Thread: Which Country To Replace USA As Superpower?

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    Which Country To Replace USA As Superpower?

    *I am not biased either against or for americans in any way
    & i am not an american.


    Whether you agree, or disagree with this war or any recent
    war initiated by US, i believe the choices are not that pretty.

    In my opinion the following are some of the cons and pros of having USA as super power.


    The advantages:

    US is not a homogenious nation but in fact populated and
    repesented practically by every single nation on earth.
    it is in effect a mini united nation.

    It is run by ellected officials.(some may debate that) and a system of checks and balances.it is not a closed society.

    Its not a tribal nation (like arabs or jews or french or chinese).

    It gives some priority to human rights all over the globe
    (be it fake or not).

    It at least gives lip service to the cause of the poor on
    this planet and at least initiates drives to erdicate hunger
    (when was the last time a china or an arab country or israel
    or germany made a national effort to feed hungry african
    nation of #$%^&*).

    It does not have a long history behind it .so it doesnt carry
    with itself added ancient garbage & hatred of other nations.


    It still carries the good virtues of its original pilgrams.and
    open its doors to the needy and poor souls on this planet.


    Disadvantages:

    It Has killed or maimed more than 3 millions of the world
    inhabitants and enslaved thousands of others since its
    inseption.

    its driven by capitalism and arrogance.

    In general its citizens are , in polite words "unaware"
    and for a country which carries the super power
    title it is a disgrace.(its mostly the fault of capitalism
    in general and the barbie and ken type anchore person
    in us media and news).

    it is hypocritical when it comes to human rights.

    friends like saudis and kuwatis & pinoche & hosni
    mobarak & the types of osama bin laden and noriega.

    enemies like ellected salvador alendeh(argentina)
    & mossadak(iran, which was toppled by CIA 1952)
    and many others.


    CHOICES for super power:

    China YA RIGHT! (look at tibet)

    Russia with Zironofsky at the helm. it will nuke you.

    France If you dont speak french it will bomb you.

    Germany Too homogenious. plus they failed once miserably.

    Arabs Too tribal & paranoid.If dont do as they say they will send chemical ali or osama.


    Israel too homogenious & tribal and plus they already
    own one.

    UK too burnt out & bored.

    Japan too homogenious and unattached.

    Iraq What would happen? nothing. because they would
    have scotch taped every person on the planet.



    The best choice in my opinion is the UN .but since it has no army
    of any effect, then my 2nd choice is a nation that represent
    the world on a smaller size & and that ladies and gentelmen
    is the bad old us of a.
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    USA will be a superpower for a long time to come but as history tells us, every power must fall sooner or later. I hope that it will be as late as possible. I really can't imagine a world without the USA being in it, but then again, I live in it.

    I believe that if we don't strive for better relations with the growing superpower'ness of China, we'll have another Cold War at our hands. But if we can cooperate, like Clinton tried to do, we'd both grow and prosper. We'd be an unstopable force along side our ally, the future Democratic China . Those Chinese want the revolution....

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    Originally posted by Speedy5
    but as history tells us, every power must fall sooner or later.
    You are absolutely correct. This is the nature of power or you can say the nature of every action.

    When you have your teeth, you don't feel much about it's importance. or the pain of not having them. When you are loved by someone, you feel better and want more but forget the moments when you were not loved. Even after a long time you forgot the basics. Being a super power, being a champion come from team effort. Even after achieving the goals again it's never possible to keep intact for ever.

    Now, I feel sorry to see the face of Russian man/woman/kid, once it was a proud & glorious, they used to feel superior.

    But this is another mistake, this is wrong in a plain text and nothing goes without reaction. It will take time but definitely will be answered. History of nature tells us, we will never be excused.
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    Re: Which Country To Replace USA As Superpower?

    Originally posted by SAMSAM
    Disadvantages:

    its driven by capitalism and arrogance.

