Clinton.

**Fountain** · 07-02-2002

oh, man...did you say you werent a republican but a conservative? Jesus, I am in Britain...and the LAST thing any country needs right now is conservatives...............

Yes, the last post was correct, you will see NO monsoons you frigging loony, but the melting of the ICE is far worse. However I live in NW England so I am ok-London will sink but not me!

OH the Clinton thing- I saw one post saying they would have trusted him more if he had kept his dick in his pants? MAN that is garbage- IT IS THE OTHER WAY ROUND! OF course its better to trust a man that likes a BJ etc etc - he is just like YOU!

Now, im not saying he didnt shag up some of the good things you had going, but HEY...He did ok-good enough for me.......

Isn't this new Bush bloke always taking backhanders etc from Texans or something-like with energy or something-this kyoto thing?

better to enjoy the women than be a crook

**Fordy** · 07-02-2002

Originally posted by Fountain
oh, man...did you say you werent a republican but a conservative? Jesus, I am in Britain...and the LAST thing any country needs right now is conservatives...............

Not wishing to enter into a political argument, do you really think the people running the UK government today are any less conservative than the last Tory government.......LOL....they aint socialists...thats for sure

**Clyde** · 07-02-2002

" If you are a liberal or a socialist, then by defacto standard you are a terrorist"

A rediculous statement.

"Liberals have child-like thought processes, not hindered by reality or the hard facts of life. Or perhaps you're socialistic swine."

*Bursts out laughing*

"In the first place, real scientific proof has been delivered (and ignored by tree huggers) that proves the ozone isn't being hurt"

A false statment.

"Ozone (O3) is created primarily from UV rays striking the upper atmosphere. More Ozone is created everyday than all of man's technology can eliminate"

An ignorant statement

"If the earth were really warming, ocean water would evaporate at a greater rate, creating monsoons everywhere, all the time"

A fantastically ignorant statement.

Perhaps you should stick to talking about topics you have a clue about, no?

**Fountain** · 07-02-2002

Not wishing to enter into a political argument, do you really think the people running the UK government today are any less conservative than the last Tory government.......LOL....they aint socialists...thats for sure

And if Fordy thinks they are pure bred ignorant tory sh**e he is being silly..

Not wanting to enter into political arguments either.......NB...bows down to Fordy...........but Blair != Thatcher

Unregistered · 07-02-2002

clinton was a loser and bush is no better face it all your politicians suck...

**Mario** · 07-02-2002

I'll add a bit more...

>> If you are a liberal or a socialist, then by defacto standard you are a terrorist

Then you'll have to arrest 48% of the US population, even before your president starts to think on what to do about Saddam. But irony aside, you should know that a whole doesn't make a part. If all terrorists were socialists or liberals, a liberal or socialist wouldn't necessarly be a terrorist. Logic is a good thing on a programming forum.

>> Liberals have child-like thought processes, not hindered by reality or the hard facts of life. Or perhaps you're socialistic swine

As a matter of fact i'm neither. I'm an anarquist. Believe it or not. I don't believe in democracy, or any other type of political system, as a means to constitute a country.

>> Carter was the worst joke this country ever knew. He alone is responsible for the Deficit being what it is today.

The deficit was mainly due to the fact that Carter was the responsible for the end of US oil speculation. He banned the practice of holding petroleum prices far below that of world levels... this basically ended his career. For those who were already on this world at that time you will probably never forget the huge lines on gas pumps. But it also established a new world order in oil prices that benefited US ever since... no president after Carter ever dared to revert this price decontrol law he introduced.

Carter also was the man behind Camp David acords, the treaty with China and the Panama canal treaties... you seem to either have a very limited knowledge of your own country history, or a very single-minded one. Sorry.

**Hillbillie** · 07-02-2002

Wow, I actually agree with Clyde for once. Should I worry?

>clinton was a loser and bush is no better face it all your politicians suck...<

Sad, but correct...

>I hate that this keeps being brought up - you think he was the first president to have an affair? He's just the only one to get caught. I'm not defending him - what he did was wrong and gross (I mean, sure you're a pasty white dude, but you're the President - you should be able to get better chicks than Monia), but I think it's really weak that the first thing out of so many people's mouths when they criticize Clinton is "He had an affair!"<

Preach on, Rev. Cheez!

