Thread: Cloning -- What do ya think?

>>stupid canadians

if canadians are stupid, and we are smarter then you, that what does that make you?

any way, back to the inportant discussion now. The word clonning has a lot of bad meaning to some ppl because the peple they listen to for what to believe is filling their head with ****. They are probably saying that cloning is bad because god doesn't like it because it's playing god because your making life out of nowhere in a dish in a lab. these ppl who say these kinds of crap have absolutely no scientific knowledge about reproduction. As long as there are idiots in high places where ppl listen to them, the myths about cloning will never go away. Just like the myths about bacteria about how they are all bad and you should you very powerful antibacterial soap to kill em all. And when these idiots are saying these crap to you, they make it look like they know everything there is to know and are all correct and the rest of the world is wrong.


these dumbasses make me so mad

>>lighten up douche bag, ever heard of a joke? sheesh, where did those things called sense of humors go

It is difficult to remove the 'humour' from the serious. You have made points in earnest that appear just a ridiculous as the ones you made in jest. It doesnt help that your grammar is confusing.

>>stupid canadians

Thats the immaturity I spoke of showing itself again.

>>this is one of the biggest points of cloning in the eyes of scientists

You're going to have to supply links then. I havent seen any evidence of anything credible moving in this direction. All I've heard are peoples baseless fears that this could happen.

excessive cloning = same genetic material replicated

evolution relies on ability for a species' genetic code to have unpredictable mutations, the mutations that provide some type of advantage and help that organism survive stay. so to tie my thoughts together cloning is kindof like anti evolution.

You're right. Using cloning as a method of reproduction would be a seriously flawed move. Its also highly unlikely as it is counter-productive, not to mention insanely expensive/involved. But theres no reason to think that things would ever head in that direction.

And to clear things up for some of the obviously confused: A clone is a normal human. You're going through the same process every other human being has, minus the sex. Bummer, eh? Theres no bubbling vats of magic-goo growing twisted mutant humans. We havent been very sucessful (not aware of any attempts actually), to replicate the womb.

>>If anything I think cloning the best of the best would make the human race stronger.

I cant see cloning replacing "current methods" . I see no reason why anyone would even consider this. I cant particularly see cloning in and of itself, being beneficial to the species directly, but I see genetic manipulation to be a very promising field. The altering/(creation!) of DNA is an oft misunderstood and underappreciated field by the uneducated public. We're looking at breakthroughs in quality of life and a higher understanding of what makes us tick.

>>If anything I think cloning the best of the best would make the human race stronger.

even if you clone bruce lee, it's not like that the guy will be born with his abilities...he has to learn just like anyother kid...so anyone can have lee's abilities with the proper stuff...

but I see genetic manipulation to be a very promising field. The altering/(creation!) of DNA is an oft misunderstood and underappreciated field by the uneducated public. We're looking at breakthroughs in quality of life and a higher understanding of what makes us tick.

A race of blue eyed , blond hair perfect humans. When I was born I spent a year in the hospital as a result of some problem I can't remember the name of. Looking back at it I would not have wanted some scientist to prevent me from having to had gone to the hospital for such a long period.

>>Looking back at it I wounn't have wanted some scientist to prevent me from having to had gone to the hospital

But if you;d never been through that trauma, would you have wished you had?

Would it really be so terrible to be born less suseptable to hundreds of diseases, including cancer, alzheimers, etc? Theres no guarantee or immunity, it would simply be removing the predisposition towards these diseases.

>>A race of blue eyed , blond hair perfect humans.

Why? ... and... What?

Originally posted by Commander
>>even if you clone bruce lee, it's not like that the guy will be born with his abilities...he has to learn just like anyother kid...so anyone can have lee's abilities with the proper stuff...
Originally posted by Eibro
Some people don't seem to get it. A clone is ONLY an exact copy of genetic material... you could grow up to be a completly different person than your clone if faced with different situations.

exactly my point, so what would be the purpose of human cloning, i understand the benefits of theraputic cloning but how does making a genetic copy of someone benefit society?

I think a distinction must be made between cloning humans and therapeautic cloning of cells.

Thereapeautic cloning of cells = good.

Human cloning...... hmm well i don't really know, i suspect that it will happen sooner or later because there are people out there who have money and would pay for a clone.

What effect will it have on human society? I don't think it will have a huge impact, even if it does become widespread and i'm not convinced it will (though it might) since clones are just identical twins separated in time, i don't see any fundamental changes happening.

"cloning has nothing to do with fixing old people. do you realize that humans are programmed to die. think about that, if we weren't programmed to die new healthy cells would be continually created from mitosis and our body structures would never fail. that means that somewhere in our dna is something that tells our bodies to stop or slow down generating healthy cells. if you cloned a person, that clon would get frail and weak at the same time as grandma, so you would be trying to put out fire with fire"

You are talking about telomeres, which limit the number of times cells can divide, that is your "programmed to die", but its not the be and end all of ageing, mice given telomerase (an enzyme which replace telomeres) did not actually live much longer than normal mice because they all got cancer.

The primary reason for the telomere clock is to stop cancer, if you let cells divide continually they will accumulate errors, increasing the likelyhood of cancer.

Now it is an interesting point to question the "age" of a clone who has been made from the cells of a 20 year old.

Is the clone 20 when he is born? Ie will he live 20 years less than a new born non-clone?

Well you could easily slap some telomerase in and reset the telomere clock, but you still have 20 years of dividing and hence 20 years accumulation of errors.

When i went to a lecture on ageing, they argued that ageing was primarily a result of increased errors in the genetic code resulting in more and more dodgey proteins. But there is a horrible problem with that: Children are not the same age as their parents!

If my cells have 20 years worth of errors in them, and that is what causes aging, how can it be that if i have a child, the child is not the same age as me? (I have not yet gotten a satisfactory answer to this question, we know that telomerase is active within the gametes, but that does not solve the problem of errors, perhaps the cells producing the eggs and sperm are formed when we are very young - though that would only seem to delay the problem, hmm).

The point remains that since we know that children are not the same age as their parents it follows that clones do not have to be the same age as their "parent", I think there are ageing problems with the current techniques, the last I heard Dolly was ageing more rapidly than a normal sheep, but there is no reason why such problems could not be solved in the future.

"A race of blue eyed , blond hair perfect humans.

Variety is the spice of life; you're not saying that you want to take out that spice, are you?"

i think that whole thing was a hitler reference?! ya know "the perfect race"

>Why? ... and... What?

Desiner kids, as a result of genetic minipulation. People already try and get the perfect kid by having the biological parents of the kid look like how they want.

Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
>Why? ... and... What?

Desiner kids, as a result of genetic minipulation. People already try and get the perfect kid by having the biological parents of the kid look like how they want.

that falls more in the catagory of genetics engineering then cloning