    In general its citizens are , in polite words "unaware"
    and for a country which carries the super power
    title it is a disgrace.(its mostly the fault of capitalism
    in general and the barbie and ken type anchore person
    in us media and news).

    it is hypocritical when it comes to human rights.

    friends like saudis and kuwatis & pinoche & hosni
    mobarak & the types of osama bin laden and noriega.

    enemies like ellected salvador alendeh(argentina)
    & mossadak(iran, which was toppled by CIA 1952)
    and many others.
    Im going to try and reply in a tactful manner:

    It seems that some of your "cons" turn an ignorant eye to the unavoidable commonalities of all nations. And then over exaugerates these statements by not showing relativity.



    --"It Has killed or maimed more than 3 millions of the world
    inhabitants and enslaved thousands of others since its
    inseption."

    All nations have wars, all nations have slaves, all nations have a death toll in one form or another. It may not be in the more recent events, but it lies there in the nations history. You also have to take into consideration that those we "enslaved" are now free in a system of equality. And if you think about it, dictator-powered goverments have ALL there citizens enslaved in a sense.



    --"its driven by capitalism and arrogance."

    Here, you have capitalism an economic system as a down side. Which is very incorrect. Capitalism is one of the best, or BEST economic systems, therefor it cannot be a down side.



    --"In general its citizens are , in polite words "unaware"
    and for a country which carries the super power
    title it is a disgrace.(its mostly the fault of capitalism
    in general and the barbie and ken type anchore person
    in us media and news)."

    Here you have two flaws in this statemennt. The first most obvious is that Capitalism has nothing to do with our "unawareness", as its not related AT ALL.
    The second, is that our democracy system allows us the ability of ignorance. The reason, is that we have elected leaders to make decisions for us. These leaders ARE in the know, and ARE fully capable of making decisions. These are the people who make foriegn policy decisions. Even though we are a super power, the citizens dont have to know the politics of foreign affairs becuase we donttt make those decisions. The citizens affect mainly DOMESTIC policy. And in that respect its no foriegn powers business how ingorant we are in that respect, or the decisions we make, becuase they are OUR decisions for US.



    --"it is hypocritical when it comes to human rights." I would very much like for you to elaborate on this, as its an unclear, un supported statement.



    --"friends like saudis and kuwatis & pinoche & hosni
    mobarak & the types of osama bin laden and noriega.

    enemies like ellected salvador alendeh(argentina)
    & mossadak(iran, which was toppled by CIA 1952)
    and many others."
    These too, are confusing. As we are NOT friends with Osama bin laden, thats just a stupid thought all together. Nor are we "friends" with any country with 'evil' dictatorships. Mearly, we are in TREATIES with them for the prevention of worsining cituations.
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    Well if the US stands as long as Rome, we've got at least another 500 years ahead

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    Everyone here is now dumber after having read your post.

    As for what im gonna say that even remotely resembles a relevant answer is:

    1) Homogenous - not a very nice way to describe aspects of countries.

    2) What about Tibet?

    And see, the thing about super-powers of the world is that it isn't a planned thing. They just happen. Gee, where have I heard that phrase before...
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    At the extent of sounding anti american which i deny .here u go



    dbgt goten:

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    All nations have wars, all nations have slaves, all nations have a death toll in one form or another. It may not be in the more recent events, but it lies there in the nations history. You also have to take into consideration that those we "enslaved" are now free in a system of equality. And if you think about it, dictator-powered goverments have ALL there citizens enslaved in a sense.
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    Thats true ,but those nations dont present themselves daily
    as the one & only symbol of freedom, dignity, compassion
    , and the true guardian of human rights on the planet.
    &please remember , we are talking about a super power
    and not just any country , and the way it goes about gaining
    the respect of the world body.




    ""Here you have two flaws in this statemennt. The first most obvious is that Capitalism has nothing to do with our "unawareness", as its not related AT ALL.
    The second, is that our democracy system allows us the ability of ignorance. The reason, is that we have elected leaders to make decisions for us. becuase we donttt make those decisions. The citizens affect mainly DOMESTIC policy. And in that respect its no foriegn powers business how ingorant we are in that respect, or the decisions we make, becuase they are OUR decisions for US.
    ""


    there is nothing wrong with capitalism in its natural form
    to let competition for all to prosper.but not the kind that
    comes through sheer force that cripples the 3rd world countries
    national industry(before it can florish and prosper). by forcing
    the small countries for example(through globalization ) to import
    rather than development.

