Well, I dont know where the universe ends or if it ends. But I do know one thing from all of my voyages into space. During voyage 749-A I came upon something very mysterious....
Here is a picture of what I discovered, maybe some of you can make out what it is....
It's the end of the universe....aaaaaaah!Here is a picture of what I discovered, maybe some of you can make out what it is....
Code:#include <cmath> #include <complex> bool euler_flip(bool value) { return std::pow ( std::complex<float>(std::exp(1.0)), std::complex<float>(0, 1) * std::complex<float>(std::atan(1.0) *(1 << (value + 2))) ).real() < 0; }
I think the universe will just lock up and it'll go over to a black screen a say 'FAT32 UNIVERSE FAILED, SYSTEM HALTED'
Just a thought.
edit: Although I actually just dont care if the universe ends... Whats the point in worrying? If its gonna end, theres nothing YOUR gonna do about it!
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>>what in the hell was 'there' before the big bang took place
Emptines. Nothing existed, even time (wierd huh?). There was olnly a tiny, tiny ball of magnificent energy, that was made of photons. Than one day it reached critical energy density and BANG!!! - now we have space time and matter.
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>>> what in the hell was 'there' before the big bang took place
Check out the "Membrane theory" I mentioned earlier. It describes the membrane multiverse in which our universe exists. Of course, this is just theory right now.
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read the book "A brief history of time", it's quite tough reading but it explains a lot of questions you may have.
i think what steven hawking said was something along these lines...
if the universe were infinate, that would mean there were an infinate number of stars, which would mean the sky would be infinately bright with the infinate amount of energy emitted by these stars, so the universe can't be infinate.
Tell me if I am wrong, but I think the laws of physics could easily disprove that statement.if the universe were infinate, that would mean there were an infinate number of stars, which would mean the sky would be infinately bright with the infinate amount of energy emitted by these stars, so the universe can't be infinate.
a magnificient ball of energy, eh? Well...that would be matter, wouldnt it? I do not think it would really be plausible for nothing to exist. Personally, I do not believe in the big bang theory, but for purposes of this post, let's just say it is true for now. If that tiny ball of magnificent energy existed, then matter existed.Emptines. Nothing existed, even time (wierd huh?). There was olnly a tiny, tiny ball of magnificent energy, that was made of photons. Than one day it reached critical energy density and BANG!!! - now we have space time and matter.
Nothing cannot exist. Just think about it. Our human minds are not able to comprehend nothing.
Imagine the universe in all of its glories. Look upon the galaxies, the planets, and the stars. A great site, isn't it? Then delete all of that and make space and empty nothingness. Kind of dreary, isn't it? But it is still possible. But then, begin to think of the impossible. Imagine the universe with bounds and limits. It cannot be comprehended by the human mind.
In my mind, when I think of the universe with bounds and limits, I look at it as a sphere, kind of like our Earth. And then outside the sphere of the universe is a great white expanse of nothingness. But wait....that cannot be....if our universe ended, would not existence cease to exist also once the boundaries were hit? Therefore...if our human minds imagine some great expanse of nothingness, then that must be something. Just emptyness, but still something. Therefore the universe could not have ended. But then, imagine the universe did not exist. In fact, go even further, imagine existence did not exist.
When you imagine that the universe does not exist, what do you see? Just a great white expanse of nothingness? What is this great white expanse of nothingness? A template for existence? An instance in which all other instances are created?
But then, imagine that great expanse cease to exist. Imagine existence ceases to exist. There is no such thing as existence. What do you imagine then? Is your mind hurting trying to imagine it? Do not say you imagine a great expanse of nothingness, because that cannot exist if existence ceases to exist. If there was no existence, there would not even be nothing. Nothing implies empty space...but space itself would cease existence...so not even nothing would exist.
But the point I am trying to make is...the universe cannot be comprehended by man. It goes on endlessly and continuously. There is no end to it. I find it hard to believe that one day you could hit some boundary to the universe.
I'm not a SPACE buff but I think the universe is ROUND - if you travel in a straight line you will eventually end up back where you started.
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"Nothing cannot exist. Just think about it. Our human minds are not able to comprehend nothing"
Our ability or inability to comprehend something does not limit it.
"Therefore...if our human minds imagine some great expanse of nothingness, then that must be something"
It is something, it's a model in our heads.
"But the point I am trying to make is...the universe cannot be comprehended by man. It goes on endlessly and continuously. There is no end to it. I find it hard to believe that one day you could hit some boundary to the universe."
Your reasoning seems false; we cannot model the universe accurately in our heads, that however does not limit the actual characteristics of the universe.
There is no logical impossibility with the universe having an end or a beginning, in space or in time (although for a beginning and an end to exist in space you would have to define a direction which would be somewhat arbitrary).
We couldn't imagine it as you have pointed out, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be.
It certainly seems odd to think of hitting a "wall", and i really don't find the idea terribly plausible, i'm sure i've read somewhere (probably Hawking) that you end up back where you started, in the same way that you can walk "straight" forwards on the Earth and end up back where you started. You have an analogous situation in 3 dimensions for the universe.
When I was doing A-Level physics I used to ponder over questions like this about the Big Bang and whether the universe has an end etc etc. And I used to think about all the little muons and taus and stuff randomly popping in and out of existence. Then I figured that it is all so mind blowing that my feeble brain would never be able to understand it. My advice, forget about it and wait for one of the superbrains like Stephen Hawking to figure it out. Then just buy the book he writes for lamen like you and I.
EDIT: That wasn't for Clyde, despite being after his post. He obviously knows far more than the average person and so probably wouldn't take kindly to being called a laman.
Last edited by minesweeper; 12-17-2002 at 06:01 PM.
the reason why we don't see nothing but the white of burning stars in the night sky is because some light hasn't even reached us yet past a certain point.
irrelevant:
in a LONG TIME the adromeda galaxy and the milky way are going to most likely colide, either flinging earth into two supermassive black holes or flinging earth out into empty space. (this is irrelevant, buti find it damn interesting)
The situation about why can't we see infinite stars is disproven by the fact that light diminishes with distance (shine a flashlight against the wall, back up and it gets dimmer[yeah, I know thats a kindergarten explanation, but its the best I got :P]), they mentioned it in the article also. Even if I am a layman I still like to think a bit dang it :P
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I could be wrong (been awhile since I've taken any physics) but I don't think light diminishes with distance, but instead disperses. A flashlight diminshes because the light is going in MANY directions from the source, so it gets spread out more and more the farther away you move. A straight laser beam that doesn't veer in any direction shot from billions of light years away will still reach us with the same intensity as it left with - ideally anyways!
Somebody back me up though, as I said I'm not sure
True, but the sun's rays by the time they reach earth are going in straight paths and no longer spreading well thats what I was told anyways
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