Thread: Another reason not to like every whining complaining country on the planet.

What's with the anti-America posts? I don't see a whole lot of posts saying we should go over and bomb Afhghanistan. I see a lot saying Osama Bin Laden should be caught but I agree with that - he killed over 6,000 people and destoryed the economic center of the world over politics. But how many people have actually lived in both countries. If there is one person on this board who has lived on both sides and seen fiorst hand the changes - post something here and you can post all the anti-America stuff you want. But if you haven't, what makes you qualified? I'd like to know.

Amen, mah G- Slice!

Actually, this issue of hating America was best shown on the Osama bin Laden edition of South Park.

As for those of you who seem born with this innate hatred of Uncle Sam and it's people; you're all a bunch of ****ing racists, and therefore no better than the Ku Klux Klan, the Nazis, or the white South Africans who imposed "Apartheid" on the country, or the Americans who passed the "Jim Crow" and segregation laws. Your rants make the world dumber, less tolerant, and overall a poopy place to live in. You criticize our American institutions such as McDonalds in your country, and even go so far as to threaten to burn them down (I'm looking your way, france), and you criticize our politics, and even our way of life; well maybe it's time you learned some new concepts such as tolerance, understanding, and the fact that not everybody likes to eat snails (looking your way again, france), as they will replace the obselete ignorance and blind hate. Hell, I learned all of this back in the second grade, so how's that for our so called "bad educational institutions?" I've yet to see most of you learn this

As for those of you in small countries who claim that you are the victim by us somehow, you make an awful lot of whining about it. For example, at my lovely job where I am a wage slave, I would much rather address the complaints of customers who have a cool attitude and understand that mistakes happen, rather than the cock that is *****ing to the manager for a rain check because we don't have enough of *item on the shelf* left to satisfy shopping needs. (On a tangent, what is the hell is up with "don't smash the bread?" People say it in a way that implies that my first ****ing intention was to throw twenty pounds of frozen meat on top of their single loaf!)

"well maybe it's time you learned some new concepts such as tolerance, understanding, "

That's rich.

The lack of those two qualities is why so many dislike the US. The US will not tolerate anything which is not in the US mould, and understands nothing that is different from US expectations.

You don't see the US "tolerating and understanding" anything that threatens US interests of whatever nature, "security" is the latest, but substitute "business", "wealth", "standard of living" or any of a dozen other things.

Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.

- Bush

Originally posted by Unregistered

That's rich.

The lack of those two qualities is why so many dislike the US. The US will not tolerate anything which is not in the US mould, and understands nothing that is different from US expectations.

You don't see the US "tolerating and understanding" anything that threatens US interests of whatever nature, "security" is the latest, but substitute "business", "wealth", "standard of living" or any of a dozen other things.

Well if you put it that way, then what you're saying is that the United States is the cause of every major humanitarian problem in history. The fall of Rome; the work of the US. The ploy to get India addicted to Opium and then create a demand for the stuff and jack prices up, causing a war; the United States. The Imprisonment of Gallileo, the Spanish Inquisition, the Martin Luther's diet of worms caused by religious discrimination; the United States. If you say it that way, then maybe you should look out the window, as your homeland might posess one of the "great satans" also. Riddle me this too: 90% of all the foreign people I've met have snubbed my hand when I greeted them, and did so with a pitiful sneer.

As for that "business", "wealth", and "standard of living" statement, it's called capitalism, live with it, you don't have to do trade with us. Just look at the Japanese, they screw over anybody trying to export to their country.

"He who has never sinned shall cast the first stone" is what some religious guy once said.

Sure that's what every American wanted to hear. But it's true. If you're with America, then what happened was wrong. DUH. YOu don't go slam into buildings with airliners and kill thousands of people. If you're not with America, you think it was right. Isn't that what the terrorists thought?

"every major humanitarian problem in history"

I didn't say that, you did. Of course the US is not the course of everything - I said, one reason so many people get fed up with the US is the insular, hypocritical self interest they exhibit in there deelings with the rest of the world. Kyoto? No, may damage the standard of living in the US, heavens, we may have to drive more energy efficient cars, whatever next?

"As for that "business", "wealth", and "standard of living" statement, it's called capitalism,"

Hmm, another example, and as you comment on Japan, you may like to loog at the list of countries supporting the EU...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/bus...00/2036010.stm

>Perhaps it's a good time to mention that it was a publicity ploy.
>That's what every american wanted to hear at the moment of
>great anger.

Yes, I can understand that reaction, but one can wonder if it is right to play with people's emotions. Which it is, they knew how people felt and used that. Such is always very dangerous.

>If you're with America, then what happened was wrong. DUH.
>YOu don't go slam into buildings with airliners and kill thousands
>of people. If you're not with America, you think it was right. Isn't
>that what the terrorists thought?

I don't know what such people think, I can imagine that the Arabic people back home think such. But I'm sure the terrorists themselves, Bin Laden in special, think a level higher. This is just one step in a process, which is setting up the Arabic world against the western world.

>Kyoto? No, may damage the standard of living in the US,
>heavens, we may have to drive more energy efficient cars,
>whatever next?

