Thread: Bowling for Columbine

did charlton hesston really go to coluimbine shortly after the shootings to promote guns and the freedom to own guns?

I think whether it was planned in advance or not ultimately becomes a moot point because ultimately he still went and did a pro gun rally after 12 students and a teacher got shot and killed. Can you imagine the suffering they were going through at that time? A second similar incident happened in Moore's hometown where a six year old girl was shot, and again Hesston showed up doing a gun rally. In Littleton Hesston was told he wasn't wanted there by the mayor, but he showed up anyway...Isn't that kind of sick?

The problem is not guns, but the unwillingness of the people to take personal responsibility for their actions. Instead we have a nation full of "victims" that believe they are owed something by society.

Would the homicide rate go down if we got rid of every firearm in the US?

Yea, but only because it wouldn't be as easy.

Would people find other ways to kill each other?

Most definately.

I wish I had the answer of how to fix this problem, but people like Michael Moore aren't helping IMO.

Note: Not trying to say everyone thinks of themselves as victims but a significate portion of society that are pressing their social agenda do.

Would the homicide rate go down if we got rid of every firearm in the US?

Yea, but only because it wouldn't be as easy.

and that is an invalid reason because? Most fat asses in the United States eat more because it is easy to obtain high calorie food.

EDIT: aaaaaaaaaaargggggggg, you are actually implying that it would be BAD for the homicide rate to go down...you admit it would go down but it would be bad because it wouldn't be as easy to kill people...I feel like Yossarian

Would the homicide rate go down if we got rid of every firearm in the US?

Yea, but only because it wouldn't be as easy.

Uh so? What matters at the end of the day is that less people would end up getting killed.

I wish I had the answer of how to fix this problem

Ching ching, gun control.

a significate portion of society that are pressing their social agenda do

Are you talking about minorites?

First, the NRA meeting in Colorado after the Columbine shooting was planned far in advance like Govt said. However the NRA's national meeting is usally a week long event, because of the tradegy they cancelled all but the last day. They couldn't cancel the entire meeting because the NRA bylaws state that they must have an annual convention. So the point that the NRA and Heston went to Colorado is really pointless, the NRA did everything they could.

Second Thantos I agree with you mostly except one the point that if guns were illegal, the homicide rate would not go down. As evidence look at D.C. it has the strictest guns laws anywhere and has a worse crime and murder rate than most cities of larger size. D.C. has a murder rate of 69 in 100,000; Indianapolis 9 in 100,000.

States and cities that allow citizens to carry concealed weapons infact have lower crime rates across the board. The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. Also, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.

Also if you look at other countries you find more proof that making it hard for people to get guns doesn't reduce crime. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, Switzerland and Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States."

Finnaly, I forget who it was but someone mentioned the National Nuke Association, well you know what, people should be allowed to have Nuclear weapons if they want. Nobody seems to realize why the second ammendment is in the constitution. The Founding Fathers included the Second Amendment to prevent the Government from becoming a state, an organization that has a monopoly of force. The Second Amendment is there so that if the Government fails to represent the people, the people can overthrow the government. The Second Amendment exists so that the people can keep the Government in check.

You are a fool.

Wow clyde that made you sound so very intelligent.

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A radio interview before a large group of Boy scouts visted an army base.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?

Thanks for the info on the interview, I didn't know if it was real which is why I only included it as a sig, but its still a good point. Also I know that just becuase that correlation does not prove causality, but it does show that guns are not necessarily the problem

I'm not trying to imply that the homicide rate going down would be a bad thing. The more important thing is that people would find way to kill each other even if guns didn't exist. Basically you remove guns and yes deaths will go down UNTIL another people start using a different weapon to kill each other.

The underlaying problem is not guns but the willingness of people to use them on each other. Are computers bad because some people use them to steal other's identies? Are cars bad because some people run each other over with them?

As a Marine I am quite aware of the purpose of firearms. But it is still just a machine. It can not take any action without someone exerting their will onto it.