Nunchucks

**PJYelton** · 04-07-2003

A few selections from firearms demystified

LOL, man that link had some of the best examples of bad logic that I've seen in a long time!

To name a few of the many:

The ready availability of guns today, with waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, et cetera, is responsible for recent school shootings,compared to the lack of school shootings in the 40's, 50's and 60's, which resulted from the availability of guns at hardware stores, surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, mail order, et cetera.

Faulty Cause and Effect/Inability to understand things can have multiple causes! How in the world did having guns at hardware stores keep people from shooting at schools? How does fingerprinting/etc allow shooting at schools now??

Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

Taking things to their illogical conclusion! No explanation needed here.

A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves

Bad analogy! Maybe we should just disallow EVERYTHING the majority wants! Besides, without a statistic to back that claim up, I don't believe that the majority of the people DID support owning slaves.

Just a few, theres more but I'm out of time and I've made my point

**windoze victim** · 04-07-2003

1: I did not say i liked or agreed with all of the reasons there, and to be truthful, dont get some of them, but have there been more shootings and murders when most people had guns, as opposed to now?

2: As i said earlier,

if you are a criminal, rapist, robber, etc., if you knew that when you assaulted, robbed, etc., that there was a good chance that someone would have a gun/other weapon and use it to stop you, would you be more inclined or less inclined to perform those illegal acts.

3: A crimminal with a weapon is most effectivly stopped by another weapon, like, A GUN. NOT pepper spray and kind words.

**Clyde** · 04-07-2003

"if you are a criminal, rapist, robber, etc., if you knew that when you assaulted, robbed, etc., that there was a good chance that someone would have a gun/other weapon and use it to stop you, would you be more inclined or less inclined to perform those illegal acts."

Ok so your saying there is less crime because the populace is armed, ok, should be easily verifiable by comparing crime rates to countries with stricter gun laws..... oh wait....

"A crimminal with a weapon is most effectivly stopped by another weapon, like, A GUN. NOT pepper spray and kind words."

Yes yes yes, BUT a criminal is FAR MORE LIKELY to be wielding a gun IF

A: They are so common they may as well be growing on trees

and

B: If he knows that the people he's trying to rob are all going to have weapons.

How many thieves in the US do you think are armed compared to thieves in countries with strict gun laws like the UK?

**windoze victim** · 04-07-2003

Do you disagree that a crimminal will get a gun regardless of any gun control laws?

And personaly, I would be more reluctant to pursue crimminal activities if I knew that people might have guns at home or on their person.

EDIT::

That thing about Hitler's rise to power? He would have had a more difficult time if the people had had guns to defend themselves.

Also, by going after small groups of people at a time, he did not bite off more than he could chew, but thats OT.

**Clyde** · 04-07-2003

"Do you disagree that a crimminal will get a gun regardless of any gun control laws?"

A criminal that desperately wants a gun will get one regardless of gun laws. But then most robbers in countries with strict gun laws don't desperately want a gun.

**sean** · 04-07-2003

It's the same situation with terrorists. If they're willing to die, there's not a lot you can do, since the biggest punishment (and it's just an expression - don't argue with me over whether or not life sentences are worse) we have is exactly that - death. But again, there's a psychology there. If you can tell someone they can't do it, a lot of people want to do it even more. Stupid humans...

**windoze victim** · 04-07-2003

I bring to attention the prohibition, which whas supposed to stop the drinking of alchohol. But with hindsight, guess what?

Budweiser!
All those commercials!

A lot of good the prohibition did, it fed an underworld of defying the law, and an entryway into crime.

**Govtcheez** · 04-07-2003

Originally posted by Sean
It's the same situation with terrorists. If they're willing to die, there's not a lot you can do, since the biggest punishment (and it's just an expression - don't argue with me over whether or not life sentences are worse) we have is exactly that - death. But again, there's a psychology there. If you can tell someone they can't do it, a lot of people want to do it even more. Stupid humans...

That argument doesn't have any bearing on this, unless you're saying that by passing stricter gun control laws gun ownership'll actually go up...

Originally posted by windoze victim
A lot of good the prohibition did, it fed an underworld of defying the law, and an entryway into crime.

So, gun barons, then? Truckloads of rifles, smuggled in from Canada? You guys really need to rethink your arguments.

I'm not even that pro-gun control, but your guys' arguments really suck.

**SourceCode** · 04-07-2003

Anybody know about Nunchucks?

Actually yes, it's almost as if it came natural to me, I used to be pretty dam good with them. When used effictively they can cripple an opponent, or even kill. I'd go as far as saying a well trained Nunchaku master can defeat any opponent, even one with a gun.

Just wanted to add that if you are just starting out, get plastic nunchucks or very light-weight wooden ones. Do not get steel nunchucks, you can and probably will hurt yourself, I did several times when I was training.

