The UN is meaningless, they have no real power. Those violations are proof.
The UN is meaningless, they have no real power. Those violations are proof.
Ok fair enough, it seems that perhaps i misjudged you, my apologies.So you see Clyde, I am critical of my country as well. I see how my statement about respecting Bush could be seen as "blind loyalty"; I guess I had a bit too much of bombarding him thrown in to my face
Do you think Israel would have gotten away virtually scot free without US backing?The UN is meaningless, they have no real power. Those violations are proof.
ha, without the US backing, the neighboring arabs would attempt to wipe them off the face of the earth. Now that's good policy!
"You are stupid! You are stupid! Oh, and don't forget, you are STUPID!" - Dexter
If the US had not backed Israel, and the surrounding Arab nations had removed the Israeli government the day after it formed (bearing in mind of course that the whole origin of Israel involves the Palestinians effectively being told they no longer run their own country) do you think the situation would be worse or better than it is today?
the historical argument is irrelevant to today's policy. US failing to back isreal today would result in a blood bath. Again. Great policy! Glorious Day!
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"You are stupid! You are stupid! Oh, and don't forget, you are STUPID!" - Dexter
Without the US, there certainly would be a blood-bath in the middle-east, but it would be dispensed by Israel.
ah, then US is holding the evil Jews back? interesting, I wonder why arabs always say we have Jew love and we need to die.
Or are they just uptight?
"You are stupid! You are stupid! Oh, and don't forget, you are STUPID!" - Dexter
Yup-the ones with the biggest and most guns can do what they like. And I for one dont give a damn.Originally posted by BMJ
Without the US, there certainly would be a blood-bath in the middle-east, but it would be dispensed by Israel.
What happened to the Arnie storyline? I like Arnie. Maybe I can vote for Arnie to be next UK Primeminister.
Talk about Arnie, not the usual tat that all threads suddenly vanish into.
Such is life.
Such is life.
If a policy has been a disaster in the past perhaps its time to reconsider it.the historical argument is irrelevant to today's policy.
.... engage brain then post.US failing to back isreal today would result in a blood bath. Again. Great policy! Glorious Day!
1) I don't know if you noticed but its a blood bath now.
2) If the US stopped funding Israel tommorow the Israeli government would still be able to totally destroy all of its neighbours for a long time to come. Even without handouts the Israeli economy outstretches that of its compeitors as does its miltary technology.
By backing Israel in a blatently unbiased manner, the US alienates itself from the Muslim world, pours petrol on the fires that burn in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, undermines the only meaningfull global institution designed to keep countries within humanitarian guidelines and plays straight into the hands of anti-Western terrorists eager for new recruits.
Great $$$$ing policy.
Last edited by Clyde; 10-10-2003 at 04:27 PM.
No matter what happens, Israel will always be at odds with its neighbors...It seems its only a matter of time before an all-out war starts in the middle east...and it likely would draw a large part of the world into conflict as well...If Israel continues their aggression, it also seems likely the the UN will start condemning them, and perhaps that will lead to even less Israeli cooperation--the whole situation is just a time bomb waiting to explode
"Think not but that I know these things; or think
I know them not: not therefore am I short
Of knowing what I ought."
-John Milton, Paradise Regained (1671)
"Work hard and it might happen."
-XSquared
The problem is not inherently unsolveable, there have been times in the past where peace has been close.
The US needs to STOP backing Israel and instead put pressure on both parties to go back to the negotiating table. The only way the conflict will ever end is via the formation of a separate Palestinian state and that is only possible through diplomacy.
Many of the major obsticles to peace are due to the amazingly idiotic placement of Jewish settlements right in the middle of Palestinian territory, if instead of buying Israel yet more tanks and missiles the money was instead used to help rellocate these settlements real progress could be made.
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but isn't part of the issue dispute over territory?Many of the major obsticles to peace are due to the amazingly idiotic placement of Jewish settlements right in the middle of Palestinian territory, if instead of buying Israel yet more tanks and missiles the money was instead used to help rellocate these settlements real progress could be made.
"Think not but that I know these things; or think
I know them not: not therefore am I short
Of knowing what I ought."
-John Milton, Paradise Regained (1671)
"Work hard and it might happen."
-XSquared
yes, that's basically it. People who feel strongly on either side believe the territory is rightfully, historically theirs. So it's silly to listen to anyone who speaks as strongly as Clyde does.
Love you silly Clyde
"You are stupid! You are stupid! Oh, and don't forget, you are STUPID!" - Dexter
Yes it is, but if you look at the maps, you realise instantly where the problems are coming from.Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but isn't part of the issue dispute over territory?
They need to draw a line between a Palestinian state and Israel.
The problem is that when Israel took control, they put out settlements but instead of placing them in or next to Jewish areas, they placed them slap bang in the middle of Palestinian populations.
If these settlements could be moved (and thats no insignificant task) finding a diplomatic solution that both sides were reasonably content with would be much MUCH easier.
Its not about whether the land "should" be one way or the other, it's simply a matter of logistics, where ever you draw a line one side loses a large amount of its population to the other state. To help reduce that you move some of the Jewish settlements they are "islands" of Israeli's in a sea of Palestinians.People who feel strongly on either side believe the territory is rightfully, historically theirs
The question is simply: What can be done to solve the problem, and what is being done now to exacerbate it.So it's silly to listen to anyone who speaks as strongly as Clyde does.
Last edited by Clyde; 10-11-2003 at 04:54 AM.