It are the big companies which have strong influence on politics. Also in Europe we have that problem. Just take the example of the Waddensea, a national park, in the Netherlands. The former government blocked gaining oil and gas in the Waddensea, researchers found out that gaining oil and gas would have negative influence on the nature. But now, the current government has allowed gaining oil and gas on small scale. The oil and gas companies were laughing and having a party, I suspect them from having influenced the politics.

It are also the big companies who decide where work will be or not. If they remove large factories, then a lot of people will have no work, which means that the amount of money in a region will decrease a lot. If the government wants the factory to stay because of the work for the people, than it has to give the companies something in some way.

And there are many more examples of the companies influencing politics. So I wouldn't be surprised if the "No" of the US against Kyoto is an initiative of the big American companies.

Originally posted by Shiro


And there are many more examples of the companies influencing politics. So I wouldn't be surprised if the "No" of the US against Kyoto is an initiative of the big American companies.

Absolutly. Bush is a puppet, a marionette controlled by the corportate america. The Congress men and the Senators get there campaign funding from corporations. They will not bite the hand that is feeding them. I think it is pretty clear the democracy as it was intended doesn't work well in any part of the western world.

1. Screwing us over with "free trade"

At the same time as they're whining about us supposedly subsidising logging (which is false, and were fighting it in NAFTA and WTO) President Bush goes and gives billions of dollars to the already heavily subsidised farm industry. Meanwhile, California is passing legislation to penalise companies that make movies or commercials in Canada. At the same time, we're expected to allow oil pipelines to be built through our country to supply the US. In fact, the whole FTA was concocted by our "esteemed" former PM Brian Mulroney to give Americans unlimited access to the Candian economy even though under the GTA we already had free trade. This has resulted in the situation today where America owns 80% of Canadian industry. (And if you don't hink this was intentional, his reward is to sit on the boards of large american companies.) Included in NAFTA is a clause that prohibits any government from passing any law that would infringe on a company's profits. This includes banning potentially dangerous substances.

2. The "Cold Shoulder"

Canadians are always expected to do whatever the Americans say, after all, we don't want to be "against them". But as our reward, we get ignored. For example, in his post 11th speech, why did the president manage to thank just about every single nation except for canada? (Even though Canada was the nation who took the risk of more terrorism by accepting all the diverted flights.) Later, after an American pilot bombed and killed 4 Canadian soldiers and wounded dozens of others, this wasn't even worth mentioning except in passing for like two days.

3. Threats to Canadian Sovereignty

- In the cold war, American Lieutenants would take command of Canadian military bases in Canada when there was threat of war.

- The "National Treatment Clause" gives equal rights to American investors as canadian citizens.

- "The day the FTA was signed on October 3, 1987, U.S. trade representative Clayton Yeutter, let slip this observation. "We've signed a stunning new trade pact with Canada. The Canadians don't understand what they've signed. In twenty years, they will be sucked into the U.S. economy."

- Canada loses the ability to manage its own resources: "Sun Belt Water Corporation of California is suing us for US$1.5 to $10.5 billion because we won't let it sell our water for export. ", or of course, the softwood lumber.

if canada wants to become more fully sovereign and in full control of itself, its citizens need to act more canadian. america is a melting pot; canada is a patchwork quilt. there was a vote for quebec to suceed from Canada and form its own nation. if a state in america did that we would not allow it.

american politics doesn't take into account other countries' needs. there is an assumption that we don't make an impact upon the world unless we want to. our government tries to back away from the world arena while our corporations are globalizing it. its a see-no-evil, hear-no-evil, and speak-no-evil relationship.

that's one of the problems. who can be held accountable for our corporations doing legitamite business? surely you can't prosecute every american corporation for doing business (and therefore, americanizing) with the world. it's assumed that mcdonalds will pay for its own mistakes, and intel corp will pay for its own mistakes, and so on.

american power keeps moving up because no one is willing to stop it. why does it matter that we're sucking up canada? we haven't militarily invaded canada. we haven't imposed economic sanctions; in fact, we're opening our markets to them. is it our fault that the sharing of cultures favors america?

foreign peoples hate us because our culture is extending everywhere. but what have they done to stop it? economic sanctions are costly and stifle people's rights. military power is not feasable, especially against a power our size.

capitalism shares cultures by sharing trinkets of that culture. who doesn't think of america when they see a pizza hut, burger of any kind, or a movie?

face it: americans like their culture. they thrive in it. being american is being competitive, outspoken, and free. when you exchange these cultural properties with canada's weird accent, lesser drug laws, and free medical care, which one looks like it's going to win? our culture is based on love of freedom, however distorted the real picture is. can you say something as strong about canada? india? germany? england? scotland? australia? italy? south africa?

our culture overpowers canada's culture because, simply, ours is stronger. say what you want about the supposed evils of this, but that isn't going to change anything.

Originally posted by Sean
What's with the anti-America posts? I don't see a whole lot of posts saying we should go over and bomb Afhghanistan. I see a lot saying Osama Bin Laden should be caught but I agree with that - he killed over 6,000 people and destoryed the economic center of the world over politics. But how many people have actually lived in both countries. If there is one person on this board who has lived on both sides and seen fiorst hand the changes - post something here and you can post all the anti-America stuff you want. But if you haven't, what makes you qualified? I'd like to know.

i would like to remind you that the very same week in africa 7,000 people where killed during a massive mudslide... how many of you americans heard about this?