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I don't think we need to know the details about your physical relationship with your shirt.
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Perhaps some love their children unconditionally.
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I bet it exists for some people. Like Romeo and Juliet. And their precessors, those Greek people.
>Perhaps some love their children unconditionally.
As long as you're getting good grades or making a lot of money, otherwise they're ashamed of you.
Hmm
Well, love must be based off of something, and clearly, that would be a condition... otherwise, one would not discriminate about who one loved.
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But if the children were not their children, would that couple love them?
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my mother "unconditionally" loves me, if i were in prison she would love me, if i were a terrorist she would still love me. now as alphaoide said, if i were not her son, she would not love me under any conditions. so the reason she "unconditionally" loves me, is because I am her son, and if that condition were not met, then she wouldnt love me. so (at least in my case) a condition has to be met before i can be unconditionally loved. there for there is no thing as unconditional love.
however, you could argue that people like Jesus or Rama unconditionally loved everyone, but then again they are both supposed to be human forms of God.
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> however, you could argue that people like Jesus or Rama unconditionally loved everyone,
Jesus and pals don't seem to have much use for people who don't worship them, so I don't know if you can say that's unconditional.
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there's always a condition to love, unconditional love is an oximoron...
Hmm
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>>so (at least in my case) a condition has to be met before i can be unconditionally loved.
While we are being pedantically philosophical:
Depending on opinion, a condition that is met by definition may be considered to be a function of the situation, rather than a prerequisite. For example:
For an electrical circuit to work as intended, it must meet the condition that electricity can flow through it. However, by definition, it cannot be an electrical circuit if electricity cannot flow through it; therefore, the condition that electricity must be able to flow through it becomes a product of the environment rather than a condition.
Similarly, your mother loves you because you are her son; however, since she is your mother, you are by definition her son, and therefore since the condition cannot be nullified, it is not considered to be a condition but a fact.
>>Jesus and pals don't seem to have much use for people who don't worship them
I hope you realize that this is a rather caustic remark; and, I would like to repectfully disagree. The Christian motto, as far as I have ever known, is: Love the sinner, hate the sin. While this is rarely (if ever) followed perfectly by Christians, or anyone else, it is the ideal that is supposed to be manifested in God (-> Jesus). This, of course, raises the question, why does God so often appear judgmental and condemning rather than loving? There are entire books written on the subject, and as such, I trust that if anybody is truly interested enough, they will go read the books themselves - as I can hardly do justice to such a broad and controversial issue myself in the space of one post.
I would like to point out, however, an irony: Assuming omnipotence and omniscience, it is not possible to be "of use" to God at all, and consequently, if he does love us in any way, it is difficult to find any reason for a requirement to be attached.
Just my 2c.
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>>As long as you're getting good grades or making a lot of money, otherwise they're ashamed of you.
Loving someone and being ashamed of them are not mutually exclusive. I am often ashamed of those whom I love, and yet, I love them none the less.
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I just think that unconditional is a horrible term. Romantically and with friends, you start loving a person for some reason or some number of reasons. If that person were to suddenly change, you may no longer "unconditionally love them" because they aren't the person you "unconditionally loved". Love takes on many forms and occurs to many degrees. I tend to stick to the argument that there is no way to describe what can be classified as unconditional love with mere words, semantics just get in the way.
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Of course love is conditional. Look at how many divorces there are(when divorces are allowed). Of course these people loved eachother at one point(most...some may marry for moeny, other forms of personal gain). So why did these people that loved eachother break up? Well something changed, perhaps the guy was a raging alchoholic or just really lazy and she couldnt change it. Perhaps the woman no longer showed affection and the guy got sick of it. Really, if they had unconditional love they would still be together, and the fact that there are so many divorces shows that.
Really, unconditional love can only exist for people that are blind to it. Why are people attracted in the first place? Good looks, good personality to name a few. Would any of you love a woman that was completely ugly, absolutely mean and really hates you and was negative in most every way. The answer is no, you would not be able to love something like that. You would simply get annoyed and irritated if you tried.
Also...not to turn this into a homosexuality discussion, but if there was unconditional love, then why don't heterosexual guys love eachother? Easy, they have the condition that a partner needs to be female, and that right there is a condition that needs to be met, making unconditional love not true or at least narrows it down to people that can qualify for unconditional love extremely small and really, there are so many conditions and human nature is to judge by conditions as such that unconditional love simply can't exist.
> I hope you realize that this is a rather caustic remark; and, I would like to repectfully disagree.
The common Christian philosophy is also that if you believe the way you should, you go to Heaven. If not, you go to Hell. If that's incorrect, please let me know why.
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