Not to mention that him getting a BJ has nothing to do with his professional life. Who gives a **** if he cheated on his wife? That's their business...

**ygfperson** · 07-02-2002

Actually yes, we should be. The Kyoto Protocol is based on the premise of global warming being a man made issue-- what a joke. In the first place, real scientific proof has been delivered (and ignored by tree huggers) that proves the ozone isn't being hurt,

proof from the Limbaugh Letter?

and secondly, America is far cleaner than any other country out there.

what about canada?

Try working with facts for a change instead of perceptions.

i was just thinking that.

- Ozone (O3) is created primarily from UV rays striking the upper atmosphere. More Ozone is created everyday than all of man's technology can eliminate.

if this is true, then why isn't the planet filled with ozone? ozone is created daily, true. the banning of cfc products will eventually help nature fix itself. this isn't a big issue now, and there's not a whole lot we can do about it. it's important to acknowledge that we have depleted ozone in the upper atmosphere. we don't want to make the same mistake twice.

- If the earth were really warming, ocean water would evaporate at a greater rate, creating monsoons everywhere, all the time.

i don't think this is possible. we're not talking about a +100 F rise in temperatures, though. a gradual amount will do. ice is melted, oceans rise, and the general climates change.

The "global warming" issue was a dream-up to help government gain more power and financial clout.

which government? this is a global problem. besides, bush rejected the idea until recently. the benefitters would be... who?

If you want to research the truth to your satisfaction, then I suggest you surf google.

i think i'll stick to scientific american

I mean, the only reason global warming is touted at all is because it was something the media could grab onto without having to listen to reason.

i'll agree with this. it doesn't make it any less dangerous, though.

A perfect example of this is medical science and stomach ulcers. It has been scientifically proven that stomach ulcers are the result of a virus.

some ulcers are viral. some are from stress. some are from the food you eat. you can't limit a fairly broad idea like an ulcer to one cause.

And can be completely cured with one proper treatment.

lemme guess: a hunger strike?

But I bet your doctor won't tell you that if you go to get treated for one.

i'm not sure where you're going with this. there is no conspiracy to deny people ulcer treatments.

Apparently not-- you must be in the $13/hour range. I suggest you take your paystub and peak at the rate. I know that I (in the low-middle class white collar) pay 37% federal (income, fica, soc-sec) and atleast 12% state.-- Gee 37+12 = 49%.

what state?
yes, i know taxes take a big bite of your salary. we aren't in kansas anymore, toto. we have grown from an isolated frontier country to the world's superpower.

You know, all you really have to do is follow the money trail. I didn't say I was a Republican. I said I was a conservative. Most politicians are alike. Greedy. The fact that politicians are not subject to the same laws you and I are is an interesting fact few people know.

true. the constitution states that congressmen and women can't be arrested for minor crimes, like speeding. however, Congress as a whole can censure a member for doing that. they are still liable for the bigger crimes, though.

That's right. You are a class B citizen (as am I). Although our society wasn't supposed to have social classes. A police officer, and an attorney and a doctor are examples of class 'A' citizens. Did you ever wonder why they are legally required to always use their title? An attorney is Esquire, etc.

where did you get this?

getting back to the clinton topic...
i thought he was a great president. his affairs (pun intended) don't matter. it's the results. he didn't hurt the economy with his tax increases. he oversaw the first balanced budgets in 40 years. (in contrast, reagan and bush sr. quadrupled it). he survived impeachment with higher approval ratings than before.

i know some of the above can be attributed to the predominately republican congress. but in the end both sides restricted each other's attempts for the good of the nation. clinton learned this and preached as a moderate in his later years. if only more presidents could be like that.

**Mario** · 07-02-2002

>>>> If the earth were really warming, ocean water would evaporate at a greater rate, creating monsoons everywhere, all the time.
>> i don't think this is possible.

It's not. Global Warming affects the land masses way more than it affects the ocean. Like you said it would take a much higher rise in temperatures for the effects to be noticeable over water. Polar ice constitutes a land mass for all that matters to climate physics. That's why the melting we have seen is a direct effect of the global warming.

**no-one** · 07-02-2002

how many ways can i say GO SAYEH! Hit the nail on the head!

the segregation of classes is happening in america, nobody sees this.

btw: more polution and global warming(which btw is a myth) is cause by a single volcano erruption than man can cause in 1000 years at his worst level... so shut it. that means we got another 970 years of waste!!

