Presidential Debate (US)

**RoD** · 09-30-2004

back on topic:

that debate was kinda lame, but out of the two, kerry whooped ARSE.

**no-one** · 09-30-2004

i think Kerry could have done much better, actually... he stepped over himself to much, no big slams, but Bush atomic elbow dropped him...

my opinion, though i missed the first half is Bush won.

i agree though the debate was lame... the questions were a tragedy!!!!!!

Jar Jar,
read the edits in my post, the debates over i called it... i won by a land slide... pay attention.

**axon** · 09-30-2004

>>Do yourself a favor. Watch it on CSPAN without Fox's BS addons. Decide for yourself.<<

does anyone else see anything wrong with this statement?

I saw it on FOX, and there were no "BS addons" throughout the debate.

RoD, were we watching the same thing?!? In my opinion Bush came out much better, and he was the one doing the "kicking"; Kerry was always indirectly on the defense and frankly didn't handle it too well. WERE IS THIS GUY'S PASSION? you could see that Bush got fired up as some of Kerrie's responses; Kerry on the other hand acted as a stuffed, emotionless puppet.

The debate was good; better than I expected - too bad I wont get a chance to see the other ones

**RoD** · 09-30-2004

bush got fired up because he knew he was wrong. Bush used the same answer for every question, and continued to attack kerry as a flip-flopper, when kerry adressed that claim and quite well.

Bush never should have gone into iraq. As bush does, kerry says yes, he was a threat. Good idea, BAD execution. My only gripe with kerry is his anti-atv attitude, but ill take him over bush anyday.

**axon** · 09-30-2004

>>...because he knew he was wrong<<

good explanation RoD. Good job.

>>Bush used the same answer for every question<<

Not exactly, but so did Kerry - and so did everyother presidential candidate in the past - that is what its all about.

>>when kerry adressed that claim and quite well.<<

Remind me RoD, how did he do that again? you can't "address a claim quite well" unless that claim is not true.

>>As bush does, kerry says yes, he was a threat.<<

this makes no sense, but I know you quite well so I will translate for the community, correct me if I'm wrong: "Kerry agrees with Bush that Saddam was a threat".

>>My only gripe with kerry is his anti-atv attitude, but ill take him over bush anyday.<<

now you're just being stupid.

**RoD** · 09-30-2004

thnx for the clarity axon. The war shouldnt be the only issue in the campaign, and while tonights debate wont be the last, everyone is focusing SO much attention on the war end of it theres other issues not even being touched.

Abortion, weapons, ATV's (and the like), welfar, SS, etc

**no-one** · 09-30-2004

thats for the next debate this one was on the easy issues, to break Kerry in. he has a lot to work on in order to debate Bush on the other issues, thats my take on the singular issue of "National Security" anyway.

**axon** · 09-30-2004

>>everyone is focusing SO much attention on the war end of it theres other issues not even being touched<<

each debate has its own topic. War and national security is very important, but I still think other issues matter much more to the American public.

**xddxogm3** · 09-30-2004

I feel both presented their points in the best way they knew how.
It is not the question of who could exploit the others weeknesses the best, but
what they will do in office for next 4 years. I did not hear either one say anything
that will make me chose one of the other. Granted I only saw the tail end of the debate. I feel bush has to go in with one strike against him. I'm a passafist, and in the year 2004 I feel we have the capability of evolving beyond war as an answer (provoked or not) so bush will have to do a lot better to get my vote. One thing is for sure, the political media will be trashing both for this debate.

**Govtcheez** · 10-01-2004

> RoD, were we watching the same thing?!?

I could ask you the exact same thing.

> Kerry was always indirectly on the defense and frankly didn't handle it too well.

Oh? Is that why Bush kept going for his 30 seconds without asking Lehrer if it was ok?

> Remind me RoD, how did he do that again?

He explained the crap that's been described as "flip-flopping"very well. If a situation changes, you are allowed to change your opinion on it. It's not as if you should stick with something you know is wrong after new evidence comes to light. Hell, Bush flipflops just as much as anyone, but you don't see that being harped on by the left.

> you could see that Bush got fired up as some of Kerrie's responses; Kerry on the other hand acted as a stuffed, emotionless puppet.

It was a pretty sterile debate. Bush got fired up and frustrated because he couldn't answer the questions without a 15 second pause in the middle or going over his time. Besides, I'd rather have a president that calmly regarded the situation and acted, not one that just jumped into action before thinking about it.

> now you're just being stupid.

Now we agree. Anti-atv stance? WTF?

**RoD** · 10-01-2004

Kerry is against activities that many feel damage the eco-system. Such as ATV's (All terrain vehicle), off roaders (SUV's, Trucks), Camping outside designated area, etc. Some of that is valid, but im strongly against the banning of ATV's.

**no-one** · 10-01-2004

>Oh? Is that why Bush kept going for his 30 seconds without asking Lehrer if it was ok?

and Kerry didnt? they both did, and most of the times i saw, Bush did it in response to Kerry's doing it, or vice-versa... anyway BLAME IT ON Lehrer he is totally weak as a moderator.

>He explained the crap that's been described as "flip-flopping"very well...

in my opinion he did not, though he did make a sound point on it, he trampled it on the next question. his execution of is points ruined most of them.

>Bush got fired up and frustrated because he couldn't answer the questions without a 15 second pause in the middle or going over his time.

huh? the questions were freaking retarded, and he got "fired up" because of Kerry.
and the questions requiring the same answer from him, being asked a dozen different ways...

i mean it appeared to me the questions were slated for Kerry, and not very well rounded... i mean being its his first debate you have to give him some breaks, but not in that manner.

this whole discussion now is retarded anyway because the debate was absolutely horrible.

**Govtcheez** · 10-01-2004

> Bush did it in response to Kerry's doing it,

What? I don't recall seeing Kerry using the 30 seconds at the end without permission once.

> the questions were freaking retarded

Examples?

> i mean it appeared to me the questions were slated for Kerry

haha, ok. I'd like to see some of them.

**no-one** · 10-01-2004

i didnt see bush do "that" exact thing either... nit picky... reguardless Lehrer did not enforce the debate format AT ALL. Any transgressions are his fault. PERIOD.

edit: btw: thats not what you asked in the first place

>Examples?

yes let me make some verbatum quotes out of memory real quick... no wait how bout you pick one...

edit: actually how bout the last one on "personal opinions" of each other...

>haha, ok. I'd like to see some of them.

uh, did you watch the debate, the questions gave Kerry FAR more flexibility in response...

why are we even bothering with this? this arguement is assinine opinionated bullI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am silly anyway... so i request dropping it before it gets stupid.

**PJYelton** · 10-01-2004

To me it seemed Kerry was the calm debater who actually answered the questions as well as the attacks from Bush, while Bush seemingly seemed flustered and confused and answered every question with the same two points over and over and over again. Kerry explained the "Wrong war, wrong time" complaint well in my opinion as well as the flip-flopping argument, yet Bush just kept turning a blind ear to this and instead of coming up with new arguments just kept repeating the old ones.

I do agree that this debate was geared a little to much for Kerry though, 90% of it was on the war in Iraq which is fairly to easy to debate Bush screwed up on. I'll wait for the other debates on more domestic affairs to see if this trend seems to continue.