Thread: Guantanamo

So?

i reckon they got it made. their own spot in the sun...no fighting over sun beds or annoying little kids screaming their heads of. i suppose they could be doing with a pool and a free bar but you can't have everything y'know.

Still waiting for details (French are going there).

But I disagree with the US (a suprise).

We are either having a war on terrorism, in which case they are POW's and the US is volating international law by refusing them conditions in accordance with the Geneva convention.

OR (if not a war)

The US has attacked Afganistan illegally, in a similar way Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. There has been no proof submitted in an international court what so ever. So attacking Bin Laudin / Afganistan is illegal. If Israel tried to hunt down and kill Arafat by bombing Palesten(?) what would the world say / do?

And, after all, they're only suspects (not that one should put the worst criminals in such inhuman state).

Interesting point you got there novacain (that analogy about Pearl Harbour)...

The bastards deserve everything they get.

Let's see -
their previous lives:
1)living in caves
2)getting the crap bombed out of them
3)probably half-starving

now:
1)living in cages
2)no bombs
3)Froot Loops

Which one's better? I'm not gonna spill any tears, that's for sure. You fight against a military, you sure as hell better be ready to lose.

Also - Auschwitz? Please. We're holding them - no one's dying or anything.

(note:what's a "Yeah!" response mean? There's no question...)

The main point is

Are we having a war on terrorism?

If so why does the US not abide by international law? Innocent until proven guilty and all that. If you do not then you are no better than the terrorists, you have sunk to their level.

Being good is MUCH harder than being evil. Has the US the moral fiber to do so?

Only time will tell.

>>If so why does the US not abide by international law?

Umm... Do they usually? Does anybody? Laws get broken by whoever figures they can get away with it. Anyone betting the US wont get away with it? ... Didnt think so.

Originally posted by Govtcheez
Let's see -
their previous lives:
1)living in caves
2)getting the crap bombed out of them
3)probably half-starving

now:
1)living in cages
2)no bombs
3)Froot Loops

Which one's better? I'm not gonna spill any tears, that's for sure. You fight against a military, you sure as hell better be ready to lose.

Amen Govtcheez! What kind of an idiot person fights a war with a huge world power with a huge military, and expects not to die, or be captured? They knew what they were getting in to when they started this, and therefore, they have gotten what they have deserved.

Also, the U.S. has release proof (not publicly) to the U.N., and they seem to find it convincing enough to allow this to go on...Anyways, even if he wasn't responsible for the September 11th attacks on America, Bin Laden was responsible for numerous other attacks on embasies...

>>(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

And sending CIA 'advisors' to train Pakistani army officers to assasinate Bin Laudin was? (abandoned because of coup in Pakistan) Remember he has not been convicted / charged with any crime.

Secretly selling arms to forces that oppose democratic governments and to opposing countries is? (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, ect, ect)

Trading prisoners for arms is? (Iran contra)


The US wants to be the good guy, so act like one. Or we soon we will all believe you to be no better than them.
As far as I can see the US only pays lip service to these rules unless someone else violates them and them the US uses the rules to get what it wants. ie US Export Tax subsidies now (4 years later) declared illegal (bit late for those third world famers).

> What kind of an idiot person fights a war with a huge world power with a huge military, and expects not to die, or be captured? They knew what they were getting in to when they started this, and therefore, they have gotten what they have deserved.

Look further to the past and you'll hopefully see that USA hasn't got all that clean history. If we drift away from the topic; Bin Laden considers that letting American soldiers touch the holy land of Saudi-Arabia (where Islam was born), is insult enough to justify those terrorist attacks. Now you must say that it isn't but then again there's no universal moral saying that it isn't.

And say that America protects democracy & freedom while it's bombing Afganistan, it's the strategical position in the middle of five countries armed with nuclear weapons and oil pipe that they want to pull through the land (doesn't it sound prophetical that while they were negotiating with Talebans (couple months ago before WTC) and failed to come with a result, a negotiator of USA said that either they do as we want or else we'll use other ways to get it).

> Also, the U.S. has release proof (not publicly) to the U.N., and they seem to find it convincing enough to allow this to go on...Anyways, even if he wasn't responsible for the September 11th attacks on America, Bin Laden was responsible for numerous other attacks on embasies...

Yet, I haven't seen a single evidence on that. I even wouldn't be that surprised if they'd found out that Bin Laden is non-existent scape-goat made up as an excuse to roam across the world and getting what USA wants... But, lets say that he exists (as he most likely does), what could that evidence possibly be while it is so secret that it could harm somebody if I would see it?


But, for the topic. Don't you pay any attention to the fact that they are just suspects. Imagine the work and the amount of time that digging up 500 persons background would take.

And where's the humanity: discussions about some agreements, etc... what a boredom and ignoracy! No matter what has some person done, one shouldn't in no circumstances be in a condition they are in Guantanamo! (It's a matter of minutes when an average person starts to panic after he has been totally isolated from the outside world (can't see, hear or move - not all are true in Guantanamo though)).

I still fail to see how it's a violation of their human rights if their standard of living's actually been increased.

>Yet, I haven't seen a single evidence on that.

You haven't? Maybe Finland (or Sweden - forgive me, I can't remember which) doesn't get CNN, then, but bin Laden's released at least 2 tapes where he talks about how the attacks were more successful than he hoped they would be.

> I still fail to see how it's a violation of their human rights if their standard of living's actually been increased.

Somebody missed the joke... :-)

> >Yet, I haven't seen a single evidence on that.
>You haven't? Maybe Finland (or Sweden - forgive me, I can't remember which) doesn't get CNN, then, but bin Laden's released at least 2 tapes where he talks about how the attacks were more successful than he hoped they would be.

Finland... Anyway, I really doubt that even a fundamentalist begins an everyday conversation by saying ``May Allah be blessed''. And, If I remember right, he didn't actually said that he did it. But ask from the generals, are people in Guantanamo part of Al-Qaeda or Taleban?

> Somebody missed the joke... :-)

Guess so...

> Finland...

I realized that after I read your sig but was too lazy to change my answer

> If I remember right, he didn't actually said that he did it.

I thoguht there was a point where he said that the attacks were a lot more successful than he had hope they would be. This at least shows he knew about them ahead of time...

> But ask from the generals, are people in Guantanamo part of Al-Qaeda or Taleban?

AFAIK, from both...

Why don't we turn this around a little. kooma, if bin Laden didn't do it, who did, and what do we do about it?