Thread: Hello World in C#

Microsoft will eliminate pirated software. We will begin to see this plan come to fruitation very soon because all the groundwork is set. This will be a big blow to Linux and a boon to Microsoft and its relationship with corporations seeking copyright security

Money doesn't matter to Linux in general. People developing for it don't really care about pirated software on other platforms. It does matter, however, to computer users in general. If pirating was totally elimenated tomarrow, I am sure a lot of people would switch to Linux, where they can still get virtually everthing for free. That said, stopping all piracy is imposssible, and forced registration (and re-registration, if you change a moderate amount of hardware), will probably make Linux grow more as well.

Corporatons will not produce products for Linux if all of their return will be squandered by software pirates. While a choice exists to have their investments protected they will choose to do so.

.NET security goes way beyond mere registration.

>its bogus C# is just another Java...

No. C# seems to be what Java should have been.
Java is a platform independent crappy language.
C# could be a platform independent really nice language.

C# will not replace C/C++. It will replace VB and Java
for applications ( not applets though ).

The more I learn of C#, the more I see it's
good design. The more I learn of Java, the more
I see that my personal prejudices were way too
good.

Microsoft hasn't released anything yet. Sure there is a Beta2, but their new products are still being worked on. In terms of games, they now will have X-BOX. I think MS will do just fine in the graphics department. Remember I64 is comming out in November. The literature on I64 says that it will help programmers who want to use 3d graphics. We'll have to see how DirectX handles that.

AS good as microsoft may seem to be to you, you'll be finding that as new technology comes Linux will be the early adopter more and more often.

It already supports the IA-64 architecture thanks to Intel's support, and since AMD has caught on and decided to help support porting we'll see Linux on the Sledgehammer platform any time now.

Linux really will have more time to take advantage of the features of these platforms and come the MS release(s), we'll get to see whether or not they have done as good an optimizing job.

Originally posted by SilentStrike


Money doesn't matter to Linux in general. People developing for it don't really care about pirated software on other platforms. It does matter, however, to computer users in general. If pirating was totally elimenated tomarrow, I am sure a lot of people would switch to Linux, where they can still get virtually everthing for free. That said, stopping all piracy is imposssible, and forced registration (and re-registration, if you change a moderate amount of hardware), will probably make Linux grow more as well.

This is jumping back in the thread just a bit-- but this is totally true.

Much of the MS popularity is based on 2 items- they build decent products and (I think more importantly) everyone uses their stuff. Who doesn't have Word or Excel? Not too many people. This is especially true in the business world.

The main reason that everyone has this software is because it is so easy to copy and distribute. I cannot wait for MS to finally eliminate pirated software.
When people begin to realize what the stuff actually costs- they will begin to look for alternatives. This is the normal way of doing things. You don't like what something costs- you look for something that works just as well and doesn't cost as much.

This is already happing at the Federal, State and local Government level.(worldwide) They are moving to Open Source because they cannot afford to go w/MS and be legal.

Clamping down on piracy is the best thing microsoft could ever do for the open source movement.

Microsoft will eliminate pirated software. We will begin to see this plan come to fruitation very soon because all the groundwork is set. This will be a big blow to Linux and a boon to Microsoft and its relationship with corporations seeking copyright security. New industries will fund initiatives to support .NET and software will become a service.

Even if MS does eliminate pirated software (an nigh-impossible task), how is this a blow to Linux? Software piracy only hurts companies that charge for their product, so Linux really isn't affected by it. As for software becoming a service - the day MS charges me monthly fees for Office is the day I switch to Linux. Likewise, the day I have to call Redmond and defend my right to upgrade MY hardware without purchasing a new operating system, is the day I forsake MS for good.

Actually, no-one, a hacker, by definition, is anyone who writes code (esp. obsessively)... 99% of the people here can be termed "hackers". The people you're talking about who write cracks are "crackers", not hackers.

True crackers will write code to steal Windows and other software. True hackers write the code in the first place. Sure, a cracker can go through with a hex editor or something and edit a few lines of code to get rid of the copy protection, but a hacker is the person that put those thousands and thousands (millions, in MS's case) of lines of code there in the first place.

Sure, you might think I've just changed my opinion within 5 minutes, but that's not true. I don't like MS's ideas about software subscriptions and the "feature" that keeps track of your hardware changes, but I respect the hell out of their programmers. You might say they produce lousy, bug-ridden code, but I challenge you to try to coordinate a job with that many people and get it to work at all, much less get it to work bug-free.

Everyone here makes mistakes in their code. Just the other day, gamegod made the simple error of forgetting a couple of chicken lips in his code. He's far from a programming genius or anything, but he's also far from being some clueless newbie. He writes good stuff, but just forgot a little detail. Now, magnify his couple hundred line program with one the size of Windows, factor in all the people writing it, and it's a miracle anything they write works, especially as well as it does.

Also, no-one, if you're going to continue to criticize everything MS does, stop using their products! Nobody's forcing you to, except for your own laziness and unwillingness to learn a new OS.

Originally posted by no-one
i disagree MS does not make decent software while it works (technecally speaking) its is not stable or quality...

>Who doesn't have Word or Excel? Not too many
people.

count me among them i don't even have it installed...hehe...

Why poeple use MS products is beacuse YOU CANNOT BUY A COMPUTER WITH LINUX PREINSTALLED alomst anywhere

Linux is not sold on computers because not enough people want them that way. That is why compaq has stopped offering Linux preinstalled- lack of demand. In fact if you want I can probably dig up a link on that.

I like linux but I don't think that it will ever have a large prescence on the desktop in anything resembling its current form.

It kicks but on servers and in embedded stuff but on the desktop it isn't doing well. It's way too much work for the average user.

My main point though- is that the more aggressive Microsoft gets on keeping people from pirating software, the harder people will look elsewhere.

This is great for what you want- options. The tighter MS squeezes, the more that slips through their fingers.

And my final thought- cracking and stealing software is not something to be glad about. If you like stuff to be free, use software that was meant to be free.
If someone works hard to write code and doesn't want to give it away, don't steal it from them.

And I'm reading ahead- but Govtcheez is write about the hacker/cracker deal.


And now I see that you are under a lot of stress. Well- take it easy. This stuff is nothing to get stressed about, that is for sure.