Thread: Bush vs. Kerry

> He claims that he will not reinstate the draft (which he very well may not -- there is no evidence at the moment suggesting that he will), yet for some reason he refuses to do away with selective service registration.

This is just silly. I don't know of any other president that has actually tried to get rid of SS, and there's no reason for Bush to start now.

usually they get shouted down pretty fiercely here. I usually just avoid it myself. It's often easier to just answer programming questions.

Anyway, no-one did show signs of being conservative. He didn't elaborate though.

what would you like to discuss? (I noticed my reputation dropped again in the last hour. I'm sure I can get it way down before the night is over)

It's always nice to see how open-minded liberals act toward diversity of ideas.

I boosted you up, to even things out. I went to do it again and got this:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FillYourBrain again.

hehe, thanks but no need to worry about my rep. If I were concerned about it I wouldn't be posting in a political discussion.

Originally Posted by Govtcheez

> He claims that he will not reinstate the draft (which he very well may not -- there is no evidence at the moment suggesting that he will), yet for some reason he refuses to do away with selective service registration.

This is just silly. I don't know of any other president that has actually tried to get rid of SS, and there's no reason for Bush to start now.

Do you realize how ridiculous that statement sounds Govtcheez? The "it's been screwed up for a long time, so why bother fixing it?" argument is rather lacking.

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jlou, I think that too large of a portion of the regular posters didn't vote for Bush, so you aren't going to get a particularly large selection of answers... Other than FYB's since he's willing to face the liberal wrath.

Originally Posted by Zach L.

Do you realize how ridiculous that statement sounds Govtcheez? The "it's been screwed up for a long time, so why bother fixing it?" argument is rather lacking.

You must misunderstand what he was saying here. Cheez was pointing out that the two don't relate and if you're criticism of Bush on the draft issue is that he "refuses" to do away with selective services registration you must also say that Bill Clinton "refused" and every previous president "refused". The reality is that nobody is refusing. They just have far more important things to deal with than making a change that wont help anything to begin with.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. First, there are much less important issues that get brought up and made into big controversies, things which should not be an issue, and are used primarily for emotional issues. And, congratulations for noting that Bill Clinton did not do away with it either. Neither did Bush Senior, or Reagan, or Carter, etc.

That line of reasoning strikes me as benig very similar to most unfortunate conversations I've had with people lately over politics namely a challenge "John Kerry's flawed because of..." or "George Bush is flawed because of..." does not elicit the react on "[Insert candidate] is not flawed because of that, and here are some reasons", but instead they just assert that the other major party candidate sucks.

Right, and by "refused", I mean that the issue has been brought up to him and he decided not to do anything about changing the current state of things. I have no idea if it had been brought up to Clinton et al or in what manner he "refused" to deal with it, but that is irrelevant anyway.

wow...

Originally Posted by jlou

I wish there was more than one person on this site willing to lay out their reasons in voting for Bush and back up those reasons with a little discussion.

wish and you shall recieve...

Ok given the response of Democrats I know here at school and around the world I have to rant for a bit, and since I can offend all the people who disagree with me here without having to deal with them in real life, you all are the ones to suffer through it...

You want to know why I voted for bush, here are my reasons. Well as some of the polls mentioned, moral issues. Now before you bash me for being some christian right zealot let me explain. I base every decision and belief on my morals, and what I can logicaly justify to myself, it has nothing to do with religion (Hell, Im an atheist). That being said I believe Kerry's economic policies are not only bad for the country as a whole, I believe they are Immoral at their basic level.

Second, I believe that Kerry's foriegn policy is basicly a reactionary move back towards the policies of Clinton, which while they might not have offended anyone in the world, they certainly didn't make us safer.

Third, while I believe in the smallest government possible (Why does the Libertarian Party only nominate raving looneys?) I believe the Republican party is the best chance at achieving this (for the moment at least). While elements of the Republican Party wish to resitrict personal freedoms, over the course of history Society itself has moved towards allowing more and more personal freedoms and has showed more and more tolerance for those deviating from the status quo. Saddly the same can not be said for economic freedom, in fact society has moved to less and less economic freedom, Because of this I have to vote for the party that will continue to push economic freedom and count on society to continue their path towards personal freedom.

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Ok now Democrats, you want to know why you keep losing??? You want to know why you have lost ground in every election since the 1996? Here is why, because you're a bunch of elitst jerks(not all of you) You continue to believe that anyone who doesn't agree with you is an un-educated ignorant nothing. You think that is the way to convince people to vote for you. When I say Socialism is wrong, and that the democrats spend too much money, you call me a stupid greedy pig just because I believe I have a right to what I create. When I say that abortion is wrong, you call me a stupid bible thumper (once again, Im an atheist and you call me a bible thumper). The democrats don't seem to be able to handle the fact there people disagree with them. The democratic party has turned into the worst form of Ideology with no one willing to question its policies or its beliefs and simply content to bash anyone who disagrees with you. I HATE REPUBLICANS, I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE them, why do I end up having to vote for them, because the democrats call me a stupid ignorant greedy pig. Once you realize the fact that intelligent people disagree with you and that you have to convince them that you're right, or at least a better choice, rather than just saying that they are ignorant maybe you will have a chance
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Go ahead flame away, had to vent...

You guys saying that you voted Republican for smaller government and less spending have actually paid attention to how much Bush increased spending and the size of the government, right? The entire first 4 years he was in office, do you know how many spending bills he vetoed? ZERO. Do you really think that'll happen when his party is entirely in control of the government?