the rating system, its pretty useless.

Prelude
06-03-2008, 08:04 AM
>- I have seen them locking a thread which was bumped after 30 days or so, why not lock beforehand?
There's a difference between continuing the conversation and pointlessly bumping a thread. You're suggesting that all posts after a certain amount of time should be considered pointless bumps. In theory the idea is good, but I've experienced it in practice, and it sucked ass.

>- Since I think GD is for general discussion only, so no useful info therein. I never found any useful stuff.
Not everyone is the same.

>- See this: Threads: 98,211, Posts: 732,871, Members: 31,621, Active Members: 916
I think you missed the point. Shall we delete your account and see how much you like it?

>- People advertise their own systems in their sig, mods do not notice.
As long as they don't post solely to spam their signature, it's not really a problem.

>- Sig is part of every post (usually), and pics will divert the attention, again we are not on a love board.
By that logic we may as well remove the GD forum and ban anyone who mentions a non-programming topic.

matsp
06-03-2008, 08:12 AM
Rating based on the number of posts (whether they are in some particular forum or not) is pretty meaningless. People can see the number of posts and determine for themselves whether it's a viable answer or not, without having * or ***** next to the name [not that an answer from a 1 post user is necessarily less valid than one from user with 10000 posts].

If users are doing stupid things like posting drivel just to get the post count up, then they will most likely do that anywhere that those posts count, so if you don't count posts in one forum where drivel is slightly less "bad", they will just post it in the more "bad" places - particularly if the post limit is to prevent someone from achieving something, e.g. PM's. And of coruse, post count goes back down again if the post is deleted, so if it's purely posting SIMPLY to increase post count, the moderators can remove those posts, and there was nothing gained.

Keeping things on topic in any form of board takes some discipline from the participants. This board can get a bit sidetracked at times with one or another user trying convince everyone that his/her idea is better than some other persons idea. But that's part of the fun in a forum too - and if it gets too out of hand, the moderators are there to delete un-suitable posts, or lock the thread, etc, etc.

Most forums do have a great number of inactive members. Some of those are those that do not participate much in the discussion, some of those came for one question, got the answer and left. But to delete the user (and thus all posts from that user - because otherwise you have posts with no user related to them) after some time doesn't make any sense.


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Mats

manav
06-03-2008, 08:14 AM
>- See this: Threads: 98,211, Posts: 732,871, Members: 31,621, Active Members: 916
I think you missed the point. Shall we delete your account and see how much you like it?
I think you missed the point, only about 3% are active other are gone long back. They may not remember their login - passwords. Try sending emails to all the inactive users. So they can respond and tell that they exist.

Plus, I am not inactive at all, I visit daily, I do not know how the board decides inactivity, but I think if a user does not even login for long time. Then it is marked as inactive.