99.9999% of global warming effect can be attributed to solar changes or don't exist at all, you cannot take one friggen hot year and say its global warming! wtf is that about.

>Sayeh, I respect your opinion and all, but guess what, we NEED taxes.

yes but not that much, about 40% of our tax money is squandered, or stolen or wasted or given away to people that will use it to kill us, and thats a lot. secondly anything but a flat tax is unfair. i work for the money no matter how much it is its mine, if i want to help other people or give it away, ITS MY COICE, not the govenment's.

AND CLITON WAS IMPEACHED!! WHAT FOR LOOK IT UP! DAMNIT THE ONLY REASON HE WASNT REMOVED FROM OFFICE WAS THE DEMOCRATS!!! WHY!!! BECAUSE HE WAS A DEOMCRAT? I DONT KNOW BUT IT ........ES ME OFF!

and anyone who believes he was impeached because of the affiar is an idiot, they don't impeach people for getting some ass, that was never the issue. EVER!

now as Sayeh i shall retire from this crap.

BTW: back on topic, clinton was a terrible president who nearly destroyed the country.

**Clyde** · 07-02-2002

"Wow, I actually agree with Clyde for once. Should I worry? "

Heh, congratualations, welcome to the logical side of life

"btw: more polution and global warming(which btw is a myth) is cause by a single volcano erruption than man can cause in 1000 years at his worst level... so shut it. that means we got another 970 years of waste!! "

Global warming is not a myth, and we have done far more than a single volcanic erruption, we have done so much that we have disrupted the co2 cycle.

"99.9999% of global warming effect can be attributed to solar changes or don't exist at all, you cannot take one friggen hot year and say its global warming! wtf is that about. "

No.... global warming effects can be attributed to the industrialisation that started in the 19th century.

**no-one** · 07-02-2002

well, as with most thing it depends on who you ask/believe...

most of the data i've seen leads me to believe otherwise... lets leave this at a difference of opinion eh?

Sayeh · 07-02-2002

OMG, I find it strange that the only factual material provided is what I've given you aside from my sarcasm regarding Hillary and Billary.

It's okay. It really is. I cast pearls, I don't really expect you to listen or learn any longer. You just don't care for my delivery so you question my words without really stopping to think about it. Fine. whatever.

And with all due respect mario, you can't even spell anarchist correctly. You don't even know the difference between det-cord and fuse. stop pretending.

If you are living in America, I suggest you go commit some felonious crime to get yourself arrested. I think you will get your eyes opened very widely about what a thin veneer of freedom people actually have. I also suggest you make friends with a few attorneys and learn a little bit more about the 'class a' and 'class b' citizenship that exists.

in fact, here is an example- I challenge each of you to determine just exactly why an attorney can tell a police officer to ****-off to his face, and you will be arrested for doing the same thing.

I don't know, maybe if you are beaten half to death just for trying to urinate while standing up, maybe then the light will start to dawn.

Ha ha...ha haha ahahahahaah...

**Sentaku senshi** · 07-02-2002

::Claps hands::, yippy yippy a brand new topic

This is going to be fun.

Ok now back to being serious

>Clinton was a liar, a thief, a cheat, an adulterer, a crook, and had 51 people _murdered_ (and that's _after_ he became president). Oh yeah, he also married Hillary. For her part, Hillary had a child named Chelsea, whose father was Vince Voster-- that's why he was waxed. I find it particularly interesting that the paperwork that proved that relationship existed was destroyed in the Murrah building before being publicized.<
Who did he have murdered? And don't tell me people inocent civilians, or people he did not let off death row.

>Every one of his speeches were a rereading of his previous speech-- all lies and filled with "what the public wants to hear"-- no substance or truth.<
Obivisly when you are trying to get your point acrose to mulitple audences you should only tell one of them but tell the rest about something else.

>Now, when you are old enough to get a good paying job, you can thank Clinton and his ilk because half your income (literally half of every paycheck you get) goes to the government. And to think, the Founding Fathers revolted (Boston Tea Party) over a fraction- penny tax.<
I see the guy whou can bearly aford bread should pay more taxes, so the person who has the good paying job can afford to buy a 4th lincon contenantal. Oh yea the founding fathers did not revolt because of the amount, the revolted because they had no representation. "No taxication without representation"

>Answer me this: Why should I be paying taxes for the public school system when I don't have a child in school any longer?<
Only people who can offerd school should go?

