A very weird poll

**TechWins** · 07-20-2003

blackrat, I say good for you. There is nothing wrong at all with waiting till your marriage to have sex. I've even turned down a girl once, because the time wasn't right. I was only pointing out why Ethic feels people should wait. Ethic is a bitter person who comes here and makes asanine comment to make himself feel better. So I'm simply trying to bring him down from his cloud.

gcn_zelda, I'm sure as time goes on you will have a stronger desire to have sex, but you might keep to your beliefs and hold out. Which is very good indeed, because keeping to your beliefs is very important. I don't see having sex before marriage is immoral, nor do I see it as a thing that should be done like you're a rabbit during breeding season.

Zakk, I personally would rather have a girlfriend who is less experienced than a girl who is experienced. Although, if the girl is experienced that wouldn't detract me from liking/loving her.

**Clyde** · 07-20-2003

That's not an issue among humans. We have DNA tests. That's
not even an issue among animals, because they don't care
about such things.

Its the reason behind the emotional responce you get. We might not conciously care for those reasons but they have are why our brains are wired up to get annoyed with a cheating partner.

Like i said its entirely "natural".

Which is terrible, because as more of you sink lower and lower
into a world of skankishness, you bring down the morality
standards that future generations should try to abide by. The
world is disgusting.

There is no "lower", you cannot judge the future by todays values, it presupposes that the values we have right now are in fact the "right" ones and all the values of the past and all the values of the future are all wrong. Which is of course utter nonsense because morality is not an absolute code etched into the universe. Its simply a changing set of social values.

The future is going to be extremely sleazy, and you're the type
of person that's responsible for it. It's sad that you actually
represent the majority. You want drugs easily available, multiple
sexual partners; you want everything that'll lead to instant
gratification socially accepted. It's a destructive and dangerous
way to live.

Perhaps by our standards it will be sleazy but its completely irrelevent because by their standards it will fine, which will mean it will be fine, FULLSTOP.

The values which stay put are the ones which are neccesary for society to exist, those which are superfluous or are remnents of old irrational belief systems get weeded out.

So what if in the future everyone ends up having multiple sexual partners? So what if humanity abandons monogamy? (I don't think it will happen btw) None of that matters as long as society (which is just people) are not being harmed. Thats ALL that EVER matters when it comes to morality.

Its nothing to do with "instant gratification", and everything to do with social evolution. Values change, they always have and they will do for a fair time to come. Yesterday altering nature was seen as wrong, the day before eating fish on Saturdays was a seriously unethical thing to do, tommorow they will look back on us as absolute heathens for eating animals. You can see different values in in different cultures, my girlfriend has gone back to Pakistan for 5 weeks where her fundamentalist mother would tell you that it is morally wrong for anyone to think "impure" thoughts or go swimming (in a swimming costume), by her standards you no doubt are the one who is encouraging a sleazy future. There is no line, there is no right answer, everyone is convinced that their particular values are the ones by which everyone in every time period should be judged. Get some damn perspective.

Every generation looks at the coming generation and says "damned kids, they didn't do 'X' in my day, look at the moral decline kids are doing 'y' and 'z' now! Isn't that awfull!" And the same reply of of "what the hell are you talking about you weird old person?" comes back.

**gcn_zelda** · 07-20-2003

The standards are lowering and lowering, in my opinion. I can't watch a PG movie without hearing bad language or sexual innuendo. Today's standards are sick. I'm 13 and I'm smarter than many of you people!

**Clyde** · 07-20-2003

It might just be my religion that makes me believe that, but the standards are lowering rapidly. Back a century ago, you probably would be exiled for having sex outside of marriage.

Right... your religion, of course, don't ever question that by the way, just accept everything your told, lock it up deep in your mind and errect huge mental barriers around it so that you don't have to think whenever anyone questions what you think. Then you'll be set.

Anyhow joking aside, do you really think it was a good thing that they exiled people for having sex outside of mariage?

In an area of Pakistan they have now outlawed marriage that is not accepted by the parents of the people to be married. Its seen as immoral to go against your parents wishes and in this particular area they have enforced this moral standard with the law. They also agree with you that sex outside of marriage is wrong, and as such have imposed the death penalty for anyone found to be indulging in it. Of course the two laws beautifully combine to mean that if a couple fall in love, want to get married, their parents object, they elope get married in secret and then live happily for a while. If the authorities find out they will have their marriage annuled and then be stoned to death for indulging in premarital sex.

