Thread: Do you support the Human Clone project?

Are you asking because you do not know?

It is easy to yell "PULL" and then shoot everything out of the sky. Give your opinion solidly and quit defining your reason through questioning the reason of others....

Does this... does that... do you... so you are saying... etc etc.


What are you saying? What do you believe? We do not need to be converted...

My opinion.

An embryo is life for me... and is human life. I watched my son in my wife's uterus grow into the being he is now. As his spine and arms and legs developed, I watched them move on impulses not of my own or my wife's. Reguardless of scientific proof... of which there is none... reguardless of faith... of which everyone believes different... that creature was my son from the moment I believed him to be.

Quite simply, he was human to me the moment before conception because I envisioned him to be. No amount of questioning or probing will take that idea from me.

Now... about humans. We grow our children and send them into the world. Many of them fight in wars or die in drunk driving car wrecks or commit suicide or kill others. Many of them squander their lives away as if life wasn't something to be admired and loved.

Such is life. People die. Life dies.

I support stem cell research and cloning (which are really two seperate subjects). I think that it is interesting and has a lot of potential for wonderful things to include... healing diseases, better understanding of our genome, and perhaps genetically sending ourselves to far off worlds to be reborn in the primordial goo.

How can I believe such, when I think that embryos are life. Quite simply... life dies. It is ok. I eat chicken embryos too.

For cloning... people can have the same genetic make-up and be completely different people. Behavors are learned not made and so is, to the most part, psyche.


The end.

I'm not arguing ANY point of view. Just raising points for further discussion.

I definately believe embryos are alive -- but not necessarily human beings. Bacteria are alive, too, but I don't oppose using them for research. Certainly, embryos are living human cells, but so are my blood cells; yet they, on their own, can't be truly called human.

The real point I was making, however, is that it's not a black and white distinction between "human life" and "a living human cell". The dividing line between the two is fuzzy, and the ethics of cloning embryos for raw materials is highly dependant on how you draw this line.

As to my position: I have ideas, but I don't really have a firm position. Analyzing other people's ideas is a kind of research -- learning how other people think, dissecting and studying the underlying ideas they hold, critically examining each piece of each idea, and using them as food for thought. You'd be surprised how often someone can say something that opens up an entire new avenue of thought, or a new point of view that you never even considered.

At the moment, I only seek an understanding of how other people draw this line and what criteria they use to judge when experimentation upon an embryo/fetus/baby is moral vs. when it is immoral, and understand what factors led them to believe this.

And, for the record, I'd never try to convert ANYONE to my ways of thinking. I'll tell people my philosophies, and I'll argue with them at times, but I do so more to give them food for thought, and to hear their points of view, which, as I've said, can be very enlightening. In fact, I far prefer that people do NOT agree with me -- I learn next to nothing from those who think as I do; it is from those who hold opposing views that I gain insight.

>>I learn next to nothing
from those who think as I do; it is from those who hold opposing views that I gain insight.<<

Well said... you are certainly one with words and a very capable mind. I honor these traits in you.... as I have stated before.

I think that cloning of a human isn't such a bad thing.
At least as long as no one's trying to mix (you understand...) people with the other animals, 'cause it's SICK.

Yes, I support it, just because it's the first step, we need to learn about that, that could be a solution for a future problem.


Camilo

What is the future problem?

any future problem, extinct+found genes species, small poblations, cloned organs, I don't know, that kind of problems.


Camilo

I dodn't beleive in cloning, this has no ethical base to it.
the reason why is because i beleive that the more cures found for illnesses then the world will become more populated.
(socially this planets not ready for that yet!)
This i know you can't stop, but don't you think that the average age of 80 is enough time to do what ever you need to do,
I think the time, effort, recources and money would be better spent on trying to make arid land more arable (now that would help mankind)

(oops!! whatever happened there was i too serious?)

im wth series on this one

I didnt vote because Im so split in this, but who would want more blue haired druggies (not all of us are druggies) runnin around.

>>I didnt vote because Im so split in this, but who would want >>more blue haired druggies (not all of us are druggies) runnin >>around.

i like a well balanced thought out arguement

Hmm, I wasn't able to find the article, but here goes.

First off, I don't see how this could help stem cell research. The stem cells cultures should grow on their own just fine, that's not an issue. If we want a new strand of stem cells, then I suppose we could do it by cloning another human, although that seems like an awful lot of money and political hassle, a lot more than using an abortion.

Now for the issue of cloning itself. This can be cut into two parts. First, there's cloning for the sake of medical research. Second there's cloning as a way to just duplicate one's self.

For medical research, I'm just going to say that I feel the same about it as I feel about abortion. I'm pretty sure that lines me up with most of the world.

As for cloning for the sake of making a person...
Well, in theory I don't see why not. I mean, in the end it isn't that different from making a kid the old fashioned way. It's just a lot more expensive... and you don't need any friends to do it . The only problem with it I suppose might be that we're 'playing God', but that's not personally swaying.

In practice, it's a whole nother beast, since the clone very well may have some pretty nasty medical problems.

>>Hmm, I wasn't able to find the article, but here goes.
Ehhh.... This thread is 2 months old...