Thread: God

Again I am very mad at this stupid thing.. somehow I managed to hit the back button just before submitting my message, and it was lost forever.
I'll try to sum up some of what I had written:

to Clyde:
Man, I think you have just a little bit too much pride in your "Ability to think things out for yourself". Also, I think you might want to check your ears (hehe.. okay then, eyes..) because you didn't read what I wrote. I said, that I *was beggining to think* that you were one of those who didn't think for himself. Note that I *DID NOT SAY that you don't think for yourself!!!!!*
(that's what I would call making snap decisions, being offended easily, and generally opening your mouth b4 you think about it.. yes I may have been a little rude.. but your comments were uncalled for.)

to Solidarity:
Yes, unfortunately, it does seem that alot of churches these days (and all through history for that matter) claim to hold the bible as truth, and yet treat it as just some kind of guideline, not to be taken seriously or anything.
I also agree that, if you simply cannot find any faithful churches, it is probably much better to not attend those other (unfaithful) churches; however I'm sure it would be a good idea to try your best to find a faithful church

to joshdic:
did you read that article? just wondering as you didn't comment..



That's all for now; I really am too busy to be writing this at the moment (especially since I lost my long post... grrr.. )

>>somehow I managed to hit the back button just before submitting my message, and it was lost forever.

You do realise that directly opposing your browsers back button, there is a nifty little thing called a 'forward button'? Also, the back button on any browser I have seen to date, appears very disimular to the 'Submit Reply' button on the bottom of the reply page. No need to lose your posts from now on in then.

... Uhh... Carry on...

P.S. I hope everyone is reading these links that Clyde is supplying. I've checked some of them out myself, as its always nice to have additional references. They're quite accurate and specific.

Originally posted by lightatdawn

P.S. I hope everyone is reading these links that Clyde is supplying. I've checked some of them out myself, as its always nice to have additional references. They're quite accurate and specific.

Good god, man! It takes enough time just to read these posts and shake my head while muttering "Why, why?". There's no time to check out Clyde's links, and to be fair, I'd have to check out the nut's links as well. I've got kids, a wife, a job, school. Enough is enough!

Originally posted by Cobras2
to joshdic:
did you read that article? just wondering as you didn't comment..

First of all, my screen name is joshdick, not joshdic. You keep messing that up and it's kind of annoying me. And just in case you religous types are offended by my screen name, rest assured that it isn't what your dirty minds think it to be. joshdick are the first four and last four letters of my full name.

Now, on to your question. Yes, I read the article. No, I don't buy into it. Regardless, I still think it'd be much cooler for the Bible to have Pi to a few dozen decimal places.

Guesses made on the family lines in the bible. "

Just guesses eh? Why is it then that they are so certain of these mere 'guesses'?

"How to get from viewing a few events metaphically to
there not being a god?"

........ they are somewhat unrelated points, I was trying to point out that catholicism is anti-creationist yet you seem to be sympathetic to the creationist nonsense.

There is no evidence for God and everything about the universe points away from him. Not only that but there are multiple contradictions between the God described in the bible and the real world, (like how the world/life is anything but perfect) and there are real psychological/anthropological reasons explaining why religions and religous beliefs exist.

That is why there is no God.

Incidently how can it be that you take parts of the bible metaphorically and parts literally?

Why exactly is it that you take Noah's flood to be a metaphor and yet Jesus' ressurection to be literal?

Catholicism's acceptance of the metaphorical bible (atleast in part) is an example of science/education pushing back religion, making religious beliefs more and more vague and less and less powerfull.

"Problem was, the book spoke of the Piltdown man being true and when I pointed it out the teacher directed me politely towards the door"

You will have to enlighten me, what is the Piltdown man?

"I just think that if your going to be teaching the evolutionary practice at a school it should atleast be done with a recent book since it seems to keep changing"

Scientific fields are in constant flux; new evidence arrives, old evidence is seen in a new light, it is a great strength to be able to constantly re-evaluate your position, it is what makes science so powerfull.

"My life got back to where it was and I got depressed all over again (hoorah)."

Life without God does not have to be depressing! It's just that if you start out with a religious view point then what you place value in can run away from you as you move away from religion, it is simply a matter of placing value in different things.

I'm glad you are not depressed but i query whether religion was the answer, or even the true cause.

>You do realise that directly opposing your browsers back
>button, there is a nifty little thing called a 'forward button'? Also,
>the back button on any browser I have seen to date, appears
>very disimular to the 'Submit Reply' button on the bottom of the
>reply page. No need to lose your posts from now on in then.

lol... hehe.. also of course you'll notice that if you hit the back button while writing a post, and then hit thwe forward button, due to the dynamic nature of CGI, it erases your message and starts over again. (And yes, I learned that from experience, lol..)
Besides im not sure exactly how I did it, because I definately did not click the back button itself - I think I might have hit backspace while the edit window was not active (If I lost you, try it, it seems that backspace is a shortcut key for the back button or something in I.E. [i know.. ie sucks.. but i havent got around to using anything lese ])


to Clyde:

>Oh i'm proud, arrogant, egotistical, but my arrogance and pride is well founded.

I rest my case

>Indeed and you were concluding that based on my opinions,
>which run counter your own, thing is that you are the one who
>has been handed what to believe on a plate, taught not to
>question, you have opinions that are completely contrary to
>everything we know about the world.

No .. I was concluding that because your words match exactly with pretty much every other evolutionist I have ever talked to. The same arguments.. just with a couple prettier words. Now of course, you are going to say "Well.. maybe they're the same cause we're right!" However, strength in numbers does not apply to who is truly correct; it applies to who can make everyone else think they are correct.

>I suggest you do some thinking, there is no possible way that
>he universe is only 6000 years old.

Theere is no way it's older. I have done alot of thinking. I've even studied it a fair bit. And nothing makes as much sense as what it says in the bible. Twist it as you may; make things mroe complicated than they are; evolution just doesn't work, and besides, it's a belief, not science.


To joshdick:

>First of all, my screen name is joshdick, not joshdic. You keep
>messing that up and it's kind of annoying me. And just in case
>you religous types are offended by my screen name, rest
>assured that it isn't what your dirty minds think it to be. joshdick
>are the first four and last four letters of my full name.

Alright, I'm sorry; you're right, I judged you too quickly - I shouldn't have done that. Unfortunately it seems that there are many many people out there on the internet who come up with dirty names because they think it's fun. I'm sorry for thinking you were one of them without good reason.

To salvelinus:

>There's no time to check out Clyde's links, and to be fair, I'd
>have to check out the nut's links as well.

Umm lol.. you don't think Clyde is a religious nut too? He is.. his religion is commonly known as "Evolution", or, as Charles Darwin called it,
"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life." - see http://www.literature.org/authors/da.../preface.html,
or, as Satan said, "you will be like God" - see the Bible, Genesis 3:5.
According to the theory of evolution.. we're getting there! Don't worry, we don't need God.. someday we'll evolve and be just as good as he is! And we'll do it all by ourselves! We have a good reason to think that our pride, arrogance, egos, and arrogance and pride is well founded. (see Clyde - http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showt...369#post210369(have to scroll up a bit))