There's a nice set of orthodox traditional values. If you don't draw the line at exile why draw the line here?

If you think sex outside of marriage is wrong, tell me why.

Bear in mind here that i fully realise that there are people out there who want to wait untill they are married to have sex, thats fine, and they may want to find another person who is doing the same, thats fine too, BUT to say that other people who don't want that are in the wrong, that their values are somehow less than your own is utter garbage.

**Clyde** · 07-20-2003

The standards are lowering and lowering, in my opinion. I can't watch a PG movie without hearing bad language or sexual innuendo. Today's standards are sick. I'm 13 and I'm smarter than many of you people!

Fine, the standards are lowering and lowering.... and thats bad.... why?

**gcn_zelda** · 07-20-2003

good point. If you're not religious, it doesn't matter much...I'm religious, though, so I care.

**confuted** · 07-20-2003

Originally posted by Clyde
Perhaps by our standards it will be sleazy but its completely irrelevent because by their standards it will fine, which will mean it will be fine, FULLSTOP.

Ah, the ancient programmer's trick of calling a hard-to-fix bug a feature!

**Cheeze-It** · 07-20-2003

Originally posted by TechWins
Ethic, you're bitter only because you can't get any. What a nice excuse to come up--saying that you believe sex shouldn't take place until marriage. In your case you obviously only believe that because as stated above, you can't get any. Whereas others may wait because of cultural or religious reasons. You wait well because simply you have no other choice but to wait. Oh, yes, and wait you will for a very long time.

Since you're stupid and didn't bother reading my comments
before you replied to me, I'll quote myself from an earlier post I
made:

But anyway, my stance has nothing to with marriage. It has to
do with thinking that people who've had a lot of partners are
extremely gross.

I'd like you to point out where I said people should wait until
they were married. You can't, because I didn't say that. Nice
try, though.

I'm actually amazed to hear a "you can't get laid, haha" insult
coming from someone like you. That's something you'd expect
from those jock kids, not punk rockers. You people are suppose
to be social-rejects rebelling against conformity. That's your hook.
That's why punk exists. It's nice to finally see your true self; it
has solidified my opinion that punk-culture is just a gimmick;
an excuse that crappy, talentless bands use to get attention.

And you shouldn't be proud that you've had a lot of girlfriends. I've
seen punkrock girls, they're disgusting. They're hairy, they have
no standards when it comes to sexual partners, and they're
usually crack addicts. Woh, you scored a junkie. Good for you.
You're rad, man. ::high five::

**slaveofthenet** · 07-20-2003

Originally posted by gcn_zelda
I'm only thirteen, and having sex doesn't matter much to me.

Give it a year or two.. that will change.

**TechWins** · 07-20-2003

Ethic, you're a sad, sad, little ma...errm I mean boy. I'm not a punk rocker like you would to call it. I may listen to some punk music (I mainly listen to emo, indie, and some (emo)(hard)core), but how does that make me apart of the punk culture you have pointed out? Also, I've never had a girlfriend that was a punk rocker girl, and a lot of these punk rocker girls, like you would like to call them, actually are kinda hot. Not to mention, I never said I had a lot of girlfriends; I only said you never get any from a girl. Huge difference. Although, that's not to say that I don't ever have any girlfriend. Here is a pic of a friend of mine who likes the same kind of music as me. Thing is, though, she doesn't dress anything like a punk rocker girl, nor does she look like the punk rocker girls you are referring to. The best part about her isn't her looks or her taste in music; it's her wonderful personality. So, yup, I'm the one who is hanging out with the ugly punk rocker girls who are skanky and junkies. That's me.

sorry to everyone else for bringing this up in this thread

**Cheeze-It** · 07-20-2003

That girl looks like a prostitute.

**TechWins** · 07-20-2003

Yes, because prostitutes usually wear pajama like clothing and no make-up, then have a look on their face as though they are just waking up, which she was at the time. In that case yes she would look like a prostitute.

**Cheeze-It** · 07-20-2003

>Yes, because prostitutes usually wear pajama like clothing and
>no make-up, then have a look on their face as though they are
>just waking up, which she was at the time.

When you paid for the whole night, yes, they do.

Here's my friend..

My friend can kick your friend's ass.

**TechWins** · 07-20-2003

Wow, you're cool having a friend like that! I wish I could have such awesome friends like you do. Maybe I might go by a comic book, so I can try to find some of the same kind of friends your lucky self has.