Scott Peterson - Guilty

**Govtcheez** · 11-13-2004

Originally Posted by EvBladeRunnervE

woman wants abortion, she gets it - NOT-MURDER; man beats women, causing her to miscarry - MURDER.

1) The baby was far enough along that it would have been illegal to abort anyways
2) What's it called when the baby dies because the mom is killed and then is cut out of the womb?

**EvBladeRunnervE** · 11-13-2004

It didn't have a real name because you don't get those till youre born, I wonder if the press made up the name.

supposedly She was going to name him Connor; however, the real reason is that by attaching a name to a fetus, you can get more sympathy votes for a bill.

**RoD** · 11-13-2004

Originally Posted by EvBladeRunnervE

I don't think they honestly had enough evidence to convict the guy; Even the prosecuting attorneys agreed that it was all circumstantial evidence. I also think convicting him of the murder of "Connor" was wrong, mainly because it is a double standard if applied generally : woman wants abortion, she gets it - NOT-MURDER; man beats women, causing her to miscarry - MURDER.

your an idiot. At the stage of her pregnancy abortion was an illegal option, so how the hell.....oh never mind youd miss the point anyway.

**Thantos** · 11-13-2004

how did they even come up with a name for the unborn baby.

Its actually quite common to have a name picked out beforehand. And I've heard that one step in therapy for women that have miscarried, aborted, or had a still birth (or lost their child before birth in some other way) is to name the child.

Oh yeah: Hey stupid (Ev) its called choice. While I do not support abortion, I do see a big difference between abortion and a 3rd party murdering the child.

**ggs** · 11-13-2004

internet!

**RoD** · 11-13-2004

Abortion is a fancy name for population control.

**Darkness** · 11-13-2004

Originally Posted by RoD

Abortion is a fancy name for population control.

Along with 'programmer'

**RoD** · 11-13-2004

What?

Anyway. Can abortion be interpereted as murder? IMO, No. But that answer lies entirely in what you believe about the creation of a human being. Medically speaking the fetus is not yet a pain feeling, lively human being when its within the abortion legal time frame.

Should women have a choice? Absolutely. Dont give me that "she shoulda been more careful" crap either, because nothing but abstenence is perfect, and abstenence makes you a prude.

Shoould she have a choice once "life" is established medically? Hell no.

**Thantos** · 11-13-2004

Should women have a choice? Absolutely.

Save the case of rape: Didn't she make a choice to engage in sexual activites which have been medically shown to be the number 1 cause of pregency?

because nothing but abstenence is perfect, and abstenence makes you a prude.

Hmmm I don't think anyone here would call me a prude.

Medically speaking the fetus is not yet a pain feeling

That means we can kill her because she doesn't feel pain

edit: This is fun

**Govtcheez** · 11-14-2004

> Didn't she make a choice to engage in sexual activites which have been medically shown to be the number 1 cause of pregency?

I think we're past the point where every sexual encounter should be required to produce a child. Are you also against the use of birth control?

**Thantos** · 11-14-2004

No I'm not against birth control in the least. I also have no problem with the "morning after" pill. But I do find the choice argument flawed. Again saving rape, a women chooses to engage in sex and she gets pregeant. Choice - possible result. Now that child never asked to be concieved it had no control over the situation. But a women can choose to kill that lifeform. Something just seems kinda screwy to me.
Oh and for the record I completely support abortions in case of medical neccessity. I'm also sympathetic to those who get abortions due to rape, incest, or medical malformation of the baby.

edit: Oh I would really like to see some proof of RoD's claim that they can't feel pain. I haven't seen anything one way or the other in that regard.

**Govtcheez** · 11-14-2004

Again, then, it's up to the definition of what you consider a life form.

**B0bDole** · 11-14-2004

>medical malformation of the baby.
so youre ok with killing someone because they're different

**Thantos** · 11-14-2004

Re-read the sentance. I said I was sympathetic, it doesn't mean I agree just that I can understand. And by malformation I was refering to serious problems (ie not developing certain organs).

Again, then, it's up to the definition of what you consider a life form.

Then what do you consider a life form? When the child is viable outside the womb? How viable? At what point during the pregancy does it go from a simple collection of cells to a human?

**Govtcheez** · 11-14-2004

Originally Posted by Thantos

Then what do you consider a life form? When the child is viable outside the womb? How viable? At what point during the pregancy does it go from a simple collection of cells to a human?

You're going to hate this answer, but I haven't decided yet (not that my opinion matters at large anyway).