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    Sentaku..... i don't think you understand the points I make.

    "There the first one is a collection of them and the other is a book with over 200 of them with there meanings. Now you guys won't think that everything in the Bible is a figure of speach."

    As has been pointed out many many times, just because something is written down does not make it true.

    You do understand that most Christians do not believe genesis to be a literal translation right? Some do, some don't. Some believe it is figurative use of language, IE. that its not meant to be taken literally.

    Many infact believe genesis should not be taken literally or Noah or most of the old testament, you on the other hand do think that those things should be taken literally, the flat Earthers believe the references to the four corners of the Earth should be taken literally, you do not.

    Do you see what i'm getting at here?

    The ONLY reason you believe the reference to the four corners of the Earth is NOT meant literally is because you know the Earth is not flat!

    "Ok, in 2000 years who will still belive it? and Hillebille said it best"

    You know, what you're saying, or what you seem to be implying is the same "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence argument" AGAIN:

    What you seem to be saying is that we should believe that God does exist, because he might do, and if he did and he visited us 2000 years ago then the evidence today would be poor. Its the same argument I and others have refuted a hundred times.

    "Remove religion, and science will still be held back"

    ....... yes..... but not half as much. Which is my point. Its like saying: "remove heart disease, and people will still die" - whats the point?

    "Second science it self is constently held back by it's own belifs from places that dont' exist and up doing so, to animals that are belived to be extinced that are not"

    What the hell are you talking about?

    "Compare it to a computer, were programers not brain surgeons."

    Ok.......


    "From your reasoning a hummon AI does not seem to complicate"

    What? That's not a logical conclusion, do these thoughts just pop into your head? What possible reason do you have for suggesting that I do not think human intelligence is overly complicated? I think understand the human brain fully will probably be one of the LAST things uncovered in humanities search for understanding, because it is THAT complicated, in fact its so complicated that we may NEVER fully understand it.

    When an evolutionary approach was takem to electronics (the components were simulated on a PC and some sort of genetic like algorythm was used to to test various set ups in terms of clock function - actually im not sure if it was simulated, they may have used computers to actually build circuits then chosen those with better clock functions), a clock circuit was produced that kept good time but used far less components than your normal circuit. When electronics engineers came to look at the circuit they did not understand how it was working, now that was a while ago, the probably have sussed it by now. BUT that was just a clock circuit! Consiting of maybe a dozen different components, that was probably produced in 50 or so iterations! Compare that to the human brain!

    "for the most part it would have to be able to simply mimic what someone else does, and not be able to hit anything, both of these have been done."

    What are you talking about now?

    "The problem with AI is making a choice witch science seems to be able to show how a choose is made "

    *Searches for meaning*................. *finds nothing*.
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    Wow, this thing is still going on? How do you guys have the strength? I'm such a weakling...

    >If people weren't indocrinated and were well educated in science, then no one would believe in religion.<

    You know, before I die I would like to become as well educated in science as I can. So then I might be able to see if that very, VERY bold statement holds up. I don't think it will, but who knows... (BTW, I'm serious about the learning science bit; there's no sarcasm in this post.)

    >and Hillebille said it best<

    Assuming that's supposed to be "Hillbillie" what exactly did I say best?

    BTW, what exactly is this debate on at the moment? I'm seeing stuff about AI and God and evolution...I think I even saw something about floating pink elephants again...

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    Christians who believe human embryos only 7 days old have souls, greatly supress stem cell research that has great medical implications.
    The researchers are sick. They are putting
    there own longevity ahead of their morals. The argument
    that your morals are caused by evolution or society is moot.
    I have seen a pregnant womens reaction to accidently seeing
    anti-abortion fotos.

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    the truth of nothing??? im not sure i quite understand that

    meaning, if youre educated in science you'll know nothing?? (wow im dumb lol)

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    >>thus concluding the entire must be

    No. You're making things up again. I concluded that the entire might be. Read what Clyde has to say about it again. I dont feel like repeating both him and myself... again...

    >>The researchers are sick.

    Hmm. Opinion. Not mine, but you're welcome to have it I suppose. You wouldn't want to clarify on that a bit more, would you? Do you understand what a stem cell is? It sure ain't breathin' or thinkin', I can tell you that much.

    >>what exactly is this debate on at the moment? I'm seeing stuff about AI and God and evolution

    We dont know anymore. I say something and someone responds with something vaguley related, followed promptly by something horribly un-related. e.g. "And move further and further away from the Truth of Nothing."
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    waaaaaaaaaaaaaw

    it will take me untill next year to finish reading this thread ... but I like the way that we have different ideas about the existing of God...

