Thread: Staying vs Leaving the Middle East

Read Mein Kampf? I haven't myself, but I've seen a few quotes. Interesting stuff if your into wars and dicatorships for sure.

Yeah, it's historically not accurate, but it gives excellent insight into the psyche of a madman, which I think is useful.

Originally Posted by MacNilly

I just wanted to point out that your never going to be right. People will always disagree with you whether you roll eyes or not. If you feel so strongly, go over there and start killing some terrorists. Posting on a programming forum isn't helping operation freedom.

LOL.

I'm never going to be right because someone will disagree with me? By definition being right implies an absolute standard. If there is such in a given context of absolute rules that excludes popularity, the agreement of others is irrelevent.

Perhaps if you feel I'm incorrect, you could attempt to argue the relevent points. I don't think I would take offense if you could come up with another solution to the Iraq war without just running away. Somehow, I do not think you can come up with one, however.

FYI, I debate issues usually for 3 reasons:

• Others that read may be swayed by my arguments.
• I think it is important to take a stand for what is right.
• It's a good exercise to keep me active and ready.

I do feel quite strongly over this issue. I think the war is going well enough at the moment to merit me staying where I'm at. I do think I'm doing a very minute part in the civilian front by trying to convince others to support the mission.

MacGyver, please stop, we've lost interest in your little debate. You're right, you've won. Now please stop.

history is written by the winners

Ahh yes, this is actually one of my absolute favorite quotes. I e-mailed this quote to my humanities teacher earlier in the semester, here's an excerpt from that em:

"
I just finished a book on Nazi Germany called 'The Rise and Fall of the
Third Reich.' I read it because Hitler is often used by politicians, e.g.
calling each other Hitlers and Nazis when they disagree with what the
other party is doing; World War 2 is often used as a means to denounce the
practicality of pacifism. Rather than let the politicians educate me I
decided to read a book on the matter. I also have a copy of 'Mein Kampf'


I remembered a statement by Hitler (I cannot get the exact wording because
I loaned the book out). It ties into the concept of a subjective reality.

'It is not the truth that matters, so long as we are victorious. The
record will simply be written by the victors anyway.'

This was prior to the Nazi war machine invading Poland. All of Hitler's
war moves were done 'in the name of peace,' or simply as 'defense
maneuvers.' The Nazis justified the invasion of Poland by staging an
attack (they dressed up prisoners in Polish Army uniforms, shot them dead
in a field, and claimed they attacked the German army first).
"

Originally Posted by MacNilly View Post
Who knows? Maybe you will like to go?
Perhaps.

This is probably what bothers me the most nilly. I am reluctant to tell people to go to war or support a war unless I am or was in the service. Out of high school I enrolled in university and ARMY ROTC, I really liked it and wanted more. I hated school and wanted to drop out so I told a recruiter I was going to enlist in the marines. I asked myself if I really knew what I was getting myself into, and I didn't, so I hesitated on joining. One day I woke up in the morning, hit myself in the face with a frying pan and decided not to. If I agreed with the war, I wouldn't be arguing on a programming forum on its merits while other people are dying for the cause I believe in. That's my definition of a pansy.

EDIT:
jverkoeoy can support that this picture is, in fact, me, for he's met me in person
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Originally Posted by BobMcGee123

MacGyver, please stop, we've lost interest in your little debate. You're right, you've won. Now please stop.

Why don't we try this on the terrorists? Maybe if we beg them nicely, they'll leave us alone.