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    Just when you thought Bush couldn't surprise you...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6263616.stm
    Someone should ask Bush how many other criminal cases he's reviewed recently and whether any of those were incorrect in his expert "legal" opinion.
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    Pfft, that's not a surprise at all.

    Dollars to doughnuts he's completely pardoned when Bush leaves office and never even has to pay that fine

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    All I know is the Daily Show and Colbert Report will be kickass tomorrow.

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    It is the President's right to pardon anyone he chooses. This has been done numerous times in the past -- and on both sides of the political arena. For example, Alabama was to execute a guy from my town under the drug king pen laws, however, Slick Willie pardoned him to life in prison -- the stupid jerk.

    It has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether Bush has an "expert "legal" opinion" or if he is just protecting his friends.

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    I am never surprised by politicians any more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    It is the President's right to pardon anyone he chooses. This has been done numerous times in the past -- and on both sides of the political arena. For example, Alabama was to execute a guy from my town under the drug king pen laws, however, Slick Willie pardoned him to life in prison -- the stupid jerk.

    It has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether Bush has an "expert "legal" opinion" or if he is just protecting his friends.
    No one's saying it's not his right. That doesn't make the cronyism any less transparent, though.

    Also, when does "but Clinton did this!" stop being a legitimate excuse in GOP eyes everytime Bush does something bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    everytime Bush does something bad?
    Please define "bad"?

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    So does this mean the government is above the law? I guess the statement power tends to corrupt is true after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    It is the President's right to pardon anyone he chooses. This has been done numerous times in the past -- and on both sides of the political arena. For example, Alabama was to execute a guy from my town under the drug king pen laws, however, Slick Willie pardoned him to life in prison -- the stupid jerk.
    I don't know the details of this particular pardon, but this sounds like an example of appropriate use of presidential pardon. The executive is granted the exceptional power to override judges or laws on a per-criminal basis. Feeling that drug crimes did not merit a death sentence, Clinton exercised these powers.
    It gives the executive a check on the judicial and legislative. If you have a problem with it, you have a problem with the American system of government. I'm a fan of it personally.

    If you want something to compare it to something, compare it to Susan McDougal's pardon by Clinton, as she had possibly covered up for Clinton.


    In any case, I just hope that Bush gets raked over the coals for this. At the very least, he's going to be confronted with the question "Why" an awful lot.
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    Basically every time he's done something that everyone (outside of the 20% of the country too dumb to stop supporting) agrees is a bad thing. Hell, I even heard it used as justification for the war.

    "but but but clinton fired some cruise missiles there!"

    Libby lies to a grand jury about blowing a covert operative's cover and you hear "but clinton lied about getting head!" like it's the same thing. It's an equivalency fallacy, and not even a very good one.

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    All politicians are the same -- PERIOD. It is EXTREMELY funny to see the bleeding heart liberals, like yourself, getting all bent out of shape when the "other side" does something "bad".

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    Funny, I don't see how thinking Bush is a terribly corrupt President makes me a "bleeding heart liberal".

    But hey, if you don't have a real argument and can't address points you may as well start calling people names. By your logic about 70-80% of the country are "bleeding heart liberals"

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    Personally, I feel like I'm inside a anti-smoke commercial everytime someone calls me liberal.
    They do it with a purpose, you know. "Liberal!"... no they actually do it more like "LIBERAL!!". As if being liberal was a disease. You liberal rotten you. Get away from me!

    It really confuses me to no end. I like liberal. In fact I'm liberal on the side when I'm feeling political and conservatives happen to be too loud. And I like smoking too. Oh, and I usually like conservatives if they happen to be on mini-skirts.

    All politicians are the same -- PERIOD.
    So Bush is the same too?

    President Bush described as "excessive" the 30-month sentence Libby was facing for obstructing an inquiry into the leaking of a CIA agent's name.
    When you have a president that passes judgment on court decisions, and makes that judgment public, you already have a problem.

    When the president then goes and acts according to that judgment, it's immoral.
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    > So Bush is the same too?
    Yes -- He is way too far left for me.

    >When the president then goes and acts according to that judgment, it's immoral.
    Therein lies the problem of the US -- moral decline.

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    > Yes -- He is way too far left for me.

    Who would be a good candidate? If not a specific person, a list of qualities would be good.

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