    I have a lot of things to share with you in this field , but I will write it after I read all the replays above.

    But I would like to say: " it is up to the human himself to believe if there is a god or not, even God can't force you to do so. (if he is a real god.)"

    it is about philosophy, and I love philosophy as I love C++.

    Thanx for the thread.
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    Hmm. Opinion. Not mine, but you're welcome to have it I suppose. You wouldn't want to clarify on that a bit more, would you? Do you understand what a stem cell is? It sure ain't breathin' or thinkin', I can tell you that much.
    It is completly disrespectful to human life and most importantly
    the process from which it is formed.

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    i agree, but maybe if only 1 baby was "sacrificed" we could use our wonderful cloning technology to clone the cells and would never have to do it again. Although nick i do agree w/you, it is imoral!
    guns dont kill people, abortion clinics kill people.

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    NICK>>The researchers are sick. They are putting
    there own longevity ahead of their morals. The argument
    that your morals are caused by evolution or society is moot.
    I have seen a pregnant womens reaction to accidently seeing
    anti-abortion fotos.<<



    Using stem cells from non viable invitro fertilsation is immoral? Why? The embryos would be wasted otherwise.

    Forcing a woman to have a baby she does not want is immoral and draconian.

    Take a quick look at the laws in Ireland where a teenage girl, who had been raped, had to go to England have an illegal abortion, after she was refused one in Ireland.

    I am (obviously) pro CHOICE. It is not your, the government or my right to decide. It is up to the mother / parents to decide if they will care for this child for the rest of their lives. trying to force them to do so is irresponsible and naieve.

    Everybody has a right to a life, I just happen to think children who make a mistake (and get some girl pregnant) have more right to that life than the fetus.
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    >>We are human beings and to share our fear we make an imaginary entity and name it god ,alha, jesus or whatever ...<<

    Just wanted to take issue with the original post. Jesus Christ was a living person - Roman prison records prove it. There is an excellent BBC series called "Son of God" (I think that's the title, it was on a while ago now) which goes through and points out that he was real, and he did go to the places he did. They even did a thing on what he might have actually looked like (not the typical beard and long hair as a lot of artists have portrayed). Although it doesn't really touch on his religious teachings, it does provide a good insight into the times in which he lived.

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    >It is completly disrespectful to human life and most importantly
    the process from which it is formed.

    How is using stem cells that would otherwise be discarded "disrespectful to human life"? What I think is disrespectful is refusing to do research in a field that could one day give those that are currently living the ability to walk again, have that life-saving heart transplant, have an endless supply of tailor-made blood marrow, ... the possibilities are endless... all because some think a few cells... no more alive than the lettuce you eat in your salad... are worth more than the lives of those currently living! This to me is unforgivably disrespectful to human life!
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    >>Using stem cells from non viable invitro fertilsation is immoral? Why? The embryos would be wasted otherwise.<<

    I would rather see them used for research than be discarded without second thought. I suppose you could look at the issue that God created us in his own image, thus now we have become creators of life.

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    They even did a thing on what he might have actually looked like (not the typical beard and long hair as a lot of artists have portrayed).
    There is also some evidence that he was black, or at least more the color that we consider middle easteners today. That was the prodominate color in the middle east at that time after all. =And hthere was even more change with africa then.

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    Well, the Rastafarians claim that Christian churches and preachers have ingnored the Scriptures, thus having concealed the the fact that Adam and Jesus were "black".

    The CG sculpture they created to me looked realistic enough. It was based upon a skull of a man of about Jesus' time. His nose was very pronounced, he had a wide forehead, short cropped dark hair, dark olive complexion. Not what you would call the most handsome man in the world, but not ugly either. They say that Jesus probably looked fairly similar in terms of complexion and grooming.

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    Using stem cells from non viable invitro fertilsation is immoral? Why? The embryos would be wasted otherwise.
    How do they get the embryos?
    I find it distasteful that they are expermenting
    on human life or on the process of how humans are born.
    And there is a big maybe that their research will enable science
    to kill deseases and that they will stop at the embryo.

    Forcing a woman to have a baby she does not want is immoral and draconian.
    The father of the baby does not matter. This is like saying
    it's wrong to kill family members but outside of your family
    it's right. If she cannot afford child care there are adoption agencies. Only when birth would cause death to the mother
    should abortion be performed.

    Everybody has a right to a life, I just happen to think children who make a mistake (and get some girl pregnant) have more right to that life than the fetus.
    No one ultimatly decides what their position in life is.

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