    And yes when %90 of the us media giant is owned by a handful
    of big conglometers, you can bet your american pie that they
    dictate in disguised fashion a watered down cosmeticaly&
    politicaly&economicaly correct news flow.

    for pitsake your anchormen are all millioners.how objective
    can they get about the plight of a poor soul on some banana
    republic?

    ""These leaders ARE in the know, and ARE fully capable of making decisions. These are the people who make foriegn policy decisions. Even though we are a super power, the citizens dont have to know the politics of foreign affairs""

    Yes & No.

    ""These too, are confusing. As we are NOT friends with Osama bin laden,""

    I beg to differ. while his gang was murdering russian soldiers
    during russian afghan war , he had meetings on regular occasions
    with american envoys & pakistani counter inteligence head.to
    get more support.
    *Obviously i am not saying USA was fully aware of the kind of
    animal he was.

    Regardless, I believe america is the only sane choice for this
    title in an insane world. but i suggest to its statmen to read
    the book by ancient historian strabus"the rise & fall of the roman empire" or the current william durant "age of faith".



    Panopticon

    ) Homogenous - not a very nice way to describe aspects of countries.




    Did not mean it to insult any one.

    2) What about Tibet?

    I add mongolia to it since you persist.and taiwan

    tibet is being chinasized forcefully on a daily basis.and chinese
    are very trigger happy. sorry no go

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    IK close thread plz

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    One can wonder if there should be just one superpower in the world. In my opinion there should be at least two so that none of both would feel themselves the superpower to rule the world.

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    >>The best choice in my opinion is the UN .but since it has no army of any effect,

    Sorry bro, but this UN organization will be changed after the fiasco of this iraq debate - it is quite clear that the UN will no longer be a "SECURITY ORGANIZATION" and turn into a solely humanitarian org.

    Being a super power is more about FORCE PROJECTION more than anything else... and that can mean money or guns and being able to react or project force or influence(money) any where in the world at any time... As of today noone can match the funds the US can put up in a situation and today noone, not even our NATO allies have the kinda of military forces we have.


    >>""These too, are confusing. As we are NOT friends with Osama >>bin laden,""
    >>
    >>I beg to differ. while his gang was murdering russian soldiers
    >>during russian afghan war , he had meetings on regular >>occasions with american envoys & pakistani counter >>inteligence head.to get more support.

    We never had contact with osama bin laden... in fact we avoided the JIHADISTS from the arab countries - and only had contacts with the mujahadeen of local afghan or pakistani decsent - it was quite clear, even back then, that the arab JIHADISTS made no distinction between russians and westerners, even those trying to help there cuase.

    >>In general its citizens are , in polite words "unaware"

    We used to be, after 9/11 we woke up to the fact that these JIHADISTs F***TARDS were at war with us and have been for years and finally struck... I think that the rest of the world is quite ignorant to the world and their attitudes would change if they lost 3000+ civilians in one day... It is quite stupid and ignorant to say "WAR IS WRONG", it is necessary especially when someone is already at war with you, it is good when it brings change - eliminating evil regimes and in the future providing a future and positive influence in nations like afghanistan that once had no hope.

    Some of these protestors around the globe including the ones in america are so stupid i think they would actually try to argue that we shoulda never fought in WWII and that we are evil for dropping the bomb on japan... these ppl need to be wiped from the face of the earth as they understand nothing and so many braincells are dead in these ppl they are walking zombies who can contribute nothing to society other than be utilized to hold protest signs and march chanting slogans they've been fed and don't even know what they're saying.


    The USA will be a superpower for quite some time, and everyone will see that George Bush has done more for freedom and world peace than all the nobel peaceniks and UN gaywads could acheive in a lifetime, put together...
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    I'm not a very political person so I can't comment on everything but....
    it is hypocritical when it comes to human rights.
    That is 100% correct, but then again how many other countries are this way, and who says the USA has to make all countries who violate human rights a better place to live?

    its driven by capitalism and arrogance.
    I can see where you are coming from with this, but what other form of government would have made the USA the country that it is today? No matter how arrogant it may seem Capitalism simply works

    In general its citizens are , in polite words "unaware"
    and for a country which carries the super power
    title it is a disgrace.
    This is true, but I don't see how it is a disgrace though because in EVERY country this is the case. The majority of the people in the world are ignorant to worldly issue's because their views are swaded by the government in which they live. This is the case for every single country in the world. Just because you are aware doesn't mean everyone else is. It is not just the US

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    (when was the last time a china or an arab country or israel
    or germany made a national effort to feed hungry african
    nation of #$%^&*).
    Like... yesterday ? How about looking it up if you don't know it ?

