REF:
Does anyone have idea of the situation:
US attack in Iraq without approval of UN.
What UN should do? or What UN can do?
I guess there will be a question on the existence of UN.
*** NOTE: I'm not sure if moderators will remove this thread.
REF:
Does anyone have idea of the situation:
US attack in Iraq without approval of UN.
What UN should do? or What UN can do?
I guess there will be a question on the existence of UN.
*** NOTE: I'm not sure if moderators will remove this thread.
Last edited by zahid; 03-09-2003 at 12:13 AM.
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Bush made the initial decision to cooperate with the UN. He is doing his best to work through the UN for the sake of global acceptance. It's a shame that he chose this path because more people are going to depise America, having gotten the same misconception of which you apparently have. He could've decided to go it lone and that would've resulted in the US being looked down upon perhaps only half as much as it is now. If he had not tried to work with the UN the war would probably be over today. Most likely the UN would do much less than anything at all.
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"What UN should do? or What UN can do?"
"I guess there will be a question on the existence of UN."
dateline 1984:
6430 people of halabjeh(%90 children and women) were gased to death today by direct order of sadam hussein for cooperating with iran.
dateline 1986:
upto date 54390 young iranian soldiers and civilians have been
gassed to death with chemical bombs.
What UN could do? or What UN should have done?
Did u ask that question then my friend?
Mr bush is a cowboy no question about that. he wants a war
or atleast it sounds like it.obviously he is doing it to protect
american interests abroad(so he says) but this one is of those
rare occasions that his interests and the interests of average
iraqis are the same. i am not being ignorant to talk for a whole
foreign nation like iraq . but given hussein record and the
desolutness of that nation, do you think mr chirac would
send his army to free iraqis(or he is more worried about
the 9 billion that sadam owes him)
sadistic hussein is a truly special case and UNITED "NATIONS"
as the name proposes should unite ppl of the world in freedom and peace and simply step in and take the lead (from america)
to rid the world,
of all the blood suckers on this planet and not just sadam.and
end tribalism because we are all earthlings, mr zahid.
he should be the first. i have a list of some more.
Thats what UN should do
Yes, my friend. I did ask the right question in right time with enough data to answer or at least to comment.Originally posted by SAMSAM
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Did u ask that question then my friend?
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Mr bush is a cowboy no question about that. he wants a war ....
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We are not going to judge who empowered/inspired .. .. etc. Iraq, what Iraq did to the world, what USA did to the world, what they are doing.
There is an authority to talk, do, work, decide, on it. That is UN. If you don't agree about it, I'm with you.
Actually so many times the concept of 5 veto power wanders me. Having nuclear arsenal to them wanders me as well.
Anyway, the question remains as it's previous shape.
Last edited by zahid; 03-09-2003 at 02:08 AM.
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>>I guess there will be a question on the existence of UN.
It looks grim. I hope it can survive. I think that there won't be a new resolution and the 'coalition of the willing' will invade Iraq.
Or the UN will cave in to pressure and will look (like Australia) as just a side-kick to the US hegemony.
Either way I hope that the UN can recover.
SAMSAM>>dateline 1984:
The gasing of Kurds you are talking about was in March 1988.
Now find out where he got the gas from. Aren't they (to some degree) responsible for the atrocity? No one is innocent in this area, Iraq, Iran, France, UK, or the US. They all participated in the poliferation of WMD in the Middle East.
>>as the name proposes should unite ppl of the world in freedom and peace and simply step in and take the lead (from america) to rid the world,
of all the blood suckers on this planet and not just sadam.and end tribalism because we are all earthlings, mr zahid.<<
Great. Lets do it.
One question. Who decides WHO is a blood sucker and who is a good guy who we can sell lots of WMD too?
Is it the US that decides?
Or the UN (which supposedly represents the world) that decides?
That seems to be the issue. Not IF Sadam should be disarmed.
But HOW.
Most people seem to think it should be done to the agenda decided upon by the UN (the world) not just the US.
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>>Most people seem to think it should be done to the agenda decided upon by the UN (the world) not just the US.
The UN cannot decide on anything, it takes the US to back the measure and when it doesn't it flops... Maybe u should think that that is why the US is the only "super power" we can and do spend the money and LEAD - it wouldn't bother me or other americans if someone else decided to foot the bill and take charge based on their contributions but they don't - instead they try to hijack while still counting on us to pay for their crap (FRENCH).
Just look at where the UN has acted with force - it has been an unprecedented FAILURE in all cases:
---In the early 90's the UN acted to get involved in BOSNIA - Herzogovenia, as a result 5000 men were "ethnically cleansed" under the noses and with the blessing of the UN forces. Also 370 UN peacekeepers were taken hostage and used as human sheilds - it took US air power, a sustained attack and a US brokered deal in Dayton to end the conflict to bring peace to bosnia.
---In '93-'94 the UN acted in SOMALIA and we all know how that turned out - they gave up.
---The UN acted in HAITI - that place is a SH** HOLE.
The list goes on, it actually took the US to put a stop to this stupidity of the UN by actually forcing out the General Secretary of the UN after the Bosnia conflict and refrain from further support of UN commanded actions like that in somalia.
The US is about common sense, and our common sense tells us that the UN is a monetary black hole, a poor investment, and an INCOMPETENT body.
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What a timing? Palestine issue got life again.
Lots of game in international politics<>
US-UK: No need further resolution of UN security council for war against Iraq.
Demonstration around the world: No war in Iraq
US-UK: Lets have a second resolution
FR-RU-CH: Waiting to Veto
US: Be afraid of us
UK: I need a resolution badly.
US-UK: Lets rephrase the text of the resolution
FR-RU-CH: Veto for any resolution allow war
CNN: Lets start our work
US-UK: Lets not submit for vote
FR-RU-CH: No resolution on Iraq (Safe for both)
Continue ...
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"The US is about common sense, and our common sense tells us that the UN is a monetary black hole, a poor investment, and an INCOMPETENT body."
Do you honestly believe that the world would be better off without the UN?
>>The US is about common sense, and our common sense tells us that the UN is a monetary black hole, a poor investment, and an INCOMPETENT body.
Let me amend this, this applies to the SECURITY COUNCIL which is a joke - there should be no such thing as a security council and in no way should it be part of the UN. The UN is setup to fail in any venture that requires action be taken - the interests of the nations especially those with vetoes renders INCOMPETENT the security council and thusly the UN.
As long as the UN has a security council the whole UN is suspect and is as weak as the council. The US is wasting it's time and money if the UN doesn't change to eliminate the security council.
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howdy,
I honestly believe the world would be a better place without the UN.
M.R.
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No, I know you were joking. My point still stands.
Very interesting opinion. Specially for me. Actually we were thinking about all those things for last 50 years.
But anyway, are they mature opinion?
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>I honestly believe the world would be a better place without the UN.
But don't forget that the UN is much more than just the security council. It is also is about human rights, supporting third world countries, fighting diseases like aids, supporting refugees, the children fund and all those things which don't have (directly) to do with military security. These are the thing about international solidarity, in his current world we can not without that.
I agree. The whole children helping, poverty fighting part is good, but the security council is just a bunch of beaurocrats who pass policies and then do virtually nothing to enforce them.
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