Thread: God

"I misspelled evolution.
Lack of responsibility is worse than lack of evidence"

What on Earth are you talking about?

Gotcha... Slaughter and sacrifice can so easily be misleading. And here I thought all that stuff was bad! What was I thinking?

Sacrifices to god were done for protection from sin.
Genesis mentions how god made garments of animal skin for adam and eve.

It all comes back to my previous statement: If you have no counter argument, stop responding instead with unrelated nonsense!

No, just stuft you agree with right?

Wipe out all the life on Earth bar Noah's family and a few other animals

Mercy killing.

sadistically make Issac think he's got to sacrifice his son.

In order to test him and show abrahams absoulte obidience
to god.

What on Earth are you talking about?

When I said I have no blood on my genes, I'm making the
connection to the blood on the hands. Substition of fate
instead of evidence.

"Mercy killing."

............... you're insane.

"In order to test him and show abrahams absoulte obidience
to god."

God doesn't need to test him, God ALREADY KNOWS he would pass the test, so he just put him through it for kicks.

Anyway what about the quotes huh?

Translational problems?

Lets see:

New International Version:

"The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death
32 While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses. "

New American Standard Bible

"Sabbath-breaking Punished

32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man (1) gathering wood on the sabbath day.
33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation;
34 and they put him in custody (2) because it had not been declared what should be done to him.
35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall surely be put to death; (3) all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."
36 So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the LORD had commanded Moses. "

Amplified Bible

"32While the Israelites were in the wilderness, they found a man who was gathering sticks on the Sabbath day.
33Those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation.
34They put him in custody, because it was not certain or clear what should be done to him.
35And the Lord said to Moses, The man shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36And all the congregation brought him without the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the Lord commanded Moses."


New Living Translation

"Penalty for Breaking the Sabbath

32One day while the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they caught a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33He was apprehended and taken before Moses, Aaron, and the rest of the community. 34They held him in custody because they did not know what to do with him. 35Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must be put to death! The whole community must stone him outside the camp." 36So the whole community took the man outside the camp and stoned him to death, just as the LORD had commanded Moses."

King James Version

"32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses"

English Standard Version

"A Sabbathbreaker Executed

32While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. 34They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. 35And the LORD said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." 36And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses."

Contemporary English Version

"A Man Put to Death for Gathering Firewood on the Sabbath
32Once, while the Israelites were traveling through the desert, a man was caught gathering firewood on the Sabbath. [1] 33He was taken to Moses, Aaron, and the rest of the community. 34But no one knew what to do with him, so he was not allowed to leave. 35Then the LORD said to Moses, " Tell the people to take that man outside the camp and stone him to death!" 36So he was killed, just as the LORD had commanded Moses. "

New King James Version

"Penalty for Violating the Sabbath
(1) 32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." 36So, as the LORD commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. "

21st Century King James Version

"32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man who gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day.
33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him under guard, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the LORD said unto Moses, "The man shall be surely put to death. All the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."
36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died, as the LORD commanded Moses."

American Standard Version

"32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it had not been declared what should be done to him.
35 And Jehovah said unto Moses, The man shall surely be put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him to death with stones; as Jehovah commanded Moses."

Young's Literal Translation

"32 And the sons of Israel are in the wilderness, and they find a man gathering wood on the sabbath-day,
33 and those finding him gathering wood bring him near unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto all the company,
34 and they place him in ward, for it [is] not explained what is [to be] done to him.
35 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `The man is certainly put to death, all the company stoning him with stones, at the outside of the camp.'
36 And all the company bring him out unto the outside of the camp, and stone him with stones, and he dieth, as Jehovah hath commanded Moses."

Darby Translation

"32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness they found a man gathering sticks on the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to the whole assembly.
34 And they put him in custody, for it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And Jehovah said to Moses, The man shall certainly be put to death: the whole assembly shall stone him with stones outside the camp.
36 And the whole assembly led him outside the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died, as Jehovah had commanded Moses."

New International Version - UK

"The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death

32While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day.
33Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly,
34and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him.
35Then the LORD said to Moses, The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.
36So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses."


Lets see how you're going to worm your way out of this one.

"When I said I have no blood on my genes, I'm making the
connection to the blood on the hands. Substition of fate
instead of evidence."

You do realise that makes no sense right?

You do realise that makes no sense right?

It makes sense to me but I said it more as a joke
rather than prove a point. You were supposed to get
it since in previous post I said something to the effect
of "if that's going to be your excuse to a crime..."

God doesn't need to test him, God ALREADY KNOWS he would pass the test, so he just put him through it for kicks.

Freewill but also show us how to obey god. Look at the
new testament and where jesus is tempted.


The man who was stoned was probably disobeying
god on purpose. Once the rules have been set, they
must follow them. Death is not
absolute punishment though.

really hope there are people reading this stuff....... God kills man for picking up sticks, but no no hes entirely benevolent......... not small minded......... not petty......... not egotistical in the EXTREME...... no no, none of that.

God must follow what he says. When he says that you
must surely die, you will surely die. Benevolent must also
mean telling the truth.

And that answers the question....... how? God ALREADY KNEW Issac would pass the test, he already knew he was honorable/obedient/good/etc. but he put him through it anyway for kicks.

Abraham could have disobeyed god. It is example of absolute
obediance to god. We also do not know what God knows.
I think that our freewill means that god doesn't know what
we are going to do.

And why _were_ sacrifices done for protection, and not now? God change his mind? That would be difficult seeing as how he wouldnt have recieved any new information, seeing as how he already knows everything.

The actual history of this probably goes back to when israel
lost the ark of the convenment. This is where they performed sacrafices. God does not change his mind but our times are different just as Adam's time, Moses time, and jesus's time are different.

He could have, you mean God wouldnt have known that before he did it? Oh right i SEE, sorry i thought God was all-knowing, my bad. LOL like I said internally inconsistent, God is said to be all-knowing yet there are things he does not know.

Someone all powerful can choose not to know. This whole
argument assumes god's knowledge is like ours.

I wish. I used to get amused, now I'm just disgusted.

I probably shouldn't have gotten into this but it seems
that Clyde is using falsehoods about christianity to prove
that there is no god. Actual arguments against the existance
of god cannot use contradictions about christianity or any other
religion.

I will get back on the slaverly issue but much more can be
said of the jewish exodus from egypt.

This test involved killing his own son, which was apparently ok with Abraham. In other words, Abraham believed killing innocents was ok if justified by god. Does that ring any bells in contemorary circumstances?

Abraham didn't kill his own son. God sent an angle to stop him.
My point is that we have freewill and this somehow means
that God as chosen not to know what our actions will be.