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"Had the Roman and Jewish officals shown off the body they would of done so durring Pentecost or when ever they disiples started to preach and ended right there."
1st off you need to READ what you write before you post it!
2nd Show me evidence that they didn't.
3rd Show me evidence they had access to the body, and that it wasn't chucked into some anonymous grave/mass grave (much like Mozarts was)
4th Show me evidence supporting your claim that it was such an issue to them.
So far all your arguments are from conjecture.
The tomb:
Point 1.
The Toledoth Jesu states that Jesus' tomb was empty and that it occurred by theft, is that good enough? The Toledoth Jesu is a Jewish writing. Now this is what the bible says:
And when they had assembled with the elders and counseled together, they gave a large sum of money to the soldiers, and said, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came by night and stole Him away while we were asleep.’ (NASB) Matt. 28:12-13
Point 2.
The discovers of the empty tomb was by woman. Now givin that you belive that they made the idea of the tomb being empty and in fact the entire tomb, you must also give a good reason woman were the first to have found the tomb, no offence to any one here, but there testomony was not considred worth any thing at the time.
I've covered points 1-3 and the reason is took so long is because well the emptyness of the tomb is not debated.
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So far all your arguments are from conjecture.
"Your suggesting that the Roman and Jewish officals showed the people the body and yet still belived that what some fisherman and a tax collector said"
Yes...... and?
"TAX COLLECECTORS AT THIS TIME WERE CONSEDIRED LESS CREATIBLE THEN A USED CAR SALESMAN OF TODAY"
........ did you miss my rebuttal of your "resurrection in New york today" argument? If someone tells you something nice, that doesn't actually seem too outlandish then people will believe it. Anyhow you have no idea about the situation at all, how many people would have spent a large amount of time with jesus, enough so they could recognise a fairly badly battered corpse? Especially when they are LOOKING not to believe it. All your arguments are based on conjecture.
Show me some E-V-D-E-N-C-E.
I don't know Jerusalem just so happens to be the center of the Jewish faith and it just so happens that on Passover and Pentecost people go there a lot of them.
Peters speach was a turning point in history, it was the anoncment that Jesus had risen from the dead. I don't know but I don't think that people would of convintiluy forgoten when the speech was made so that Luke could make it happen over Penticost.
If your going to debate that, you must prove it wrong.
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Oh I meant no disrespect, its just you said that they knew less than you, and..... well..... surely that makes them some kind of inanimate objects no?
I said they knew less then me in evolution.
Also drop the evolution debate, we have been through it already.
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......... are you dyslexic? - Serious question. From the looks of things you might be, if you haven't had it checked out, you should. You can get extra time on exams and special tuition to help with grammar, spelling, etc.
My spelling sucks, like kirmi's. I have been cheaked out and I do happen to have mental problems at least from what I've been told though I don't think I am considred dyslexic I forget what I have. As for extra time on my PSAT's I could of taken 1 and a half times as long as given but i did not because simply I didn't need it. (I can't tell you how I did becasue for some stupid reason I havn't gotten my results back). I also took a Practice Sat test after school in which was harder then the PSAT, and by the time 4th block comes around I'm normaly not into it as much as I am earler in the day. I scored a 1000 on that test.
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What kind of insane argument is this? You think because you are ignorant of the workings of science that makes it less valid?
The proof IS there for the average Joe IF he spends some time looking for it and getting explanations. Besides the fact that if its proof for scientists should be good enough for you!
Its like saying "Mechanics say my car runs because of combustion of hydrocarbons, well i don't know about such things so i'm gonna stick with my belief that it works using a giant gerbil that eats petrol"
I didn't say the science is made less valid. I simply stated there is a diffence between showing off a body, or photos of the earth,ect to simply claimng that the earth is a few billion years old.
As for your gerbal example, I want those people to pay for my engine because gerbals don't heat up that much.
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No..... there isn't because people accept that people who know vastly more about a topic than them a in a far more apt position to make conclusions based on it.
People believe planes fly because of pressure differences between the wings because scientists tell them so, people believe that illness is caused by bacteria and viruses because scientists tell them so, people believe that the stars are upteen zillion light years away because the scientists tell them so. Why? Because they know that the scientists know a heck of a lot more than they do. If they want more proof they go ask a scientist with an OPEN MIND, not looking to deliberately misunderstand.
Planes - wll they fly obviosly they are right
Bactera and viruses- well there are Vacinees and Cures for illnesses so hmm they seem to exist.
If two groups of people can explain something and both seem resonable at a glance and the one is the same as you have always belived peopel are going to go to the one that supports there belives.
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What the juice are you talking about now?
Funny do you know what that date is? If you can get the link to work as the site seems to be down cheak out the May 19 2000 article "What the columbine report didn't tell you," by Gavin DeBecker www.apbnews.com
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Incidently what about my examples of your "benevolent" God having people stoned to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath and condoning beating slaves? Hmmmmm forgot about those did you?
First off those rules only applied to those of the Jewish faith, and second Jesus condumed the Pharisees for obeying the tradions that the law created but missed the point of the laws meaning.
Second I find it funny you seemed to have missed that every 7 years that Slaves were to be freed, and depts are to be relesed.
Ask a biblical scholer questions you have, actuly have a very good reason for existing.
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Yea sorry, that would mean you actually had a valid case, my bad.... besides i didn't ask for every event, just some evidence that like supported that backbone of your arguments, like that jesus was actually buried in a tomb that was actually guarded by a load of soldiers, that the Romans were really hell bent on destroying Christianity at that time, that they didn't actually produce the body, etc. etc.
Lets see I proved the body, tomb. I have not found any evidence of there not being guards at the tomb nor any one claiming there were no guards. Now if a and b c events are proven true and given what the apposles did it is safe to assume they are not lying about there being guards. Also guads at a tomb such as the one jesus was in for the reason it was guared probly was not uncomen and therefor had no real historical value at the time, and would of ment death after peter proclamed that Christ had risen
Now I have yet to prove C
1. My history book in 8th grade when I learned about ancient rome claimed that the christians were proscocuted durring the first 300 years.
2. We have the roman fires that Nero blamed on Christians.
now why did rome and Pharisees so bent on killing the christians
1. The Pharisees have a lot as risk, this new religon dosn't include them and Jesus was not there bigest fan.
Romans
1. The comman belif at this time is that the Messiah would over throw the Roman Empire. (and it in a funny way Jesus did)
2. In order to win Wars people needed to pray to the Roman Gods, Christians did not. Jewdisum has protection and was allowed to not pray, Christians had no such protection.