    BTW: Do you know who is clearing the thousands of mines warmongering nations lay on foreign soil ? You don't believe african nations have the funds to do that, do you ?


    These leaders ARE in the know, and ARE fully capable of making decisions.
    Wow... I was away one day from the news sources, and the Americans elected a new president ?


    It is quite stupid and ignorant to say "WAR IS WRONG", it is necessary especially when someone is already at war with you
    Let me quote another american:

    Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!
    I guess only the US, who never had a War in their own country in recent history and no civilians alive who can tell how an airraid siren sounds can call it ignorant and stupid to be against a war. None of those you bomb, maim, kill and hurt today had anything todo with 9/11.

    these ppl need to be wiped from the face of the earth as they understand nothing and so many braincells are dead in these ppl they are walking zombies who can contribute nothing to society
    They think differently, they should be killed. Nice to know your position, did you take private lessons in dictatorship or are you just an axis-of-evil apprentice ? You are not a bit better than those you fight. Just on the other side of the fence and with another religious background.



    And just so you know, I'm pro-war for different reasons. But I still don't like the attitude of the majority of the war-supporters.
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    Originally posted by nvoigt
    Wow... I was away one day from the news sources, and the Americans elected a new president ?
    Insinuating the president is ignorant to foriegn affairs makes you a bit ignorant.
    1.) The president's job IS foriegn affairs (aside from domestic ones as well). Every day, he spends dealing with foriegn politics.
    1.b) The president has a "cabinant" dedicated to specific affairs, that Also brief him and provide advice.
    2.) Your comment makes the incorrect assumption that ONE man, the president, soley makes these decissions. When infact, we have a system of "checks and balances" and most actions go through, or can be veto'd by congress. Several hundred educated, un-ignorrant people, who can democraticly back or reject the presidents decissions.

    Im tired of you peoples comments that have no supporting details/ideas. They are just half-witted sly comments that are ment to passive-agressively MUMBLE ignorant opinnions. If your going to argue, do so correctly.



    Thanks.


    PS:
    GAH!, I just noticed this comment;
    --"I guess only the US, who never had a War in their own country in recent history and no civilians alive who can tell how an airraid siren sounds can call it ignorant and stupid to be against a war. None of those you bomb, maim, kill and hurt today had anything todo with 9/11."

    Our country was FOUNDED by a war that happend on our own land. Our CIVIL RIGHTS are FOUNDED on a WAR that happened in our own land, the civil war. Wether those wars are in history, is an unimportant detail. Just as this War with IRAQ will eventually be in "history" it still happened, timing is unimportant. Heres what I'm getting at, every war, every incident the USA has been involved in has been for "the greater good". We do not attack sovereign nations with healty leaderships that DONT commit attrocities. Nay, we attack the LEADERSHIP of threatening (moraly, and ethicaly based) nations. We attack these governments becuase the only way for them to dwindle away is to prevent growth. if you allow growth, you allow a great risk of danger.

    Lets talk about our actions, and GERMANY for a minute. We ignored what was happening, and tried to remain neutral in some foriegn affairs. When we did, we have a super power like Germany, with its NAZI leadership KILLING, and MAIMING, and HURTING, thousands of people. If we hadnt stepped in, the world would be a much worser place now. Thats what this action with iraq is about. PREVENTION. We KNOW saddam is a bad person, YOU know sadam is a bad person. He's commited attrocities against his Own people. Given the oppertunity, he would do it to Foriegn people.
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    (when was the last time a china or an arab country or israel
    or germany made a national effort to feed hungry african
    nation of #$%^&*).
    <<<

    If you check, you'll find that many Europen countries have a higher per capita third world aid program than the US.
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    nvoigt - WHY did you even take the time to respond to an OSR post? :-/

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