**PJYelton** · 04-08-2003

A person who wants to commit a crime will most likely commit the crime regardless of whether or not he is allowed to have a gun (actually probably less likely if he doesn't have a gun). The question is, do you or do you not want him to have a gun when he does it?

And for all those arguments that guns protect people, how many times do you hear somebody saying that their life was saved because they had a gun? Almost never! How many times do you hear about people getting shot accidentally or somebody just waltzing in to a school or workplace with an easily obtained gun and killing people or just random shootings on the street? Every frickin' day! Even the Los Angeles Police Department issued a statistic that if you pull a weapon on an attacker, your chances of being killed or hurt by that exact weapon skyrocket. Chances are the person attacking is much more proficient with the weapon as well as calm under the circumstances.

Just compare the unbelievably high murder rates of the US with any country that has strict gun laws. Or is that just a random statistic? I have traveled to over 20 countries in Europe, Asia, and Africa and I guarantee you that by far and away the most dangerous country that I've been to is the one that I live in, the US! Everywhere else the worse you have to worry about is getting pickpocketed, here people are dying.

**novacain** · 04-08-2003

>>in 48(im pretty sure) states its still legal to have an assault rifle.

And in how many US States do you need to pass a test proving your understanding of the BASIC levels of gun safety or use?

FOUR (You need a to pass a test to drive a car but not to use a gun?)

>>Gun control works great in Australia, where criminals now enter homes while the owners are there.

More of this incorrect NRA propaganda. Shame on you for falling for this rubbish. Look carefully at the stats they use. Do they all include only gun related crime or all crime?

More people are killed with guns in an average DAY in the US than are killed in a YEAR in [Australia + New Zealand + Japan] combined.

In fact, since guns were recalled and banned in Australia following the Port Arthur attack, the number of murders has fallen and number of gun related crimes has fallen. The only crime related to guns that rose was attempted murder as more victims survived the lower caliber non auto firarm attacks. If you need a link, ask.

>>Do you disagree that a crimminal will get a gun regardless of any gun control laws?

Yes.

Try getting one here in Australia (where it is next to impossible to get a gun legally and then it is law that guns have to be locked in a safe). Any rare or illegal item will become more expensive and harder to find.

This stops the crimes of passion or revenge. Ones committed on the spur of the moment while angry or intoxicated.

Remember, there is a 90% chance the person shooting you is known to you.

**dP munky** · 04-08-2003

>>How many thieves in the US do you think are armed compared to thieves in countries with strict gun laws like the UK?

just because guns are a problem here, and our police wear bullet proof vests, doesnt mean that other weapons arent a problem in the UK...

there was a body armor thing on the discovery channel the other night and it said you were 12 times more likely to be stabbed in England than in the US.... guns arent the problem, its the psychos

>>So, gun barons, then? Truckloads of rifles, smuggled in from Canada? You guys really need to rethink your arguments.

worked for alcohol

**golfinguy4** · 04-08-2003

Originally posted by Clyde
Ok so your saying there is less crime because the populace is armed, ok, should be easily verifiable by comparing crime rates to countries with stricter gun laws..... oh wait....

Clyde, It's logical to be armed to the teeth, why don't you see it? It's only good for society.

Ya know, that little thing called WWI, same idea but on a bigger scale.

**Xei** · 04-08-2003

In reality people will use whatever weapons they need to. However, owning a firearm will increase the psychos chance success. Actually, right here in Calgary, a business manufactures alot of the Kevlar vests that the U.S. is using in Iraq; and only 1 person has been killed with a firearm within I think that last 1.5 months. The kind of $$$$ we hear on the news is: "19 year old so and so was punched from behind, taking a fatal blow to the head when hitting the ground when exiting some pub...". It only makes sense that removing public access to harmful weapons will decrease crime... its population increase which increases crime... Including inflation etc..(cause then they cannot eat, then they steal, then they get punched in the face, then they burn down the bakery) (just a poor example). But, when all factors are considered, we will realize that the removal of weapons will ofcourse create a black market, but crime actually is lowered even if it is rising... if you know what I mean.

**dP munky** · 04-08-2003

i heard somewhere that actuall crime has dropped by like 18% in the last 10 years but coverage of crime, in the news, increased by like 6000% ??? wtf is that all about?

i think it was on bowling for columbine...that michael moore flick

>>And in how many US States do you need to pass a test proving your understanding of the BASIC levels of gun safety or use?

FOUR (You need a to pass a test to drive a car but not to use a gun?)<<

could you cite that?? im pretty sure to own an assault rifle you need a FEDERAL permit, as well as, a state license, to get a federal permit you must take a 6 week class in firearm safety.

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