Another reason not to like every whining complaining country on the planet.

canada ownz · 06-10-2002

we haven't imposed economic sanctions

what would you call the softwood lumber dutie increase?

**novacain** · 06-10-2002

I don't know why I am responding to this. I am sick of arguing with 14 year olds who think they have seen the world. (And understand it)

>>If there is one person on this board who has lived on both sides and seen fiorst hand the changes

I don’t think that anyone in Afghanistan has internet access and a working PC. Remember, we have dropped US$6.4bill of bombs on them killing thousands.

Try looking up the CIA papers into the USSR v's Afghanistan+US war. You might be shocked at what you find out. (I won't bother quoting as you will not believe me, look for yourself who armed and trained OBL)

>>you don't have to do trade with us.

We just have to live in the world where you pay your farmers to produce crops no one wants then dump them on the world market at 20% below production costs.

How do you think that affects world prices. What happens to subsistence farmers in developing countries when the cost of their major comodities drops below production?

We just have to live in the world where you refuse to modernise your manufacturing and heavy industries as it would cost money, pity it is costing the rest of us the environment.

We just have to live in the world where the US put protections including quotas, tariffs, export incentives and subsidies on your items then tell us, in Australia, off for having quarantine laws. Then Bush and 'Armbuster' (your free trade rep) go round bragging how for 'free trade you are'.

How do you think we feel when one month the US demands the use of our SAS for Afghanistan, our ports for your nuke shipping and then puts 30% tariff on our steel and stops us selling lamb, beef, sugar and wheat to the US with quotas?

Capitalism is the best product at the lowest price will survive the market forces.

The US is not capitalist, it is protectionist.

**ygfperson** · 06-10-2002

The US is not capitalist, it is protectionist.

what can you do about it?

Unregistered · 06-10-2002

Originally posted by ygfperson
what can you do about it?

hmmmm i thinks its time for canada to place an export tax for oil & gas to the us now wouldnt that just be hilarious seeing bush squirm and talka bout drilling alaska and hearing all the moning and groaning about unfair trade practises

well wake up you subsidize your farmers and you protect your softwood industrie which might i remind you has lost its case 3 times in international court! but does the us listen? no the us thinks its above the law! the us's trade policy is hypocritical and goes completly against the "american" ideals

**Scourfish** · 06-11-2002

While you go around claiming to be bullied by the Superpower of the world, you seem to spend most of your time like a preppy high school girl: whining your socks off.

Can I say that I agree with everything my country does? No. Still, I resent the fact that you call my part of the world a bad place. I live in that part of the world; I work to make the rent; I keep my part of the world a tolerant place. And then I get a bunch of random people to whom I personally have no quarrel with nor have I barely met who decide to ***** and moan about my land. Sometimes, it seems that some of you spend so much time focusing on our faults that you fail to see your own. For example, I was at the grocery checkout, and some Brit I was bagging groceries for called me a "stupid ****in american.*" Except for the white trash known as the "KKK", all of us were taught something known as respect, and we don't go around saying "that ****ing brit" or "those goddamned dutch." So don't say that "you hate america," 'cause that misrepresents me; It misrepresents my family, it misreperesents my friends. If you're going to get ........y about something, then don't give me this "America Sucks" caca. If you really need to rant, then why don't you state "I have a problem situation 'X' going on in America." Because saying that my whole country sucks means saying that I suck, and then it get's personal.

*So, afta dis here guy left da swapmeet, muh ma ****in homies Scott an' Big Mac took followed dis here guy into da parking lot an' preceded ta explain ta him dat we's don' personally hate him, so he don' gots ta unreasonably hate us. Afterwards, he sneered at me an' tried ta punch me. Still, I turned da other cheek an' left him. I hope one day he will see da truth about da human race as uh whole an' not just from uh racist mindset. Ya' dig?

**adrianxw** · 06-11-2002

>>>
and we don't go around saying "that ****ing brit" or "those goddamned dutch."
<<<

You cannot know that, you can only state that you don't. In addition to my primary career, I have also worked behind the bar in pubs/bars at home, in England and Holland, and I can assure you that there are examples of the US citizen that fully fall into that category, and more than one.

