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    >>> but programming is at a stagnant state

    The global economy is in a stagnant state. When it is so, firms do not risk/invest in new systems, so software houses consolidate and cut back research.

    >>> theres a huge skill/knowledge deficit,

    There are a great many highly qualified, highly experienced IT professionals that are out of work at the moment because of the above.
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    >The global economy is in a stagnant state. When it is so, firms do not risk/invest in new systems, so software houses consolidate and cut back research.

    I realize that and that its part of the problem and nothing we can solve here...

    >>> theres a huge skill/knowledge deficit,
    >There are a great many highly qualified, highly experienced IT professionals that are out of work at the moment because of the above.

    im not sure what you mean by this... it could be interpreted several ways, so i reserve response for further explaination.
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    I see statements like...

    >>> theres a huge skill/knowledge deficit,

    ... that very often. If this defecit is so great, why are there so many qualified and experienced software developers out of work?
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    look, your missing the point entirely, i was refering to the raw knowledge defict between the old and new programmers, not how many proffesionals there are or arn't... but what they have to or do know as compared to 10 years ago, and what they can do with it... and not just professionals but bob the hobbiest programmer too...

    but even thats really a side point to what im asking, we need progressive discussion of topics not just a glass of water and a pat on the head, whats needed is understanding not just do it this way or that its just dont like that... and of things most wont think to ask about or even realize that its important... the old school knows what the new school is no longer required to know or taught, but needs know anyway.

    they need knowledge they can do something with not cool templess swaps... or crap like that.
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    Honestly, the vulgar masses of programmers aren't ready for your utopia because they're not capable of such selfless sacrifice. The world is a dog-eat-dog world where you've got to look out for Number One. An idealistic, or delusional, few are all that are going to contribute to your socialist programmers' utopia. A lot of people like to talk about progress but progress towards what? I firmly believe that any "progress" is really just a step towards decadence.
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    Okay, I cant take it any more. Before we can continue with this proposed "enlightening discussion", I propose that we go over a few rules of the english language that a [number of] person(s) in this thread could seriously benefit from. Once these rules are followed in even a half-hearted manner, I'll hopefully be able to follow what in hell you're talking about. Thus I'll be able to enter into such a discussion without first having to mentally parse every paragraph.

    com·ma n.

    [Grammar] A punctuation mark ( , ) used to indicate a separation of ideas or of elements within the structure of a sentence.

    pe·ri·od n.

    [Grammar] A punctuation mark ( . ) indicating a full stop, placed at the end of declarative sentences and other statements thought to be complete, and after many abbreviations.

    el·lip·sis n. pl. el·lip·ses (-sz)

    [Grammar] A mark or series of marks (... or * * *, for example) used in writing or printing to indicate an omission, especially of letters or words.

    cap·i·tal·i·za·tion n.

    The use of capital letters in writing or printing.
    [Added Note: Especially at the start of sentences. i.e. After a period.]


    As an added bonus it would be nice to see only a single instance of punctuation per occurance. e.g. "Hello!" is preferred over "Hello!!!!!"

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    /* Edit */ Corrected: I should probably check for spelling, grammar, etc, in a post that is so blatantly derogatory towards those who don't, yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightatdawn
    cap·i·tal·i·za·tion n.

    The use of capital letters in writing or printing.
    [Added Note: Especially at the start of sentances (emphasis added). i.e. After a period.]
    Just between us pedants, remember that sentence is spelled s-e-n-t-e-n-c-e; that's with an e, not an a.
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    he also mispelled practice as practise.
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    Lightatdawn is Canadian so its ok

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    Being Canadian is not ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnregdRegd
    Just between us pedants, remember that sentence is spelled s-e-n-t-e-n-c-e; that's with an e, not an a.
    Ooh! Shot down. I'm ashamed to say I do that on a fairly regular basis, actually. It's one of those words that comes out different on a keyboard when I'm typing madly away than if I think about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrismiceli
    he also mispelled practice as practise.
    As Thantos in all his oh-so-worldly-knowledge pointed out, thats how we spell it here in Canada, eh.

    >>Being Canadian is not ok.

    LOL. We can always trust you for the quick wit govt.
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    Shut up, you dirty Canuckistani

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    >Shut up, you dirty Canuckistani
    That fits so well with the thread title.
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    >>Shut up, you dirty Canuckistani

    Thats it Govt, I'm reporting you to the mods for flaming. *click* ... *checks e-mail* ... Aw crap, now what?

    Which brings me to an interesting notion; If I "report to mod" a thread, would I then legally be able to turn around and delete it claiming a request from a user? j/k

    So, um, ya. About that enlightening discussion... ?
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    socialist canuckistani... propaganda!!!!!!,...

    us msnt folow ways f teh old wrld,..!? i and thus mus caster wayaay ther evile.!!....! pnktuatin tis evile... elisp and totl captisation si teh mnew futr, spealng si fer teh wek confirmist mind.

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