Thread: Mission Unix Dumb-Ass to Unix-guru

Originally posted by Brian
No! Don't use Linux. Linux is very dissimilar to the Unix you will be using. Many Linux distros these days are guilty of XP'ing up linux, so you get a bubbly interface hiding all the power. If you want to experience a real Unix, download FreeBSD. It is surprisingly easy to learn, very powerful, and in many respects faster and more stable (i.e. less bloat) than linux.

Please don't flame me. I speak my opinion.

Every Unix out there (other than the non-standard ones on pda's, etc) has a shell. Linux is no different. You can almost always type commands in the shell, even within a 'bubbly' interface.

the bsd are more traditional, but so are some linuxs.

get something like redhat, it brakes alot of rules but it make it easy to start out. from there probally gentoo or slack(depending on your computer and how brave you are).

bsd probally are better, but linux is easier to learn and use. there not that different any more..



nice thread title by the way.

Originally posted by ygfperson
Every Unix out there (other than the non-standard ones on pda's, etc) has a shell. Linux is no different. You can almost always type commands in the shell, even within a 'bubbly' interface.

what i mean is that linux encourages the use of resource hogging interfaces rather than the shell. The shell is the whole point of linux, if you make linux users use the bubbly interface like mandrake and redhat are doing these days, they wont learn anything and will be better off with XP.

Originally posted by blackrat364
hmmm... Brian, I'm using that "bubbly interface" as we speak and I'm still more or less lost. signature I've been forced to use the command line many times in order to do things, and I'm just getting started with learning. I think that there is still a lot to be learned from using the GUI - it's not without value, and makes Linux a bit less intimidating the first time you boot to it.

One of Window's pitfalls is the forced use of the GUI, this makes remote administration practically impossible without a load of specialised tools, and also makes new users to UNIX wonder why everything doesnt have a button.

It's fine if a unix GUI program performs administration tasks visually, whilst in the background using the shell, but if administration tasks are moved to the GUI entirely, this brings a whole new load of problems to SSH fans.

to make it nice and short, there need to be a separation of kernel and gui and we need better guis!

part of the problem is that no one wants a big change, but brian does have a point.

im hoping a new x/kde-like project will start up. the idea is good but i dont like how it worked out.

this might be a good place to get some answers......

blackbox
fluxbox
icewm

etc... ring a bell?

there all built on a very old x.

i couldnt stand having those as a desktop...

Originally posted by mart_man00
there all built on a very old x.

i couldnt stand having those as a desktop...

no they are built on the same xwindows as you use...

and by the way icewm looks pretty damn nice if your into the kde bubbly fancy graphics desktops

i never did check out icewm, not that bad. but its still more of a windows manager than a desktop if you know what i mean.

i migh use one of those on older laptop soon, kde/gnome is pretty big.

i dont see why anyone would need anything more than windowmaker.

stupid resource-hogging posers.

i dont see why anyone would need anything more than windowmaker.

why do we have c or assembly, staight binary does the job fine.