>Thanks to liberals, no one in America actually owns any property. It's rented or loaned. Now if you think I'm wrong, look at this:

If you don't pay your taxes, the Feds will came and take everything you own-- who really owns it? The Feds do.<

If someone does not pay there morgage there house can reposesed. Sorry but your taxes are just like any other bill, they need to get payed.

>Thanks to liberals, the Miranda was struck down. Most people are exposed to America Justice from what they see on TV-- I have news for you-- what you see on TV is based solely on California Law. It doesn't wokr that way anywwhere else in America. Thanks to liberals, police now no longer require search warrants. they can go and do and look anywhere they please.<

If that was true the ECUL (or somthing like that) would be taking major action.

>yes but not that much, about 40% of our tax money is squandered, or stolen or wasted or given away to people that will use it to kill us, and thats a lot. secondly anything but a flat tax is unfair. i work for the money no matter how much it is its mine, if i want to help other people or give it away, ITS MY COICE, not the govenment's.<
What you make is based on the Amount of Workers x company needs and what they can get. Second refer to my comment on taxes earler in response to Sayeh

>AND CLITON WAS IMPEACHED!! WHAT FOR LOOK IT UP! DAMNIT THE ONLY REASON HE WASNT REMOVED FROM OFFICE WAS THE DEMOCRATS!!! WHY!!! BECAUSE HE WAS A DEOMCRAT? I DONT KNOW BUT IT ........ES ME OFF!<
Plus some replucians that reilized he should not be removed.

>and anyone who believes he was impeached because of the affiar is an idiot, they don't impeach people for getting some ass, that was never the issue. EVER!<
LOL, haha haha. Wrong one of the reasons the republicans thought he should be impached was becauase of the Afair. The fact of the Matter is as an Affair is a civil suit and not a criminal one, he should have never been in court. It is just like if someone wanted to sue him for cutting down a tree on there property. That can wait till after his presidency was up.

**ygfperson** · 07-02-2002

Answer me this: Why should I be paying taxes for the public school system when I don't have a child in school any longer?

because you share the cost. that's what taxes are about: pooling the cost of running the country and the government beaurocracy, and scaling it so that those who can most afford to pay pay the most.

Thanks to liberals, no one in America actually owns any property. It's rented or loaned. Now if you think I'm wrong, look at this:

If you don't pay your taxes, the Feds will came and take everything you own-- who really owns it? The Feds do

what is your concept of ownership? do you own all the land down to the earth's core? do you have the right to let your property ruin someone elses? do you have the right to shoot tresspassers?

they don't own your property. they take it from you in compensation for not paying taxes.

Thanks to liberals, the Miranda was struck down. ... Thanks to liberals, police now no longer require search warrants. they can go and do and look anywhere they please

civil libertarians are liberals. they are also conservatives. isn't it amazing how two people who believe the same thing about something can vote differently?

If that was true the ECUL (or somthing like that) would be taking major action.

ACLU, and they always are

anything but a flat tax is unfair. i work for the money no matter how much it is its mine, if i want to help other people or give it away, ITS MY COICE, not the govenment's.

it's your 'coice', huh? you don't live in complete freedom. as you have subtley said, we are not free.

AND CLITON WAS IMPEACHED!! WHAT FOR LOOK IT UP! DAMNIT THE ONLY REASON HE WASNT REMOVED FROM OFFICE WAS THE DEMOCRATS!!! WHY!!! BECAUSE HE WAS A DEOMCRAT? I DONT KNOW BUT IT ........ES ME OFF!

a whole lot of things ........ you off...

clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice and lying under oath involving the affair. it is true that the democrats pretty much kept him in office. look at the big picture, though. WHY? he had sex with another woman, then lied about it. do you remove the fairly elected president from office because he slept with somebody?

the liberals of this country are not out to kill you slowly. they could care less. they want to make this country a better place to live. conservatives want to do the same thing, but they have a different idea on "better". if not anything else, please realize that neither the liberal view nor the conservative view is totally correct.