> They also sold out to China and their oppression of its citizens.
touché!
> They also sold out to China and their oppression of its citizens.
touché!
Originally Posted by brewbuck:
Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.
If it werent for Google, 100% ads would be popups or blinking stuff.
And dealing with ads is a damn good thing, because it eats up money from companies trying to advertise their stuff and then makes free stuff for people (Google search, Gmail, Google Earth, Google Sketchup, Google Maps).
Google is the only huge company I don't have any complaints against.
"The Internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore
Never said anything about a 360, never had one so i wouldn't know. But the original XBOX isn't fragile or unstable or anything, don't know why you find it to be poorly engineered? And yes, it's a computer in a small box, how is that different from ANY other console :S?
Edit:
Agree with Maxorator, everything that ever came out of Google was a stroke of genius, basically... Anyone here ever tried Google Analytics? Also, who doesn't like GMail or Google Earth?
Last edited by Neo1; 02-01-2008 at 06:39 AM.
How I need a drink, alcoholic in nature, after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics.
Good for you, but I think your conception of what the Internet was before Google is very skewed.Google is the only huge company I don't have any complaints against.
Why is that a good thing? Why should the internet be a billboard? Why should a company own indexing technology? Why is "fast better than slow" if a slightly slower engine returns better results? What's the sense in PageRank and aren't you concerned that this let's a private corporation control what you see? People already try to figure out how to index Google higher.And dealing with ads is a damn good thing, because it eats up money from companies trying to advertise their stuff and then makes free stuff for people (Google search, Gmail, Google Earth, Google Sketchup, Google Maps).
It should be noted that other companies tried to win the race to make the internet searchable, and when Microsoft tried to do it, people screamed bloody murder. But Google is so harmless.
Oh? If it weren't for Google, we wouldn't have text ads interrupting the flow of content on a page. If it weren't for Google, selling ads would be harder. In my opinion, the availability to advertise and market crap on the internet now is due to Google in part. I wouldn't be surprised if Google considered its own ads good pages. If Google wasn't for-profit, they might be more concerned about their core concept than making more billions of dollars.If it werent for Google, 100% ads would be popups or blinking stuff.
Last edited by whiteflags; 02-01-2008 at 07:00 AM.
No, no, no. A console is not a computer.
The architecture is way different. But xbox on the other hand... Microsoft just put a miniature computer into a box with and sold it. That's xbox. They fixed that with the 360, but they screwed up and rushed the thing to market so it's hardware is greatly unstable. Engineering crap.
For example, the GPU produces lots of heat. And they put a very small fan on it and the DVD drive over. Is that smart? I think not. Have you even heard a 360 when it's running? It's like a vacuum cleaner. Microsoft didn't even think of engineering good hardware. And now they're just trying to get around it by popping in huge fans.
I believe Google is the only big company I don't really hate but not really love. I don't really care what Google does. But Microsoft and Sony on the other hand is on the hate list. On whose list aren't they?
Hating companies, big or small, is really an exercise in futility. They still love you the same.
Originally Posted by brewbuck:
Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.
Which is much better than hating Microsoft - I fight back. What's more invigorating that that?
... on the other hand one should always hate governments. and the powlice.
Originally Posted by brewbuck:
Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.
I have had problems with a lot of companies, mainly stemming from outsourced user support, but you probably have to complain to said outsourced user support so that would be useless.
ATI I've had problems with their drivers until recently, they seem to be getting on top of that. But addressing that was a pain, because no one responds to you.
as with Microsoft I've had my 360 sent in thrice (only two times for RROD, the third time was a minor annoyance with the drive not popping out immediately, but having it horiz solves that). I generally support them moreso than the other game companies because they put out games I like, so I buy. But their customer service sucks, do everything online, re-route some of those funds to building a reliable machine (at the time I bought it).
Sony, despite their hardware, whatever their software developers touch turns to some sort of goo and hatred.
Nintendo, for the hardware shortage and overall lack of support to developers besides their own that CAN make games. Also their lack of quality assurance for 3rd party. For every 1 good 3rd party wii game, there are 20 horrid ones that were probably byproducts of an experiment on how alcohol affects a developers ability to make a good game.
Last edited by indigo0086; 02-01-2008 at 10:11 AM.
I really agree on that. I believe they're just making excuses with the typical "it's not easy to increase production." They also announced they won't increase production until after April. I mean, what the heck??? What's more important--your forecasts or making to satisfy demand?
I can understand that they underestimated the demand, but they've been selling the machine for a year, yet only doubled production and it's not enough! What are they thinking?
But hopefully, that is about to change now. Or is changing....and overall lack of support to developers besides their own that CAN make games.
But why is that a problem? To the user, it's all the same, as long as the console can handle the games properly, and won't cost a fortune. And besides, the Xbox was greatly superior to the PS2 as far as hardware goes, it also cost about the same and the general build quality is way above the PS2..
No i haven't heard an Xbox 360 running, only the display models in stores, never paid much attention to the noise it makes. The only reason i'd buy a 360 would be because of the games that are available for it, i have to agree with you, from the things i've heard, the 360 isn't nearly as good as it's predecessor...They fixed that with the 360, but they screwed up and rushed the thing to market so it's hardware is greatly unstable. Engineering crap.
For example, the GPU produces lots of heat. And they put a very small fan on it and the DVD drive over. Is that smart? I think not. Have you even heard a 360 when it's running? It's like a vacuum cleaner. Microsoft didn't even think of engineering good hardware. And now they're just trying to get around it by popping in huge fans.
How I need a drink, alcoholic in nature, after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics.
That tells loads to me. It's an inefficient piece of crap. The Xbox gave less horsepower than it could have, had it been designed properly.
Indeed, but it also makes you afraid of purchasing one. And it also makes you loathe Microsoft for not being able to make proper hardware. Or not trust them.No i haven't heard an Xbox 360 running, only the display models in stores, never paid much attention to the noise it makes. The only reason i'd buy a 360 would be because of the games that are available for it, i have to agree with you, from the things i've heard, the 360 isn't nearly as good as it's predecessor...
Who cares? It was still considerably faster than the other consoles in it's generation, and for the same price, not poor quality either. PC in a box or not...
Regardless of the 360, which i don't have any 1st hand experience with, i still think the Xbox was and is a terrific piece of kit, you obviously don't agree, why?Indeed, but it also makes you afraid of purchasing one. And it also makes you loathe Microsoft for not being able to make proper hardware. Or not trust them.
How I need a drink, alcoholic in nature, after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics.
It was only at the same price level because it came after all the other consoles. And hey, once they introduced it, Sony and Nintendo began cutting prices. Microsoft were left in the dark and the Xbox would not have survived if it wasn't Microsoft who designed it with their deep pockets.
Well, as I stated, it's a computer in a box.Regardless of the 360, which i don't have any 1st hand experience with, i still think the Xbox was and is a terrific piece of kit, you obviously don't agree, why?
I don't like it. Efficiency and power comes before "it's working."
Computers draws lots of power and are inefficient. That's why I dislike the whole computer in a box ordeal.
> Computers draws lots of power and are inefficient. That's why I dislike the whole computer in a box ordeal.
That's weird because no console can match the a personal computer in processor speed, graphics quality, sound suport... or anything for that matter.
> I don't like it. Efficiency and power comes before "it's working."
I think the "I don't like it" is the real only valid argument you have. How exactly you feel XBox isn't a powerful console... actually what means powerful in this context? And do you mean that being less powerful (whatever that means) than something else means it's not powerful anymore?
Originally Posted by brewbuck:
Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.