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    Similarly, ChaosEngine, outside of the Libby case, do you believe there was a crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Sinkula View Post
    Similarly, ChaosEngine, outside of the Libby case, do you believe there was a crime?
    I'm not sure what you mean by "outside of the Libby case".

    If you mean, do I believe Libby prejured himself and committed a crime? Then the answer is yes, all the evidence would seem to suggest that he lied to the federal grand jury.

    If you're asking me whether the leak itself was a crime, I'm less sure of that and I'd need to read up more on the background of the case (i.e. the leak, not the perjury)

    I'm still interested to hear MacGyver's thoughts on the matter. I have noticed that he has tended to ignore this issue by stating that the original leak was not a crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosEngine View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by "outside of the Libby case".

    If you mean, do I believe Libby prejured himself and committed a crime? Then the answer is yes, all the evidence would seem to suggest that he lied to the federal grand jury.
    As in, outside of that, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosEngine View Post
    If you're asking me whether the leak itself was a crime, I'm less sure of that and I'd need to read up more on the background of the case (i.e. the leak, not the perjury)
    So obstructing justice in the case of a non-crime?

    Don't bother reading. It goes in circles.

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    I'm still interested to hear MacGyver's thoughts on the matter. I have noticed that he has tended to ignore this issue by stating that the original leak was not a crime.
    I don't believe it was.

    [edit]But I am interested in other opinions as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Sinkula View Post
    I don't believe it was.

    [edit]But I am interested in other opinions as well.
    I'm not sure it was either. But the point remains that, regardless of what went before, Libby did perjure himself.

    Mario F. made the point in this point and I just haven't seen a response to that yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Sinkula View Post
    Similarly, ChaosEngine, outside of the Libby case, do you believe there was a crime?
    I do.

    A CIA covert operative's identity was revealed, a violation of the IIPA. Plame was a covert CIA operative, according to the testimony of the CIA Director to the US House Committee on Gov. Reform 2007.

    Also the investigation in which Libby perjured himself was instigated at the CIA’s request.

    The leak damaged her career, could have risked her associate’s lives and possibly national security (she worked in a dept. trying to stop WMD being used against the US, ironic huh?).

    The only motivation I can see was it was done in retaliation to her husband publishing information/opinion that contradicted the Bush administrations case for war in Iraq.

    Or done by accident, but I do not accept incompetence as an excuse, as Libby claims, at this level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by novacain View Post
    I do.
    Why is there no prosecution of the perpetrator?
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