Thread: Should the US stop funding the Israeli military?

it truely galls(or in the reverse causes me to laugh out loud at it) me how little you all know about the world or politics or generally how stuff works and how it has to work, and yet you still feel confident to state an opinion that you would defend to the death.

Okay, well, then you obviously know a lot about the world and politics and how stuff works and how it has to work. If you didn't know a lot about the world and politics and how stuff works and how it has to work then you wouldn't know how little we know about the world and politics and how stuff works and how it has to work. You are obviously the solution to all of the world's problems so let's not keep the world waiting and have out with your brilliant suggestions already.

unfortunatly that includes me...heh.

Oh wait, so that means that if insulting 90% of the worlds population about not knowing how the world or politics or 'stuff' works and how it has to work includes you, then you don't really know enough about the world or politics and how stuff works or how it's supposed to work to know how little we know about how the world and politics and how stuff works, but yet you are confident enough to post a strong opinion about it? Wasn't posting strong opinions about something others don't know enough about what you were opposed to?

If I had to write a broadway musical about this, I'd call it recursive hypocrisy.

actually yea it kind of did lmao, i mean u can't really lamens term it any more then using it in an insult haha...

thats classic right there.

Well I wasn't really insulting him, just defending myself I guess because I was insulted about his post. I always try to remain neutral and not take too much of a bias either way so I can formulate realistic opinions, and I rarely let myself get insulted by things. This is a rare opportunity to see shad argue!
And actually I'm not going to argue anymore, because no one can
argue against my post But then again someone will argue with me on that

appearantly shadow you take things a might seriously.

>because no one can argue against my post

yes i can!!

>But then again someone will argue with me on that

your damn straight.

::edit:: is it just me or am i becomming a bit of a troll?

Originally posted by Shadow12345
Could you explain why? Why don't you take the Palestinian's side?

In fact most intelligent people are in Germany because they do things like invent lightbulbs that never burn out).

That's not bad... better than war. I cann't think of it, how in these days people love war. Here I dare to say that some people really love war.

ohh.. another thing.. recently we do not see much talk about human rights. once we have seen lots of talks & trade with it. But at least one good thing happened and that is people became more carefull and educated to listen and understand what world leaders really say in their saying.

Originally posted by Clyde
Yes, they should stop.

It seems exceedingly unethical to me, and it harms America: a large portion of the anti-US feeling in the Middle-East is due to the US backing of Israel.

Yes, they should stop.

I voted for Yes but did not say in my earlier reply.

The point raised by Clyde is how true can only be judged by the people who are not American and have access to outside world. I guess more than the majority of the Americans don't have access to the feeling of nonamericans even to the media of outside world.

Just observe every veto of US for Israel. Is that mean, US is the only country who is doing the right thing (in this case)? And 14 other country is hostile to Israel? Even observe every deny of resolutions passed by UN since 19.. (I don't know). What would happen if that is Iraq?

I expect comments from few of you.

Years ago I was searching for information, history, logic to make an opinion myself as Shadow is trying to do.

The U.S. vetoes U.N. resolutions that aren't in it's interests.
The Russians vertoed how many resolutions that weren't in their
interests? Blah, blah, blah. Who're the hypocrites here?

Politics is politics. Friends are friends, and enemies are enemies.
Christianity (as well as Islam) is rooted in Judaism. The U.S.
owes its origin to Christian pilgrims who came here and paved
the way for the nation we live in today. Thus, it should be
plainly evident that a nation that owes its roots to a religion
rooted in Judaism might consider a nation of Jews as its friend.
And being true to one's friends holds that a friend, especially
a big friend will stand up and defend its little friend from those,
like Hitler and others who would destroy it. And if some of you
don't understand that, then go bite yourseves, because you
can't change it.

Originally posted by minesweeper
>>Isreal has every right to exist on the boarders that it the UN set for it when it was created. It also has the right do to treates from the wars the suronding countries started to keep ocupied land until the countries who land it is admits that isreal has a right to exist. It has done this by giving egypt is land back.

Simply giving the rest of the land back that it occupies will not solve the problem as the terriost orginaztions want it off the map nothing less. The other problem lies in the fact the Palistine Goverment can not control the terorist orginaztions and thus an outside force would be need to control this orginaztions, perfubly though not the US or Isreal.

I however don't agree with a lot of Isreals recent decisions it's general history has been a lot better then Palisitne, Egypt, ect.<<

This debate isn't really about whether Israel has the right to exist or not. More about whether America should continue to supply it with arms when it's clear from the news broadcasts that it uses them to impose curfews (sp?) on the palestinians and even, for example in the case of Jenin, demolish entire towns of civillian property.

Israel does things to Palestinians that we would consider to be enormous breaches of basic human rights. So is it therefore ethical for America to supply it with the tools necessary to do so? That is the real question of this thread.

Sorry I cant be arsed reading the rest of this thread!

Minesweeper is on the right track about the real thread reasons.

I just need to know...If Israel had no more terrorist attacks would it stop the action........answer = yes.

Would the palestinians? Answer=NO

The land has been sorted by the UN. End of story.

So, the answer to the thread is NO, money should be still forthcoming until the terrorist attacks stop-thus there would be no need for arms money etc etc.

You may think this is a simplified solution, but all of you-COME ON-what year is this?! Think more carefully about your replies.

why does the U.S. send money to israels military?
because every country in the middle east wants ever jew dead. end of story. we support them so they dont get wiped of the face of the earth.

so the short answer is no, we shouldn't stop the funding.

well at least till the bigotry ends.

why does the U.S. send money to israels military?
because every country in the middle east wants ever jew dead. end of story. we support them so they dont get wiped of the face of the earth.

so the short answer is no, we shouldn't stop the funding.

well at least till the bigotry ends.

First of all I'll point out that I'm American. Secondly I'll point out that I'm Jewish, yes it comes in that order.

Now...This is the totally wrong reason for the US to support Isreael. The US can't be the world's police or the world's mother. It is not our government's place to defend every ethnic/religious group in the world outside of our boarder. However, I do think that the US should continue to support Israel for several reasons...I'm gonna name a couple quickly, but I'm sick so these are probably really easy to shoot down...

1. A stable and absolute ally in the middle east. this is very important since the middle east is such an important place to us economy.

2. mutual military and intel research/development. Israel and US have helped each other in this reguard. For example, anti-missle and tank technologies.

3. I don't feel well, I'm going to bed.