**-KEN-** · 06-11-2002

So how about we all just admit that it took all of this fighting with eachother to prove that there are stupid people on this planet.

Wow. The things you learn.

**Sunny** · 06-11-2002

Sure a lot of ppl hate the US, and a lot of Us ppl hate the rest of the world. So what? We shoud remove all prejudices and see that in the end we are all part of a GLobal Community. White or Black, Red or Yellow we are all humans and interact with each other all the time.
After returning to the US from Africa, I was literally shocked at the high intensity of racism. America! Who should be a leading example to the world because it is entirely based on freedom and democracy and the so called tolerance...Do you peolpe think? It's is so easy to mutter out words and yell at each other, but about your lives...what do you do about it to improve each other and the world that surrounds it ?
Why don't you people wake up and smell the fresh coffe! What are the real problems that we are facing today? Global warming, for example. We are currently using 10 terrawats of energy to fuel this world. By the time our grandchildren will be born, the world will need about 30! Not 15, 19...30!!! What are we going to do? Keep goin on yapping at each other until this whole world turns into one big dump yard??? Hey, I'm not saying global warming is THE issue here. But, it would be nice if you'd open your eyes and see what's going on around you...

Jeeeessssh.

Stef

**mike_k** · 06-11-2002

Speaking of racism...

How about putting our country's flag on the dressing room floor in the Olympics?

**Shiro** · 06-11-2002

>What are the real problems that we are facing today? Global warming, for example.

Just another example. Thousands of people in Africa suffer each day from the aids, hunger and war. Each day hundreds, perhaps thousands, of little children in the world die because of the same reasons. That's a real problem.

**mike_k** · 06-11-2002

You don't think 50,000 families in BC losing their jobs to American protectionism is a "real problem"?

**novacain** · 06-11-2002

>>what can you do about it?

Its not my country that people want to destroy, bomb and terrorise.

Its not my country that has uneconomic industries that you the tax payer have to prop up.

Its not my countries tourists that will suffer, be descriminated against, be murdered or kidnapped.

Its not my country that will have to deal with the 225,000 children currently in the 2500 madrassahs (religious boarding schools) in China, Pakistan ect being taught that the Urdu letter jeem stands for jihad; tay for tope (cannon), kaaf for Kalashnikov and khay for khoon (blood).

It could be my country that evicts US spy bases (ie Pine Gap) destroying your network.

It could be my country that refuses your ships entry to our ports as New Zealand has.

It will be my country that takes the US to the WTO unless we get the free trade agreement we are seeking. (Don't pay attention to J Howard, his time is up, the lying little sycophant)

"What was more important in the world view of history, the Taliban or the fall of the Soviet empire? A few stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of central Europe and the end of the Cold War?"
former US secretary of state, Zbigniew Brezinski

Try explaining that to the survivors in New York and Washington.

**Sentaku senshi** · 06-11-2002

>Try looking up the CIA papers into the USSR v's Afghanistan+US war. You might be shocked at what you find out. (I won't bother quoting as you will not believe me, look for yourself who armed and trained OBL)<

I knew that already it was a major topic on the news following 9/11. Saying that because we helped the afginistans fight against the soviet union and a few of them and start atacking the west were responsible. Who is responsible if you were to teach someone how to program and then they decided to use there information not for good but to create a viris that caused your computer to over heat?

**Scourfish** · 06-11-2002

Aw come on, people, I know you all love me; besides, reading this would be helpful for everbody:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html

**Scourfish** · 06-11-2002

"If a person outside of American culture is a hateful person, they may actively hate and verbally attack America. If the person takes this to include a hatred of American's themselves, they are foolish and inconsiderate and have become a fool. If a person like this is brought up by people with vested interests in attacking America (and there are many), a person can be driven to take his opinions to a violent level. It is of utmost importance that we do not blame "Islam" or "Afghanistan" as a concept for the actions of such people, in the same way you would not blame all North American's because some American companies openly fund the IRA. Generic hatred is not solved or soothed by adding more layers of hatred."

-Vexen Crabtree